Photo shop pc

[KMKSKYELAR]

2 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

Wait. WHY INTEL

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	Gigabyte B550M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$94.00 @ Best Buy
Memory	Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory	$102.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$59.99 @ B&H
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card	$169.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case	$47.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	SeaSonic S12III 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$54.99 @ Best Buy
Monitor	Dell UltraSharp U3419W 34.1" 3440x1440 60 Hz Monitor	$719.99 @ Dell
Keyboard	Microsoft LXM-00001 Wired Ergonomic Keyboard	$47.95 @ Amazon
Mouse	Logitech G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse	$27.99 @ Best Buy
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1500.86
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-10 17:23 EDT-0400

 

It doesnt have to be intell. Im trying to build it for a close family friend, and they where told to get a i7 from the instructor

[Skipple]

4 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

I mean, sure, if you want to spend over double on cpu

yeah and one has a boost clock of 4.2ghz and the other 4.8ghz. 

What's your point. 

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, Skipple said:

yeah and one has a boost clock of 4.2ghz and the other 4.8ghz. 

What's your point. 

On the artical the 3600 beats a 10600k on premier pro,  photoshop, and after effects. Read it next time.

[Skipple]

1 minute ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

@Skipple On the artical the 3600 beats a 10600k on premier pro,  photoshop, and after effects.

  

20 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Yeah, absolutely. I have no idea what the "puget systems benchmark" is or what it's testing. 

 

 

What does that mean. I have no idea what these scores mean. 

[LienusLateTips]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($182.00 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  ($37.99 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490 UD ATX LGA1200 Motherboard  ($134.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($46.00 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Silicon Power A80 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB OC Video Card  ($159.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR600 (w/o ODD) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($69.90 @ B&H) 
Monitor: Asus VA27EHE 27.0" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor  ($153.98 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Velocifire TKL78 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($29.99 @ Amazon) 
Mouse: Redragon Centrophorus M601 Wired Optical Mouse  ($16.98 @ Amazon) 
Total: $971.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-10 17:32 EDT-0400

 

Some build notes:

-Because of Adobe's forever relationship with Intel, you're much better off with a 10400 over the 3600 for AdobeSuite performance. I would know, I own both and work with Adobe Suite daily (although as an amateur). The 10400 is basically a rebranded i7-8700.

-Hyper 212 Black looks nice and is cheap, pretty quiet

-Z490 UD is better than other boards in this price range and supports full DDR4 support, improving performance by up to 15% over non-Z490 boards.

-16GB of RAM should be enough but is pretty cheap to upgrade. If you do, remember to get 3000MHz+

-512GB of fast SSD storage WITH DRAM CACHE. Important for productivity.

-Feel free to get something like a 2TB HDD. The Barracuda 7200RPM is a great value.

-Case allows for lots of airflow reducing fan speed. Great design and minimalist with not too much RGB.

-Quiet and high quality PSU, 80+ Gold and 500W, more than enough for an upgrade.

-1650Super for CUDA Acceleration. You don't need much more and it'll do fine for gaming too.

-Decent monitor, 75hz and IPS 27". Colour accurate for photoshop.

-Brown switches for nice feel while remaining quiet.

-Decent mouse.

[Skipple]

@TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp The only information I have been able to find of how they actually achieve that singular number is this chart: 

 

 

Which DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE 3600x

[Haro]

1 hour ago, KMKSKYELAR said:

500-1000 USD

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor	$182.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports CPU Cooler	$36.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI Z490-A PRO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard	$159.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	$62.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$54.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card	$169.99 @ B&H
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	$58.98 @ B&H
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 11 500 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply	$69.90 @ B&H
Monitor	BenQ BL2420PT 23.8" 2560x1440 60 Hz Monitor	$229.00 @ B&H
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1094.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-08-10 17:48 EDT-0400

Slightly over budget. But you could remove the HDD or get a 1650. 

Or go with either @Mateyyy's or @LienusLateTips's lists. 

23 minutes ago, TheTechWizardThatNeedsHelp said:

RYZEN. 

It seems like you just recommend ryzen without knowing that there's more to a cpu than core count and price. 

[The Torrent]

9 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

 

somehow formatting broke on my phone ignore this strange space in the quote please until I’m on my pc

Or  @MateyyyIt seems like you just recommend ryzen without knowing that there's more to a cpu than core count and price. 

I mean if u care about security and don’t want to be subject to ur cpu under constant security breaches from poor firmware to hardware exploits then I would always go ryzen.

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, The Torrent said:

I mean if u care about security and don’t want to be subject to ur cpu under constant security breaches from poor firmware to hardware exploits then I would always go ryzen.

Comet Lake has all up to date security patches for Intel based computers. 

[Elisis]

2 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

I mean if u care about security and don’t want to be subject to ur cpu under constant security breaches from poor firmware to hardware exploits then I would always go ryzen.

Uh, since when did consumers care about such vulnerabilities? Consumers don't matter to anyone with the resources to target people.

[The Torrent]

2 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

If you actually know how Spectre and meltdown work. You'll know that the chances for a causal user to he affected by it, is little to non. 

For now. I’m sure some dude is sitting in his room right now revising and finding ways to make new viruses thwt work off the same exploits. Every exploit is still in fact, an exploit. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10. Eventually.

[The Torrent]

3 minutes ago, Elisis said:

Uh, since when did consumers care about such vulnerabilities? Consumers don't matter to anyone with the resources to target people.

We are consumers yet we care about vulnerabilities.

the target for this post is the op, and for him to be posting in LTT forums means he is one of us.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, The Torrent said:

For now. I’m sure some dude is sitting in his room right now revising and finding ways to make new viruses thwt work off the same exploits. Every exploit is still in fact, an exploit. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10. Eventually.

Spectre and Meltdown are pretty much exclusively used to target the big guys. Corporations, etc. It's not worth spending the time to hack into someone's computer just for their credit card, which may even already be maxed out.

[Elisis]

Woah, would you look at that! Puget doesn't test 3600 against other Zen2 and Comet Lake CPUs.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, The Torrent said:

We are consumers yet we care about vulnerabilities.

the target for this post is the op, and for him to be posting in LTT forums means he is one of us.

It doesn't matter though. Maybe you live in a place where there's a lot of middle income, poor people. And then there's a couple rich people. And recently there's been a string of robberies, and only targeting the ultra-wealthy. Most people won't really need to care.

[Elisis]

5 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

For now. I’m sure some dude is sitting in his room right now revising and finding ways to make new viruses thwt work off the same exploits. Every exploit is still in fact, an exploit. Maybe 5 years, maybe 10. Eventually.

Do you even know what these exploits do? You clearly don't, going by this message...

[Mateyyy]

14 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

I mean if u care about security and don’t want to be subject to ur cpu under constant security breaches from poor firmware to hardware exploits then I would always go ryzen.

Just in case you've got the impression that someone cares enough about your data to actually try and exploit their way into your system:

 

Either way, this thread seems to be going places.

I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show I guess.

[The Torrent]

4 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Just in case you've got the impression that someone cares enough about your data to actually try and exploit their way into your system:

 

Either way, this thread seems to be going places.

I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show I guess.

Is that dark mode? How’d you do that?

[LienusLateTips]

7 minutes ago, The Torrent said:

Is that dark mode? How’d you do that?

If you scroll to the bottom, select "THEME", you can select "NIGHT THEME 2.1" as an option.

[Mateyyy]

Now that, thankfully, the dust has settled - HUB actually has a video comparing the 10400 and 3600 head to head. Incidentally, they also tested Photoshop:

The 3600 beats the 10400 by a notable 8% margin (both were running with 3200MHz memory, the 2666MHz figure is to simulate the 10400 running with B and H series motherboards, since those limit the memory speed to 2666/2933MHz, oh Intel).

 

Now, I don't know whether Adobe very recently added in some really hefty optimisations for AMD or it's just that this specific benchmark (note that it's apparently the same benchmark project used by Puget) possibly favours Zen 2 in some way, maybe its better floating point performance (HDR in Photoshop if I'm not mistaken is quite FPU heavy), but at least according to this, it'd take a 10600 to beat the 3600.

 

I reckon the more likely scenario is the latter, since I or others would've probably heard if Adobe released a massive optimisation patch for Ryzen, but it's still an interesting find imo.

[Skipple]

11 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Now that, thankfully, the dust has settled - HUB actually has a video comparing the 10400 and 3600 head to head. Incidentally, they also tested Photoshop:

The 3600 beats the 10400 by a notable 8% margin (both were running with 3200MHz memory, the 2666MHz figure is to simulate the 10400 running with B and H series motherboards, since those limit the memory speed to 2666/2933MHz, oh Intel).

 

Now, I don't know whether Adobe very recently added in some really hefty optimisations for AMD or it's just that this specific benchmark (note that it's apparently the same benchmark project used by Puget) possibly favours Zen 2 in some way, maybe its better floating point performance (HDR in Photoshop if I'm not mistaken is quite FPU heavy), but at least according to this, it'd take a 10600 to beat the 3600.

 

I reckon the more likely scenario is the latter, since I or others would've probably heard if Adobe released a massive optimisation patch for Ryzen, but it's still an interesting find imo.

The biggest thing I got from this is the benefit of high speed memory on Intel. I would have never guessed that 2666 -> 3200 would lead to a ~10% performance increase. I know that's the case for Ryzen, but I always thought it was less important w/ Coffee Lake.

 

Makes Intel's move to lock memory speed on non-Z chipsets even more perplexing. 

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, Skipple said:

The biggest thing I got from this is the benefit of high speed memory on Intel. I would have never guessed that 2666 -> 3200 would lead to a ~10% performance increase. I know that's the case for Ryzen, but I always thought it was less important w/ Coffee Lake.

 

Makes Intel's move to lock memory speed on non-Z chipsets even more perplexing. 

I'm inclined in saying Kaby Lake, but at least ever since Coffee Lake memory speed really has been making a difference, despite some people often saying that memory speed doesn't matter on Intel - that's just not the case.

 

I know, they've been doing this for years but honestly, especially considering the position they're in at the moment, it's really time to get rid of this soft locking faster memory on cheaper boards. It's not like that'll make people pair i9s and 5000MHz memory kits with $60 motherboards so they're losing money or anything.

[LogicalDrm]

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@KMKSKYELAR

Feel free to repost this if you feel like you need more suggestions. As such this thread has two derailling tangents which are more or less irrelevant for the OP. I've cleaned one, and will be in contact with those who participated to discuss it further. I've left another in to prove how pointless it is to subject.