LTT Folding Team's Emergency Response to Covid-19

[GOTSpectrum]

3 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

@GOTSpectrumHows it going been very Quiet today...i know your busy but just saying hi and drinking a triple shot if rum for you...

Ha love it, I'm on a Elderflower gin fizz!

 

I'm just waiting on a stats correction, I'll just push through the update with the issues if @leadeater doesn't reply soon and everyone will have to just deal with it!

 

sigh

 

None-unique names on F@H is the bane of my life.

 

But yeah, been busy trying to sort some family stuff out and just realised the taxman owes me a good chunck of change but the whole COVID thing means I ain't gonna get it any time soon most likely. 

[cbigfoot]

6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Additional description: that thing there is colloquially termed a “cheater” locally.  It’s two breakers than fit in the space of a single breaker.  They’re often but not always legal.  I’ve got a bunch of them myself.  The problem of course is even with cheaters you can still run out of spaces and need to install a larger box, which is expensive and there isn’t always room for them.  On one of my boxes these have both happened.

well Cheaters are legal here but from  my understanding cant have more than 4 in a 16 breaker pannel...i have 2 special cheater pairs in mine Which count as regular breakers as they are surge protectors...

[C3Shark]

4 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Additional description: that thing there is colloquially termed a “cheater” locally.  It’s two breakers than fit in the space of a single breaker.  They’re often but not always legal.  I’ve got a bunch of them myself.  The problem of course is even with cheaters you can still run out of spaces and need to install a larger box, which is expensive and there isn’t always room for them.  On one of my boxes these have both happened.

You'd get a kick out of my shop. It was a line shaft driven shop 100 years ago and was converted to 3 phase but I swear I find a box every time I turn a corner

[LFreeman]

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2 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

well Cheaters are legal here but from  my understanding cant have more than 4 in a 16 breaker pannel...i have 2 special cheater pairs in mine Which count as regular breakers as they are surge protectors...

 

Being in an older city, you are lucky if the house even has a breaker box and not fuses.

[Bombastinator]

4 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

well Cheaters are legal here but from  my understanding cant have more than 4 in a 16 breaker pannel...i have 2 special cheater pairs in mine Which count as regular breakers as they are surge protectors...

It’s all about local code and intended use and a bunch of other stuff.  It’s why the code book is two inches thick and electricians get the big bucks.  I’m a big fan of code books.  Every word in a code book is written in blood.  Nothing gets into a code book unless someone got killed.

[cbigfoot]

Just now, LFreeman said:

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Being in an older city, you are lucky if the house even has a breaker box and not fuses.

lol when i bought my place i would have forced them to upgrade it as part of the sale...

[C3Shark]

Just now, LFreeman said:

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Being in an older city, you are lucky if the house even has a breaker box and not fuses.

I was surprised how many houses in Kansas are still on knob and tube.

[LFreeman]

1 minute ago, cbigfoot said:

lol when i bought my place i would have forced them to upgrade it as part of the sale...

The (not complete) rewire of this place was over 12k. I have a few outlets that have a light socket that you would put in a 2 prong adapter.  Only a few have a neutral wire actually connected and most are still 2 prong

[cbigfoot]

6 minutes ago, C3Shark said:

I was surprised how many houses in Kansas are still on knob and tube.

here in nashville most every one have been upgraded as far as i have seen...had 1 friiend that upgraded recently after his neighbors garage didn't quite catch fire but well smoked really bad.  dont get me wrrong there was a fire just contained to the metal box like its supposed to.

[Inkertus]

7 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

It’s all about local code and intended use and a bunch of other stuff.  It’s why the code book is two inches thick and electricians get the big bucks.  I’m a big fan of code books.  Every word in a code book is written in blood.  Nothing gets into a code book unless someone got killed.

It's why I was pissed when my short lived welding job didn't seem to know the word "code" or anything up to it.  They even mentioned that years (no idea how many) ago they were told they had to store the flammable gas cylinders away from the oxygen ones...

[Bombastinator]

8 minutes ago, C3Shark said:

You'd get a kick out of my shop. It was a line shaft driven shop 100 years ago and was converted to 3 phase but I swear I find a box every time I turn a corner

Sounds terrifying.  Probably lots of abandoned stuff.  Might be worth getting a guy in to trace everything, Mark it and make drawings.  My building was a single family home in the 1930’s with knob and tube that was redone as a duplex in the 50’s and as an illegal 5plex in the 60’s, then again as a legal 4plex in 2000-2005. I’ve got a friend who is a union electrician that actually took photos of one of my electrical boxes to send to his school professor because it had three generations of wire types in one box.

[Xaiux]

I remember the house I grew up in was all knob and tube. Good thing I wasn't into computers then LOL. Good thing my current place used to be a computer shop before it was renovated into an apartment. 

[Bombastinator]

15 minutes ago, C3Shark said:

I was surprised how many houses in Kansas are still on knob and tube.

Knob and tube is actually safe.  It’s got huge problems with things like insulation, ability to rewire, and other things but it actually works fine.  The big issue with it is it has to be built into a house in a much more fundamental way than new stuff.  It turns whole walls into what amounts to wiring insulation.  The insulator for knob and tube is air.  Lots of it.  To get rid of it you have to tear out whole walls.

[C3Shark]

5 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Sounds terrifying.  Probably lots of abandoned stuff.  Might be worth getting a guy in to trace everything, Mark it and make drawings.  My building was a single family home in the 1930’s with knob and tube that was redone as a duplex in the 50’s and as an illegal 5plex in the 60’s, then again as a legal 4plex in 2000-2005. I’ve got a friend who is a union electrician that actually took photos of one of my electrical boxes to send to his school professor because it had three generations of wire types in one box.

Every time something breaks or gets upgraded, I have the whole section torn out and replaced, it's a big shop and ain't nobody got money fo dat

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, Inkertus said:

It's why I was pissed when my short lived welding job didn't seem to know the word "code" or anything up to it.  They even mentioned that years (no idea how many) ago they were told they had to store the flammable gas cylinders away from the oxygen ones...

Maybe time to do their wives and children a favor.

[BlueSpartan]

5 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Knob and tube is actually safe.  It’s got huge problems with things like insulation, ability to rewire, and other things but it actually works fine.  The big issue with it is it has to be built into a house in a much more fundamental way than new stuff.  It turns whole walls into what amounts to wiring insulation.  The insulator for knob and tube is air.  Lots of it.  To get rid of it you have to tear out whole walls.

Glass fuses for the win.

[Shlouski]

24 minutes ago, GalaxyNetworks said:

And what will you do those two to four weeks while your hardware is being repaired?

 

Varies depending on the problem, could vary from business as usual to greatly impacted, but considering the thousands I could save over a couple of years I would be able to afford to have spares. I could have a bridged nics, dual psu's, would like have multiple gpus, raid mirroring and multiple stick of ram, any one of these failing wouldn't cause the system not to work. The problem would be cpu and motherboard, to minimize down time you would need spares on hand and this seems very manageable.

 

34 minutes ago, GalaxyNetworks said:

And depending on the issue, it might not even be covered by warranty.

 

If its a defect from the manufacturer then its covered by law in the EU for 2 years minimum, never had any problems getting a replacements or a repair done in over 20 years, also any replacement is covered for an additional 2 years, so I can be beneficial for a part to die and be replaced in this 2 year period, things like accidental damage or theft is covered by house hold insurance.

 

40 minutes ago, GalaxyNetworks said:

Don't expect them to be upgraded every two years.

 

 

Using this as an example, over 2 years you could pay in the region of $37,000, hopefully the monthly price will be reduced over time so it wouldn't be quite as much as this. Let say you give yourself a $25,000 budget, I bet you could build the system in the example with all the redundancies/backups possible and have spares, even have the option of getting thousands back by sell parts if you wish, like if you wanted to upgrade.

 

 

[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, BlueSpartan said:

Glass fuses for the win.

Fuses work. I’m not sure they win, but they work.  They’re a pain in the butt but they work.  A breaker is really just a reusable fuse.

[jctappel67]

Bad folding day today. 2 of the VMs gave me trouble all day. 

 

Not sure if I'll be top 25 today. Tomorrow maybe...

 

Feelings:

[cbigfoot]

Just now, jctappel67 said:

Bad folding day today. 2 of the VMs gave me trouble all day. 

 

Not sure if I'll be top 25 today. Tomorrow maybe...

 

Feelings:

whens the 2070s due in will it be here intime to help make up for that?

[jctappel67]

Just now, cbigfoot said:

whens the 2070s due in will it be here intime to help make up for that?

Thursday. And you can bet your A$$ it's going straight to folding.

[cbigfoot]

Just now, jctappel67 said:

Thursday. And you can bet your A$$ it's going straight to folding.

Good little frank just remember its about as big as you are

[Alex Atkin UK]

12 hours ago, SpiritWrath said:

I would argue it depends on how you construct your argument;

Best case scenario your folding helps find a cure for one of the primary diseases faster which in turn means less time, money, resources and other thing spend on that particular research, which would make it electricity well spent for me.

Indeed, if I had solar panels (can't, rented council housing) I'd use as much of that electricity as possible as the feed-in rate is so pathetic compared to the purchase rate as a customer.

Although one consideration with folding is longevity of the hardware.  I'm sure running my laptop flat-out 24/7 is not doing it any favours so I will be taking that out of the equation at some point.  My desktop being a 9900K with RTX 2080 I'm not sure, GPU folding really slows the UI in Linux so might switch it back to while I'm asleep only, its been flat-out for the last two days.

I expect to at least keep folding on my NAS/server indefinitely, once the new Noctua cooler arrives tomorrow so I can throw more than 2 out of 6 8600k cores at it without baking it.  (didn't need a better cooler when those cores were idle 99% of the time)

Might leave my Ryzen laptop folding indefinitely too as it doesn't generate much heat and it only pulls 27W which I don't think is bad for 17K PPD. (sure would love one of those new Zen 2 ones)

[Gustavehomme01]

33 minutes ago, LFreeman said:

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Being in an older city, you are lucky if the house even has a breaker box and not fuses.

Nothing wrong with fuses, much safer then breakers until somebody replaces a fuse with a coin... I'll never see a fuse blow close... breakers do fail close...  

[cbigfoot]

6 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

Indeed, if I had solar panels (can't, rented council housing) I'd use as much of that electricity as possible as the feed-in rate is so pathetic compared to the purchase rate as a customer.

Although one consideration with folding is longevity of the hardware.  I'm sure running my laptop flat-out 24/7 is not doing it any favours so I will be taking that out of the equation at some point.  My desktop being a 9900K with RTX 2080 I'm not sure, GPU folding really slows the UI in Linux so might switch it back to while I'm asleep only, its been flat-out for the last two days.

I expect to at least keep folding on my NAS/server indefinitely, once the new Noctua cooler arrives tomorrow so I can throw more than 2 out of 6 8600k cores at it without baking it.  (didn't need a better cooler when those cores were idle 99% of the time)

Might leave my Ryzen laptop folding indefinitely too as it doesn't generate much heat and it only pulls 27W which I don't think is bad for 17K PPD. (sure would love one of those new Zen 2 ones)

i have the 1st (R7-2700U and 2nd Gen R7-3700U) and hope dell make a XPS 15 using the new AMD Ryzen if they do i will sell the one i have to get it lol...my 2700u is great at folding my 3700u goes mental when i put load on it i think either the paste need to be redone which i will do some time this weekend or i have a bum chip and will get it fixed under warranty but don't want to have it fixed right now as i don't want to ship it off and also don't want a stranger in my house currently (though i know most of the techs in my area) but still i DON'T want to get sick lol...