LTT Folding Team's Emergency Response to Covid-19

[HaRdLy007]

5 minutes ago, ShortRouter said:

Same. I remember slides with different cloud computing service models. With own hardware you are always fully responsible for everything and you are your own support. Any company without IT division is fucked if they have hardware they don't know how to troubleshoot and maintain. Some bigger businesses like to hoard own servers and keep everything under their roof until they get "too big" for that. Funny how that works.

There are companies that use secure off site data centres when they get too big

[Inkertus]

7 minutes ago, ShortRouter said:

Same. I remember slides with different cloud computing service models. With own hardware you are always fully responsible for everything and you are your own support. Any company without IT division is fucked if they have hardware they don't know how to troubleshoot and maintain. Some bigger businesses like to hoard own servers and keep everything under their roof until they get "too big" for that. Funny how that works.

Well the irony for the cloud is that you need a more competent crew running and maintaining things because you now have at least two fronts being poked and attacked instead of just your place of business and every security problem associated with that.  Gotta keep the cloud provider's access to your systems to a minimum and everyone not you in their accounts or just out.  There have been news stories of cloud providers being the route-cause of a security breach and most of the rest were poorly configured cloud items that were curiously accessible via the internet. So yeah.  Wonderful resource, lots you can do with it, lots you can screw up.

[ObeliskAG]

3 minutes ago, Inkertus said:

Well the irony for the cloud is that you need a more competent crew running and maintaining things because you now have at least two fronts being poked and attacked instead of just your place of business and every security problem associated with that.  Gotta keep the cloud provider's access to your systems to a minimum and everyone not you in their accounts or just out.  There have been news stories of cloud providers being the route-cause of a security breach and most of the rest were poorly configured cloud items that were curiously accessible via the internet. So yeah.  Wonderful resource, lots you can do with it, lots you can screw up.

How do I up-vote the crap out of this?

[GOTSpectrum]

Guys I'm just busy atm but as always the update will come!

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing how @Macaw2000 has done myself!!!

[HaRdLy007]

4 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Guys I'm just bust atm but as always the update will come!

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing how @Macaw2000 has done myself!!!

I'm guessing 7 or 8

[Gustavehomme01]

3 hours ago, ffbr said:

Yeah I think this event will "cost" about 800/900$ equivalent on my side.

(It's mostly idle ressources that are not needed / can be delayed for our projects and a Google free credit because... Why not)

Ya when i did my instances it indicated a cost of 700$ a month, interestingly enough 11 hours later already 25$ of my credit is gone. 

[cbigfoot]

Neck and neck in to this turn who will win no one knows (well I do I will win :P) @BearCalledDave Not giving up easily...

[Inkertus]

2 minutes ago, Gustavehomme01 said:

Ya when i did my instances it indicated a cost of 700$ a month, interestingly enough 11 hours later already 25$ of my credit is gone. 

You sure that wasn't one of those LED bulb life rating things where it's "20 years at 3 hours per day"?

[ConceptOW]

3 hours ago, ffbr said:

I used to get quite a bit of free credit on aws during conference, events...

Do you work for a company that paid for your ticket to go? AWS events are so expensive to attend.

[ConceptOW]

Made an interesting observation.. the points and WU from my windows desktop show up on FAH Stats and EOC but not my cloud servers. Maybe it has to do with the server they are sending to.

[Jordan Johnson-Verburg]

Hey needing some help.  I'm up and running Folding@home  for LTT team finally instead of using Boinc for Rosetta@home.

Folding@home is new for me but I want my GPU to be better utilized and I noticed it isn't getting any action currently.

Everything is currently default.

 

I see occasional Work Units downloading for my specific GPU [GeForce GTX 1070]
Checked the log for the GPU slot # and it kept spitting out this error:
"Failed to start core: OpenCL device matching slot 1 not found, try setting 'opencl-index' manually"

 

After a series of fails and errors, it sends back the work unit, labels it as bad, then tries to find more work units only to repeat this process over again.

 

 I had the automatically generated slot ID as "1".  Went to see what can be edited.  My GPU-Index, opencl-index, and cuda-index are all set to "-1" (default).

 

Would be greatly appreciated if I can get this error fixed and contribute more to the team and the cause.  Thanks for being such a great community.

 

Salud,

Jordan

PS I know it's a forum and I don't need to have this read like a formal email or whatever, but wanted to wish everyone good health anyways!

EDIT: For now I've just paused the GPU to help by not congesting the servers with cyclical failing work units and downloads.

[KendallR]

2 minutes ago, Jordan Johnson-Verburg said:

Hey needing some help.  I'm up and running Folding@home  for LTT team finally instead of using Boinc for Rosetta@home.

Folding@home is new for me but I want my GPU to be better utilized and I noticed it isn't getting any action currently.

Everything is currently default.

 

I see occasional Work Units downloading for my specific GPU [GeForce GTX 1070]
Checked the log for the GPU slot # and it kept spitting out this error:
"Failed to start core: OpenCL device matching slot 1 not found, try setting 'opencl-index' manually"

 

After a series of fails and errors, it sends back the work unit, labels it as bad, then tries to find more work units only to repeat this process over again.

 

 I had the automatically generated slot ID as "1".  Went to see what can be edited.  My GPU-Index, opencl-index, and cuda-index are all set to "-1" (default).

 

Would be greatly appreciated if I can get this error fixed and contribute more to the team and the cause.  Thanks for being such a great community.

 

Salud,

Jordan

PS I know it's a forum and I don't need to have this read like a formal email or whatever, but wanted to wish everyone good health anyways!

Check to make sure your drivers are up to date. if they are not. recommend a CLEAN install of the latest drivers. then check the status of the gpu. still not right, reinstall Folding@Home App

[Jordan Johnson-Verburg]

1 minute ago, KendallR said:

Check to make sure your drivers are up to date. if they are not. recommend a CLEAN install of the latest drivers. then check the status of the gpu. still not right, reinstall Folding@Home App

Okay thanks!  Are you aware if it is better or even can utilize "studio" drivers from NVIDIA?

[Kochiha Ichihara]

THERE WE GO!

[KendallR]

1 minute ago, Jordan Johnson-Verburg said:

Okay thanks!  Are you aware if it is better or even can utilize "studio" drivers from NVIDIA?

No that i know of. Studio is best for video proccessing/editing and general computing tasks and such. The game ready drivers include most if not all the studio drivers stuff anyways.

[Gustavehomme01]

19 minutes ago, Inkertus said:

You sure that wasn't one of those LED bulb life rating things where it's "20 years at 3 hours per day"?

I'm starting to think so... either way i'll take it for as long as I can. Going to monitor and see whats a full day is costing and go from there. 

 

I just really wished i would have been able to get a hold of a server in the warehouse i would have put the 8 P5000,  2 xeon E3-2658 V4 with 128Gb of ram to some good use. Put at-last they are to be delivered to the client in 2 weeks time, not sure if "QA: testing would have been acceptable.  Would of had to run some 220V but that no big deal

 

The folds that could have been.

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, Gustavehomme01 said:

I'm starting to think so... either way i'll take it for as long as I can. Going to monitor and see whats a full day is costing and go from there. 

 

I just really wished i would have been able to get a hold of a server in the warehouse i would have put the 8 P5000,  2 xeon E3-2658 V4 with 128Gb of ram to some good use. Put at-last they are to be delivered to the client in 2 weeks time, not sure if "QA: testing would have been acceptable.  Would of had to run some 220V but that no big deal

 

The folds that could have been.

im fairly certin your house will burn down now,,,

[Victor Golf]

3 minutes ago, Gustavehomme01 said:

I'm starting to think so... either way i'll take it for as long as I can. Going to monitor and see whats a full day is costing and go from there. 

 

I just really wished i would have been able to get a hold of a server in the warehouse i would have put the 8 P5000,  2 xeon E3-2658 V4 with 128Gb of ram to some good use. Put at-last they are to be delivered to the client in 2 weeks time, not sure if "QA: testing would have been acceptable.  Would of had to run some 220V but that no big deal

 

The folds that could have been.

That looks super incredibly ultra sketchy. 

[GalaxyNetworks]

I'm well aware that not every solution is build for the cloud. I'm well aware that some people would rather have direct control of their machines and data.
I'm running a mixture of cloud computing and on-prem servers. It all depends on your goals and your customers wishes.

1 hour ago, ObeliskAG said:

Don't want to get too much further off topic, so I'll keep it brief:

Cheaper - Got proof to back up your statement? While cloud can be cheaper, it is not a universal truth that it is. Only lazy or incompetent IT leaders believe otherwise.

Hardware dies - All properly designed solutions have redundancy. This is what VMware SRM is for.

ISP - Redundant links from multiple ISPs to the data centre, so a single ISP outage is not an issue.

GDPR - Even before this, compliance was an issue. Eg. Until recently Microsoft would only geolocate Office365 for customers with 5,000 or more users. Still an issue with the cloud.

 

Businesses are paying more to have convenience and cash flow management (reduced capex), not an overall lower TCO.

 

To be fair, if you are Norwegian, I can see that TCO calculations favour non-Norwegian cloud services.

Cheaper: I agree, that was a stupid thing to say. Sure there are situations where it won't be cheaper, but consider simple web solutions like the homepage of a small company. You could run that for free in Azure or you could pay for your own server and manage it all in-house. It all depends on what you feel is best for you (maintenance, reliability, cost...)

 

Hardware dies: Sure, if this is what you expect, then no. The company might not benefit from the cloud... At least for now. But far from all on-prem solutions have the needed redundancy and recovery can easily cost more money than a cloud solution would have cost.

 

ISP: Once again we're talking about a situation that is not just an on-prem setup where your servers sits in the basement of your company. Even on-prem solutions can have redundant ISPs, that I'm well aware of, it's just not always the case.

 

GDPR: This is just one of the reasons for why I have on-prem servers, and yes, even before GDPR...

Again, this is not an easy discussion. I don't disagree with you. I'm just favoring cloud solutions unless there's a good reason for an on-prem solution.
When I say cloud solutions are cheaper it is because I'm thinking of worst case scenarios. When a server goes down in the cloud, your resources will, if enabled and available, automatically be migrated to a new server.

 

47 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

Send it back to be fixed because you get 2 years minimum warranty or more depending on the manufacture. Also a large amount of the cost can be recouped by sell old hardware.

And what will you do those two to four weeks while your hardware is being repaired? Sure you could buy new and simply sell the old one when it gets fixed, but from my experience that's too much of a hassle.

And depending on the issue, it might not even be covered by warranty. Oh, 2 years is not long when it comes to on-prem solutions. Don't expect them to be upgraded every two years.

This is rather off-topic and I apologizes for that. 

[Inkertus]

6 minutes ago, GalaxyNetworks said:

I'm well aware that not every solution is build for the cloud. I'm well aware that some people would rather have direct control of their machines and data.
I'm running a mixture of cloud computing and on-prem servers. It all depends on your goals and your customers wishes.

Cheaper: I agree, that was a stupid thing to say. Sure there are situations where it won't be cheaper, but consider simple web solutions like the homepage of a small company. You could run that for free in Azure or you could pay for your own server and manage it all in-house. It all depends on what you feel is best for you (maintenance, reliability, cost...)

 

Hardware dies: Sure, if this is what you expect, then no. The company might not benefit from the cloud... At least for now. But far from all on-prem solutions have the needed redundancy and recovery can easily cost more money than a cloud solution would have cost.

 

ISP: Once again we're talking about a situation that is not just an on-prem setup where your servers sits in the basement of your company. Even on-prem solutions can have redundant ISPs, that I'm well aware of, it's just not always the case.

 

GDPR: This is just one of the reasons for why I have on-prem servers, and yes, even before GDPR...

Again, this is not an easy discussion. I don't disagree with you. I'm just favoring cloud solutions unless there's a good reason for an on-prem solution.
When I say cloud solutions are cheaper it is because I'm thinking of worst case scenarios. When a server goes down in the cloud, your resources will, if enabled and available, automatically be migrated to a new server.

 

And what will you do those two to four weeks while your hardware is being repaired? Sure you could buy new and simply sell the old one when it gets fixed, but from my experience that's too much of a hassle.

And depending on the issue, it might not even be covered by warranty. Oh, 2 years is not long when it comes to on-prem solutions. Don't expect them to be upgraded every two years.

This is rather off-topic and I apologizes for that. 

That's a mighty large barrel o'worms you opened there friend!

[Gustavehomme01]

2 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

im fairly certin your house will burn down now,,,

I just had to put some humor in here.....

Just now, Victor Golf said:

That looks super incredibly ultra sketchy. 

What else are you going to do when you run out of breakers??? LOL

 

To be clear this was a goggle search image, and not of my place...

 

All joking aside,

I'm well versed in electrical, I deal with 480VAC@120Amps and up to 120KVDC yes that's 120 000 V DC steped up from 300VDC at 50Apms at work so no shenanigans, cause one small slip-up and you ain't going home..

 

If you don't know what your doing with electrical don't do it, you don't want to win the Darwin award...

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, Gustavehomme01 said:

I just had to put some humor in here.....

What else are you going to do when you run out of breakers??? LOL

 

To be clear this was a goggle search image, and not of my place...

 

All joking aside,

I'm well versed in electrical, I deal with 480VAC@120Amps and up to 120KVDC yes that's 120 000 V DC steped up from 300VDC at 50Apms at work so no shenanigans, cause one small slip-up and you ain't going home..

 

If you don't know what your doing with electrical don't do it, you don't want to win the Darwin award...

yeah i was hopihg so...as that is not the solution the solution to being out of breakers is this: 

OR What ever brand or if your in London or surrounding area just call Thomas Nagy...lol

[C3Shark]

I just got in from a job and I've seen some sh!t today. I hope I'll never see again. I can't explain how important it is to not take any risks or do anything stupid because in some areas, there's literally no one to help you. I hope all of you and your families are home, safe and healthy.

[cbigfoot]

@GOTSpectrumHows it going been very Quiet today...i know your busy but just saying hi and drinking a triple shot if rum for you...

[Bombastinator]

12 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

yeah i was hopihg so...as that is not the solution the solution to being out of breakers is this: 

OR What ever brand or if your in London or surrounding area just call Thomas Nagy...lol

Additional description: that thing there is colloquially termed a “cheater” locally.  It’s two breakers than fit in the space of a single breaker.  They’re often but not always legal.  I’ve got a bunch of them myself.  The problem of course is even with cheaters you can still run out of spaces and need to install a larger box, which is expensive and there isn’t always room for them.  On one of my boxes these have both happened.

 

i still won’t completely circumvent a breaker system and bodge a wire right into a mains like that screw thing.  Holy cats.  That’s crazy.  And wildly illegal.  And dangerous.  Like “gonna kill someone” dangerous.