LTT Folding Team's Emergency Response to Covid-19

[GOTSpectrum]

Right, gonna go make mt 5th Elderflower Gin Fizz then fiddle me some spreadsheets...

 

Wish me luck

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Please, we're all friends here.

 

Call me Spec! 

 

Also There is no scientific evidence that having a smaller brain leads to reduced intelligence. All you gotta do is look at most politicians, big head and all...

hey! political jokes bad!

[vanished]

Just curious about the details behind the WU shortage - is it that they don't have the network (or other) infrastructure to send the work out (what I assumed), or is it that there simply isn't enough work to saturate the huge amount of available processing power on the network right now? (something I've heard in passing from people who may or may not know more about this than I do )

[Shlouski]

6 minutes ago, Macaw2000 said:

Why would anyone ever use on-demand pricing for a job like this? (Hint: they would not) Why would anyone ever use P100 GPUs for a job like this? (again, would not). Look at some of the many cloud ROI calculators out there. I know we're a PC enthusiast crowd here and love to build fun machines but there's no serious argument that holds up for on-prem server workloads.

Then give me an example, show me a machine you think make sense and how much it would cost on the cloud. 

 

6 minutes ago, Macaw2000 said:

If you do a fully burdened cost of an on-prem workload including depreciation, it's always more expensive than cloud. Heck, that's why the cloud is a $300B market growing to $1T over the next few years.  

 

With the cloud you are still paying for everything and more, you are paying for the hardware, running cost, man power and they also need to turn a profit, so ofc you can do the same but cheap if you have the know how. Your argue on depreciation makes no sense, the fact that you own the hardware gives you the advantage of sell it off to recoup costs, for sure google will be doing this. If you spend 10,000 on a cloud you get 0 depreciation of nothing because you have nothing, if you spend 10,000 on hardware you suffer from a lot of depreciation, but stand to get something back instead of nothing.

 

 

13 minutes ago, Macaw2000 said:

Heck, that's why the cloud is a $300B market growing to $1T over the next few years.

 

There are countless variables to why business grow, being cheaper is very often not the reason. In my area it much cheaper to eat at home, but billions are spent dining out, people could fix many problems with their own car, but choose to go to a mechanic. A lot of the most successful businesses are the ones that have made a live easier, even if it did come at a cost.

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

Just curious about the details behind the WU shortage - is it that they don't have the network (or other) infrastructure to send the work out (what I assumed), or is it that there simply isn't enough work to saturate the huge amount of available processing power on the network right now? (something I've heard in passing from people who may or may not know more about this than I do )

Both...

 

The network has been vastly expanded but they are struggling to produce WUs at a high enough to fill demand

[GrockleTD]

hey btw, @GOTSpectrum one of these days you need a kid friendly cocktail, what with the drinking age being 21 in the US and all

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

hey btw, @GOTSpectrum one of these days you need a kid friendly cocktail, what with the drinking age being 21 in the US and all

I have a kid friendly cocktail for you...

 

Water and depression.... wait... Just water...

[jctappel67]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

hey btw, @GOTSpectrum one of these days you need a kid friendly cocktail, what with the drinking age being 21 in the US and all

It's more like a guideline. Especially in Louisiana, where I grew up.

[GrockleTD]

Just now, jctappel67 said:

It's more like a guideline. Especially in Louisiana, where I grew up.

verily, but personally i prefer to stick to said guidelines

[GOTSpectrum]

Btw guys we have seen an increase in the number of active folders for the third day in a row!

 

[LordKitsune]

2 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

I have a kid friendly cocktail for you...

 

Water and depression.... wait... Just water...

BAHAHAHAHAHA, What if I just want depression?

1 minute ago, GrockleTD said:

verily, but personally i prefer to stick to said guidelines

Ehhhh, life is best lived dangerously!

[GrockleTD]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

Btw guys we have seen an increase in the number of active folders for the third day in a row!

 

 

Zounds! This verily doth be good news!

[cbigfoot]

4 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

hey btw, @GOTSpectrum one of these days you need a kid friendly cocktail, what with the drinking age being 21 in the US and all

1 cupLemon Lime Soda

6 tablespoonsGrenadine Syrup

addIce

addMaraschino Cherries (For Garnish)

[jctappel67]

1 minute ago, cbigfoot said:

1 cupLemon Lime Soda

6 tablespoonsGrenadine Syrup

addIce

addMaraschino Cherries (For Garnish)

And then add a fifth of vodka, right?

[Macaw2000]

3 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Btw guys we have seen an increase in the number of active folders for the third day in a row!

 

...

Love it! Every little bit counts. 

 

eyes the TI-81 calculator near me

[Vinay Pundith]

Hi LTT Folders,

I am trying to setup my home desktop for Folding@Home, but I am not able to install the FAHClient software.  My computer has 64-bit Ubuntu Mate 19.10 for an operating system.

I downloaded 3 .DEB files from their website: fahcontrol.deb, fahclient.deb, and fahviewer.deb.  fahviewer and hahcontrol worked properly (after adding and enabling the Ubuntu 18.04 repositories, as it needed some files from there) but fahclient.deb doesn't install.  This is the error I get:

dpkg: error processing package fahclient (--install):
 installed fahclient package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1

Errors were encountered while processing:
 fahclient

.  I have a fresh (few days old) OS setup, and this is a completely home-assembled computer with no other known issues.  I have done all updates and installed any drivers that needed to be installed.

Has anyone else here encountered and solved this problem? If so, could you please share what you did to fix it?  I love working with computers, and would love to help fight COVID in any way that I can, which is why I am trying to run F@H.  But I am unable to figure this problem out.

BTW I am trying to install FAHclient version 7.5.1.

Thanks

[KendallR]

We are so close to taking over the Monthly lead! Keep pushing guys!

[GOTSpectrum]

6 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

1 cupLemon Lime Soda

6 tablespoonsGrenadine Syrup

addIce

addMaraschino Cherries (For Garnish)

One I used to make when I was a youth worker, is Sprite, mango juice and passion fruit juice in equal proportions, mixed with shaved ice, served with a little grenadine at the bottom, pineapple and a cherry on a stick and garnished with a twist of lemon, a few pomegranate seeds and a little umbrella 

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, jctappel67 said:

And then add a fifth of vodka, right?

eh make it a 2 fifths lol 

[LordKitsune]

2 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

eh make it a 2 fifths lol 

Ite, at this point I have to step in with a revelation for ya.

 

When you get to this point, you aren't mixing your drink. You're taking shots and chasing with the mix-ins

 

 

My favorite way to drink!

[GOTSpectrum]

F?

 

[LordKitsune]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

F?

 

OOOOOOOOOOF

[Guest]

It's hot in here.

Did we fold COVID-19 to death yet?

[GalaxyNetworks]

6 minutes ago, Shlouski said:

Then give me an example, show me a machine you think make sense and how much it would cost on the cloud. 

 

 

With the cloud you are still paying for everything and more, you are paying for the hardware, running cost, man power and they also need to turn a profit, so ofc you can do the same but cheap if you have the know how. Your argue on depreciation makes no sense, the fact that you own the hardware gives you the advantage of sell it off to recoup costs, for sure google will be doing this. If you spend 10,000 on a cloud you get 0 depreciation of nothing because you have nothing, if you spend 10,000 on hardware you suffer from a lot of depreciation, but stand to get something back instead of nothing.

 

 

 

There are countless variables to why business grow, being cheaper is very often not the reason. In my area it much cheaper to eat at home, but billions are spent dining out, people could fix many problems with their own car, but choose to go to a mechanic. A lot of the most successful businesses are the ones that have made a live easier, even if it did come at a cost.

You keep forgetting that you only pay for consumption in the cloud. Do you need to scale up for a short period due to a product or update release, No problem! Then you simply scale down when you no longer need the extra resources. Please do that on-prem!

You compare a cloud product with a matching machine... That's not how you're supposed to use the cloud!
Lets say you need a Tesla V100 for data crunching. You run it monthly and only for 4 to 6 hours. What would be most beneficial? Buying the hardware and let it get dusty or simply setup a cheap preemptible/spot instance in the cloud when needed?

The more you use it the more it makes sense to have your own hardware, but even then it might still be better with a cloud solution. It all depends...

[LFreeman]

4 minutes ago, Vinay Pundith said:

Hi LTT Folders,

I am trying to setup my home desktop for Folding@Home, but I am not able to install the FAHClient software.  My computer has 64-bit Ubuntu Mate 19.10 for an operating system.

I downloaded 3 .DEB files from their website: fahcontrol.deb, fahclient.deb, and fahviewer.deb.  fahviewer and hahcontrol worked properly (after adding and enabling the Ubuntu 18.04 repositories, as it needed some files from there) but fahclient.deb doesn't install.  This is the error I get:

dpkg: error processing package fahclient (--install):
 installed fahclient package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1

Errors were encountered while processing:
 fahclient

.  I have a fresh (few days old) OS setup, and this is a completely home-assembled computer with no other known issues.  I have done all updates and installed any drivers that needed to be installed.

Has anyone else here encountered and solved this problem? If so, could you please share what you did to fix it?  I love working with computers, and would love to help fight COVID in any way that I can, which is why I am trying to run F@H.  But I am unable to figure this problem out.

BTW I am trying to install FAHclient version 7.5.1.

Thanks

try an older .deb 7.4.4 works for me