What RTX 2070 Super should I buy?

[DrSkull20]

Hi, I am thinking of getting an RTX 2070 Super and I was wondering which model to get?

I have been looking at the:

- MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio - it is too big for my case

- MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X - cheaper, but only 2 fans compared to the others, with 3.

- Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2070 Super- heard reviews saying that the rgb / fans died.

- ASUS ROG RTX 2070 Super OC - quite expensive, but if it is the best one, I'll get it.

Which one do you think I should get? If you think of another, it requires to have 3 display ports. - 2 for monitors and 1 for Oculus Rift-S.

Thanks. :)

[5x5]

Cheapest one you can find, the 2070S is very poor value since the 5700 XT delivers similar performance for a lot less money

[Niklos]

9 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Cheapest one you can find, the 2070S is very poor value since the 5700 XT delivers similar performance for a lot less money

Well, you forgot to say that the 5700XT has some driver problem, is making much more heat and noise... And that the 2070s is 10% faster than the 5700 and has 25% stronger 1% low result.

So I would say that the 5700XT has a really poor value overall and that the 2070s is the best choice between those 2.

@DrSkull20 I have a Zotac one and it is a pretty good choice while being also the cheapest 2070S (well, was the cheapest choice when I bought it)

[5x5]

1 hour ago, Niklos said:

Well, you forgot to say that the 5700XT has some driver problem, is making much more heat and noise... And that the 2070s is 10% faster than the 5700 and has 25% stronger 1% low result.

So I would say that the 5700XT has a really poor value overall and that the 2070s is the best choice between those 2.

@DrSkull20 I have a Zotac one and it is a pretty good choice while being also the cheapest 2070S (well, was the cheapest choice when I bought it)

That's factually incorrect. Please do not mislead people. The driver issues were several months ago and do not exist currently. Secondly, the 2070S uses the same amount of power and produces the same amount of heat as the 5700 XT. So you're lying. Again.

Lastly, performance is nigh identical. I don't get where you got your magical 10% number from but it's 1-2% in most cases

[5x5]

1 hour ago, DrSkull20 said:

Hi, I am thinking of getting an RTX 2070 Super and I was wondering which model to get?

I have been looking at the:

- MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio - it is too big for my case

- MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X - cheaper, but only 2 fans compared to the others, with 3.

- Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2070 Super- heard reviews saying that the rgb / fans died.

- ASUS ROG RTX 2070 Super OC - quite expensive, but if it is the best one, I'll get it.

Which one do you think I should get? If you think of another, it requires to have 3 display ports. - 2 for monitors and 1 for Oculus Rift-S.

Thanks.

Read reviews and look at trusted sources like Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, Anandtech and etc. Else, you'll get lied to and mislead into a poor option like a mini cooler 2070S which ends up running louder and hotter than most other models, including the Founders Edition stock one. THat's my advice. Read reviews and look at trusted information sources, do NOT blindly trust any of us (me included)

[Niklos]

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Lastly, performance is nigh identical. I don't get where you got your magical 10% number from but it's 1-2% in most cases

You should read whatever comes with the chart you are showing... Here it :

As expected the GeForce RTX 2070 Super is the more powerful GPU though it was only faster by a ~10% margin

 

Then, please, don't make me say whatever I never said... 

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Secondly, the 2070S uses the same amount of power

True fact. Did I ever said that was wrong ? No. I did only say that it was running cooling and with less noise. That is it.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz/ultra/ultra/-vs-

 

10°C cooler for the NVidia and 8.4dB less (so the AMD is almost twice as loud as the Nvidia is.)

 

lastly, I totaly agree with you on that part :

1 hour ago, 5x5 said:

Read reviews and look at trusted sources like Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus, Anandtech and etc. Else, you'll get lied to and mislead into a poor option like a mini cooler 2070S which ends up running louder and hotter than most other models, including the Founders Edition stock one. THat's my advice. Read reviews and look at trusted information sources, do NOT blindly trust any of us (me included)

But, as far as I can tell, @DrSkull20 is not considering any poor options like a mini cooler 2070S...

[5x5]

1 hour ago, Niklos said:

You should read whatever comes with the chart you are showing... Here it :

As expected the GeForce RTX 2070 Super is the more powerful GPU though it was only faster by a ~10% margin

 

Then, please, don't make me say whatever I never said... 

True fact. Did I ever said that was wrong ? No. I did only say that it was running cooling and with less noise. That is it.

https://www.gpucheck.com/en-usd/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-super-vs-amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz-vs-intel-core-i7-8700k-3-70ghz/ultra/ultra/-vs-

 

10°C cooler for the NVidia and 8.4dB less (so the AMD is almost twice as loud as the Nvidia is.)

 

lastly, I totaly agree with you on that part :

But, as far as I can tell, @DrSkull20 is not considering any poor options like a mini cooler 2070S...

You do realize that heat and power draw are closely related. That comparison of thermals you pointed is moot as the cooler on the two is VASTLY different. A 2070S and 5700 XT produce the same amount of heat, it's just down to which cooler is being used that determines noise and thermals. So again, you are misrepresenting the truth for dishonest ends.

 

As for performance, that's after Forza was not counted. Hence the chart clearly stating that using the full test suite, the performance is nigh identical. Especially with modern drivers that have optimized and improved performance further as those are older release numbers. Again, please do not be dishonest when you are telling someone how to spend their money. I realize you like your 2070S, I also like my 970 but I don't lie to people

[Niklos]

14 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

You do realize that heat and power draw are closely related.

Well no. It actually depends of efficiency. You may have more Joule effect on one than on the other. So definitly NO.

edit : and actually as they both draw the same amount of power and as the 2070s is giving you a better framerate, it really makes sence that is has to desipate less power so that it makes less heat.

14 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Again, please do not be dishonest when you are telling someone how to spend their money. I realize you like your 2070S, I also like my 970 but I don't lie to people

Well, I don't think I am liing to people. That's my point of view and I stick to it. And guess what, I am not the kind of person that say "don't do I do but as I say". I actually have a 2070S and I am really really happy of my choice. I believe I could not have make a better purshase with the money I had when I bought it.

[Mateyyy]

The Gaming X cooler should be good enough for a 2070S I would imagine, so I think you'd be good with that, especially if it's less expensive than the other options. If the Strix is much more expensive then I'm not sure that it'd be worth going for it.

[Niklos]

I don't know in what country you live @DrSkull20 but in mine, the Palit GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GamingPro is the cheapest 2070S and I think it is a really good deal. I actualy would pick that model if I wanted to buy a 2070S right now where I live.

[5x5]

16 minutes ago, Niklos said:

Well no. It actually depends of efficiency. You may have more Joule effect on one than on the other. So definitly NO.

edit : and actually as they both draw the same amount of power and as the 2070s is giving you a better framerate, it really makes sence that is has to desipate less power so that it makes less heat.

Well, I don't think I am liing to people. That's my point of view and I stick to it. And guess what, I am not the kind of person that say "don't do I do but as I say". I actually have a 2070S and I am really really happy of my choice. I believe I could not have make a better purshase with the money I had when I bought it.

That's not what efficiency means. Efficiency is how much work is done per consumed units of power. So while the 2070S is slightly more efficient, it still outputs the same amount of heat as the 5700 XT. heat is calculated based on the formula H = I²Rt where "H" is the heat, "I" is the power intensity, "t" is time and "R" is resistance of the circuits. If you cross-reference with the formula for Intensity (I=V/R) then you have a direct relation between power draw (Amps) and heat output (Watts). So no, you are not correct. While it's not an exact match, the Heat Output is most strongly connected to the power used and therefore output as heat. The reason why your source quotes the 2070S running cooler is that the specific model they looked at has a much bigger heatsink and thus more surface area to spread the heat and dissipate it. Laws of physics, friend. As far as the GPU core is concerned, the 2070S and 5700 XT produce the same volume of heat but spread in different ways and by different means. So a good 5700 XT cooler, such as the Red Devil, easily runs cooler than some 2070S models while also being quieter. This does NOT mean the 5700 XT is more efficient, it means the PowerColor cooler is good.

 

As for performance, the 5700 XT delivers 98% of the 2070S' performance at a lower price tag - that's why I mentioned it in the first place. It's a better value. It doesn't make the 2070S perform poorly it means the 2070S carries a price premium in the absolute same way my 970 carried a price premium over a 290 or 390 way back when.

[Niklos]

Whetever dude. I actually don't care ^^. I would not pick this AMD card over this NVidia card even at $100 less.

@DrSkull20 has everything he needs to make his choice. 

[GreyestGoat]

The 2070s is a fine GPU, this nonsense about the 5700-XT is annoying.

[Gohardgrandpa]

I have a sapphire pulse 5700xt and have 0 issues with it. I got it after they put out the driver fix and everything has been great. 
 

I looked at getting a rtx2070 super but couldn’t justify spending 25% more for 10% max performance increase. 
 

The amd cards are coming with resident evil 3, monster hunter world and 3 months of game pass for pc right now. That also sealed the deal for me as I was gonna buy resident evil anyways 

[DrSkull20]

Hi, thanks for responding!

I think I'll choose the MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X (Not trio) as everyone is saying to get the cheapest one. I currently have an MSI GTX 1660Ti Gaming X, so I think this is the best cheaper one.

Didn't mean to start a war between 2070 S and 5700 XT.

Thanks

[BlackManINC]

@DrSkull20

 

About the RX 5700XT, as others have said, Nvidia is charging you $100 more for largely the same performance, and the driver issues were recently addressed in an update. The video below benchmarks the two cards at 1440P. Its your money so its your choice in the end, just don't let the Nvidia fan boys bamboozle you into believing the RTX 2070S is better, it isn't. AMD is doing a damn fine job competing with Nvidia's mid to high end graphics cards, and they are planning on doing the same at the higher end soon with the upcoming RDNA 2 GPU's. 

 

RX 5700 XT vs. RTX 2070 Super:

 

[Yuvraj Mann]

sapphire pulse rx 5700 owner here, no matter what i tried the black screen issue remains for me, it's so annoying, how you are working oj something important and boom black screen which requires restart, and the rtx series is just slightly expensive where i come from. at first i thought let's wait few months it'll be fine but using this since December the BLACK SCREEN issues remains. if i sell the card i would get only 50% of the value. 

 

i never used Nvidia card before, been using amd cards for about 6 years now, never had issue like this before with amd, amd disappointed many fans. 

[BlackManINC]

3 minutes ago, Yuvraj Mann said:

sapphire pulse rx 5700 owner here, no matter what i tried the black screen issue remains for me, it's so annoying, how you are working oj something important and boom black screen which requires restart, and the rtx series is just slightly expensive where i come from. at first i thought let's wait few months it'll be fine but using this since December the BLACK SCREEN issues remains. if i sell the card i would get only 50% of the value. 

 

i never used Nvidia card before, been using amd cards for about 6 years now, never had issue like this before with amd, amd disappointed many fans. 

Switch to an RX 5700 (non XT version) or an RX 5600XT. The RX 5700XT is a piece of shit. I think the real issue with it that AMD won't ever admit is that its pushing the RDNA architecture to its absolute limits, making it crash, blackout the screen, etc. I wouldn't even touch an RX 5700XT with a cattle prod.

[ExplodingRubber]

On 4/14/2020 at 4:15 AM, 5x5 said:

Cheapest one you can find, the 2070S is very poor value since the 5700 XT delivers similar performance for a lot less money

The Sapphire Radeon 5700XT I purchased in April 2020 still suffered from black screens, BSOD, etc. with a fresh Windows install on all new hardware. All of my issues were resolved when replacing the Sapphire card with an EVGA 2070 Super. 

 

As a huge fan of AMD and they have done to disrupt the market, I was very disappointed that I received a card that was essentially DOA

 

It is entirely possible that I got a bad card, but for peace-of-mind and reliability, I will stick with over-priced (but working) Nvidia cards moving forward

Edited June 7, 2020 by ExplodingRubber
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[SavageNeo]

i've never had any driver issues myself. my firends had some but they are mostly fixed by now. they still have some minor bugs but not so much. rtx 2070 super is not worth it in most budgets. with higher budget sure go for 2-5% extra performance for 20+% higher price.

[5x5]

43 minutes ago, ExplodingRubber said:

The Sapphire Radeon 5700XT I purchased in April 2020 still suffered from black screens, BSOD, etc. with a fresh Windows install on all new hardware. All of my issues were resolved when replacing the Sapphire card with an EVGA 2070 Super. 

 

As a huge fan of AMD and they have done to disrupt the market, I was very disappointed that I received a card that was essentially DOA

 

It is entirely possible that I got a bad card, but for peace-of-mind and reliability, I will stick with over-priced (but working) Nvidia cards moving forward

You had a defective card. It's rare but it happens. Why not just RMA it?

[BlackManINC]

22 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

You had a defective card. It's rare but it happens. Why not just RMA it?

Doesn't seem all that rare with all the complaints still rolling through. I don't think the card is defective in a lot of these cases, I think it has more to do the card pushing the RDNA architecture to its limit. 

[ExplodingRubber]

29 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

You had a defective card. It's rare but it happens. Why not just RMA it?

Honestly, man, I had that beautiful hunk of junk for 3 weeks and I was so disappointed that I went to the dark side. I also did not want to wait for an RMA, as I had already sold my old card. I just purchased the new card and returned the old one when it arrived. 

 

If I had RMA'd the Sapphire card I would still be waiting for the replacement

[5x5]

47 minutes ago, ExplodingRubber said:

Honestly, man, I had that beautiful hunk of junk for 3 weeks and I was so disappointed that I went to the dark side. I also did not want to wait for an RMA, as I had already sold my old card. I just purchased the new card and returned the old one when it arrived. 

 

If I had RMA'd the Sapphire card I would still be waiting for the replacement

Not really. Sapphire turnout around time is usually 7-10 days. And their support is excellent. It's why everyone recommends Sapphire and EVGA for GPUs

[5x5]

1 hour ago, BlackManINC said:

Doesn't seem all that rare with all the complaints still rolling through. I don't think the card is defective in a lot of these cases, I think it has more to do the card pushing the RDNA architecture to its limit. 

Nah, it's not that. The RDNA uArch can do a lot more. The 5700 XT is actually tame since they want to keep TDP in check. The issue is usually a defect. Remember, 10 complaints aren't a lot when you factor in that there are also a 1000 people with working cards not posting. Every so often someone will ask and about 10 people will respond saying their card runs fine and occasionally someone will respond with issues and in most cases those get resolved.

I mean, I've also had issues with Nvidia's recent drivers but I haven't been screaming about it since I know it's a small sample size (even though I found others on their forums with similar woes). With the amount of cards being sold, there are bound to be defects. The difference is with Nvidia users don't assume software issues and directly RMA whereas with AMD they automatically blame drivers even for defective cards due to old legends.