Canadian fined $35,000 for hurting feelings *Update, Jokes won.

[JZStudios]

1 hour ago, steelo said:

And communism has killed more people than the holocaust.

 

Just saying.

To be fair, communism has been around longer.

But China has also "prevented" over 4 million children through forced abortions.

 

...let's seriously not get into this. That goes way off way too fast.

[spartaman64]

15 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

BECAUSE IT'S A JOKE.

People call out on public figures and make fun of them all the time. The only "issue" here is that the kid was disabled. You're really stuck on this "stealing from charity" thing, which isn't the issue the case is claiming. The case claimed the jokes were infringing on his freedom of expression in excess of $35,000. Even for defamation you need to provide proof of financial loss for reimbursement. there was zero financial loss here.

Jesus Christ, just skip all this bullshit.

 

Empty threats do not get you jailed. Yelling "I WILL KILL YOU!" at some guy on the street might get the cops called on me, and questioned. Unfortunately, empty threats are meaningless and as such I would be let go without harm, fines, or jail time.

I can also yell at a child "I WILL EAT ALL YOUR CANDY!" and it's basically the same thing. There needs to be actual intent, and evidence of such. That being said, if that guy feels truly threatened he's also within his rights to request protection. Or y'know, buy a gun.

 

Dalek keeps going down the line of Psycho Pass where a single moment or phrase gets you immediately imprisoned or just straight up murdered. It's a stupid argument that's false at it's core and a concept that seems incomprehensible to him to denote a moment of spontaneous action, or in this case a joke, from actual intent to do things like murder that are actually a crime.

His absolute best case scenario argument is for acts of treason and expressing, detailing, or otherwise exposing classified government information that harms the security of the nation, but that's also kind of in a different game of actually doing something and breaking a bunch of NDA's and a whole bunch of other stuff.

But Hillary got away with it, so who knows?

If I go on a rampage and cite GTA as the reason, then should Rockstar shut down and never have another GTA be made ever again?

 

Yes.

 

14 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

You think comedians should have to tell people they are joking during a comedy act??

 

Do you not understand what a comedy act is? Its literally someone telling jokes. Theres no reason to have to tell people that your joking when your act is telling jokes.

 

 

5 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

Oh, okay. I just want to let the people of the internet know that I've seen you go out in the woods at night under a blood moon and sacrifice your neighbors baby to Satan. You're not actually a Satanist, you just wanted religious immunity for murdering the child because it won't shut up. The bonus is the donations you got from the Satanist church.

 

The fuck did you just say?

 

Please, never doubt people on the internet.

No theres an expectation that there's exaggeration in comedy but not outright making stuff up because that's a terrible joke then. And i said saying something bad about someone is at the least a call for people to dislike that person and that alone can cause damages like the person losing his friends and family or his job

[Okjoek]

11 minutes ago, steelo said:

Not everybody is a victim under capitalism. I'd take a system where just about everybody has the ability to be successful over a system where the government dictates when I get to eat.

 

 Unfortunately, capitalism does have the capacity to create an environment in which large corporations are essentially able to bribe politicians to do their bidding.

 

8 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

Capitalism has taken more people out of poverty than any other system in the history of the world. No begging required.

OK boomers
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel so these are easily digestible:

 

 

[steelo]

1 minute ago, Okjoek said:

 

OK boomers
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel so these are easily digestible:

 

 

Ah, random youtube videos probably created by people who hate everything the free world stands for.

 

Very enlightening.

[Okjoek]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

Ah, random youtube videos probably created by people who hate everything the free world stands for.

 

Enlightening.

What is the free world?

[steelo]

4 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

What is the free world?

For one, nations that don't jail and torture its people for speaking against the 'system'

 

Socialist Venezuela wouldn't be a good example of a 'free' nation where people are generally happy to live.

[RonnieOP]

8 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

 

 

No theres an expectation that there's exaggeration in comedy but not outright making stuff up because that's a terrible joke then. And i said saying something bad about someone is at the least a call for people to dislike that person and that alone can cause damages like the person losing his friends and family or his job

There is no implied expectation that any part joke is factual. That has never ever been the case.

 

If you didnt know that thats on you. Not the joke teller.

[RonnieOP]

6 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

 

OK boomers
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel so these are easily digestible:

 

 

Please take your off topic bs somewhere else.

 

You are contributing literally nothing to the topic at hand.

[steelo]

Just now, RonnieOP said:

Please take your off topic bs somewhere else.

 

You are contributing literally nothing to the topic at hand.

Thank you...he dragged me in. LOL

[TechyBen]

On 12/5/2019 at 6:34 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

This is ridiculous. The government should have no say in what you can and cannot say. PERIOD

 

No matter how offensive or how wrong you are, you should be allowed to say it.

So you recon, as a moderator of this forum... I can say anything about you, LTT and Linus, just say "lol joke" at the end, and never, ever, ever say something I should be told not to, have economic recompense from (a fine) or stopped from posting/publishing? Huuuuuh!?

[RonnieOP]

1 minute ago, TechyBen said:

So you recon, as a moderator of this forum... I can say anything about you, LTT and Linus, just say "lol joke" at the end, and never, ever, ever say something I should be told not to, have economic recompense from (a fine) or stopped from posting/publishing? Huuuuuh!?

Freedom of speech does not extend to private businesses. 

 

You do not have freedom of speech on a forum.

 

Apples to oranges 

[PCGuy_5960]

3 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

So you recon, as a moderator of this forum... I can say anything about you, LTT and Linus, just say "lol joke" at the end, and never, ever, ever say something I should be told not to, have economic recompense from (a fine) or stopped from posting/publishing? Huuuuuh!?

Privately owned tech forum=/=Public spaces and government. Plenty of people criticize Linus and none of aren't banned for it.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

So you recon, as a moderator of this forum... I can say anything about you, LTT and Linus, just say "lol joke" at the end, and never, ever, ever say something I should be told not to, have economic recompense from (a fine) or stopped from posting/publishing? Huuuuuh!?

That depends, is the forum ran by the US government?

[TechyBen]

Just now, RonnieOP said:

Freedom of speech does not extend to private businesses. 

 

You do not have freedom of speech on a forum.

 

Apples to oranges 

But that's exactly the point. IF it is regulated "business are allowed to", it is done so, through government. Or, what do you think a business is, and a government is? Like... Do they both have rules, or not?

 

Both Apples and Oranges are eaten.

[TechyBen]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Privately owned tech forum=/=Public spaces and government. Plenty of people also criticize Linus and none of aren't banned for it.

But, if someone published his pin/password/bank details "lolz, jokes". You said *no* speech should be stopped by government...

[Drak3]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Plenty of people also criticize Linus and none of aren't banned for it.

What?

 

 

No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't say!

 

 

 

/s

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, TechyBen said:

But, if someone published his pin/password/bank details "lolz, jokes". You said *no* speech should be stopped by government...

Huh?

1. Not sure why anyone would do that
2. If you mean someone who publishes someone else's info, you are literally taking about doxxing, which I'm pretty sure is an actual crime.

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

What?

 

 

No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't say!

 

 

 

/s

Did you just criticize me? BANNED

[TechyBen]

2 hours ago, RonnieOP said:

Freedom of speech does 100% give someone a free pass legally to be a dick.

 

And theres nothing wrong with that.

PS, try doing that with a cop...

[TechyBen]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Huh?

1. Not sure why anyone would do that
2. If you mean someone who publishes someone else's info, you are literally taking about doxxing, which I'm pretty sure is an actual crime.

Did you just criticize me? BANNED

Wait. So, if the Comedian Doxxed this kid, then it's illegal? So, doxxing on stage, in a stand up routine is not protected "free speech"? So, you agree, some things are not allowed under free speech?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, TechyBen said:

Wait. So, if the Comedian Doxxed this kid, then it's illegal? So, doxxing on stage, in a stand up routine is not protected "free speech"? So, you agree, some things are not allowed under free speech?

He didn't doxx him though? And doxxing being a crime has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with your right to privacy.

 

Also, not going to get into that debate again.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steelo said:

If I were to say I'm going to blow up the sun tomorrow...there would be some who believed I was serious.

I just think the poor kid has quite a serious disease, and its not really on to make fun of it - although $35,000 is quite a big fine, I think it is based on the many years he told that joke. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can defame someone's character at all. There are two sides to every story however, you can spin this many ways - however unfortunately for the comedian, you cant unsay things on television / theatre. 

 

What would be more appropriate is a public apology. A fine effectively demonstrates nothing to the victim, and this can be viewed as a 'money grabbing' opportunity - keep in mind the comedian did stop this joke after 2013, so its been a few years, probably thought about it for a while and decided it wasn't really on. There just isn't any relevant information to decide from the article about the issue. 

[RonnieOP]

3 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

PS, try doing that with a cop...

You can be a dick to a cop and theres no charge for that.

 

Its not like they can arrest you and say "your being charged with being a dick". 

 

Now it will make life alot easier on you if you arent a dick lol

[Okjoek]

Just now, steelo said:

For one, nations that don't persecute and torture its people for speaking against the government. 

 

Socialist Venezuela wouldn't be a good example.

 

Venezuela is just a poor Sweden or "third-world social democracy". The profit motive is still being employed and there has been no workers revolution.

 

 

 

 

[TechyBen]

Just now, RonnieOP said:

You can be a dick to a cop and theres no charge for that.

 

Its not like they can arrest you and say "your being charged with being a dick". 

 

Now it will make life alot easier on you if you arent a dick lol

Really, like threats and everything? Sounds dangerous.

[RonnieOP]

Just now, floofer said:

I just think the poor kid has quite a serious disease, and its not really on to make fun of it - although $35,000 is quite a big fine, I think it is based on the many years he told that joke. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you can defame someone's character at all. There are two sides to every story however, you can spin this many ways - however unfortunately for the comedian, you cant unsay things on television / theatre. 

 

What would be more appropriate is a public apology. A fine effectively demonstrates nothing to the victim, and this can be viewed as a 'money grabbing' opportunity - keep in mind the comedian did stop this joke after 2013, so its been a few years, probably thought about it for a while and decided it wasn't really on. There just isn't any relevant information to decide from the article about the issue. 

But its a joke. Theres no implied expectation that when someones telling a joke that they are being honest. In fact the opposite is implied.

 

And nothing is off the table when it comes to comedy. Either its all fair game or none of it is.

 

Thats not to say that you can hate certain jokes. But you should still acknowledge them as a joke