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[Gorgon]

On 11/3/2021 at 7:04 PM, leadeater said:

Ah yes, that historic problem 

There's a link to "Request Foundership" at Einstein. I clicked on it to see what would happen and rather than telling me the process it looks like it sent a PM to the current founder and informed me that they had 60 days to respond.

 

If I am assigned the Foundership I will transfer it to our fearless leader @Ithanul Might not be a bad idea to roll through all the active projects and do the same before the Pentathlon in May.

[rkv_2401]

On 11/3/2021 at 6:56 AM, Gorgon said:

Yay! I just attained 2 x @leadeater in World Community Grid.

It’s good to have goals.

 

I would like to get to 0.1x leadeater eventually. It would be a big step up from my 0.01x leadeater.

 

I did recently surpass 2 years of CPU time on WCG though, so yay me!

[rkv_2401]

Welp, tried running Rosetta on my Surface Pro 2 and it said Rosetta needs VirtualBox. Installed VirtualBox and BOINC from scratch(using the package provided on their website) and it says VirtualBox jobs need hardware acceleration, which your CPU doesn't provide. This is an i5-4300U, so not the newest chip on the block - but I do believe older chips are still running Rosetta somehow. @danwat1234 is still running some i5-2400s and even a Core 2 Extreme. Can anyone help me work past this?

[danwat1234]

3 minutes ago, rkv_2401 said:

Welp, tried running Rosetta on my Surface Pro 2 and it said Rosetta needs VirtualBox. Installed VirtualBox and BOINC from scratch(using the package provided on their website) and it says VirtualBox jobs need hardware acceleration, which your CPU doesn't provide. This is an i5-4300U, so not the newest chip on the block - but I do believe older chips are still running Rosetta somehow. @danwat1234 is still running some i5-2400s and even a Core 2 Extreme. Can anyone help me work past this?

It must be because Rosetta doesn't have any non Windows client so it needs to virtually run in virtualbox. If you were to run Windows on your surface it would work fine.

[rkv_2401]

19 minutes ago, danwat1234 said:

It must be because Rosetta doesn't have any non Windows client so it needs to virtually run in virtualbox. If you were to run Windows on your surface it would work fine.

Yes, it is running Win10. Seems to be a problem with virtualization support.The CPU supports it, and task manager says "Virtualization : enabled" as well - hopefully a reboot after reinstalling VirtualBox does the trick.

[rkv_2401]

Nope, seems doomed. Despite virtualization being enabled in Task manager and my CPU supporting hardware virtualization, can't get it to work. Sounds like Rosetta are undergoing some trouble themselves (http://srv1.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=6893&sort_style=6&start=2640 ), so I'll just wait it out.

[danwat1234]

Regular normal Rosetta tasks should run just fine natively on Windows.. yes my computers are not getting any new tasks from that project as well. Nothing wrong with running World Community Grid project too!

[Eschew]

3 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

Thanks for the info. I joined BOINCstats, but I can't seem to add the project to the LTT team. Is this because I had previously added it to the team through the WCG page? When I'm on that site I can see all the team info, as well as the option to quit the team, which leads me to believe I'm joined somehow.

Let's move the conversation over here, to avoid clogging up the F@H and BOINC Badge Request Thread with non-badge clutter.

 

To assign a Team to your Project (in this case, WCG):

• Navigate to the Teams tab.

• Check the Project(s) you'd like to assign a Team to.
• Select Change / Join Team at the bottom of the table.

• Under the Team Name field, enter LinusTechTips, and hit Search.
  • Note: Do not include the underscore " _ ". It tends to mess up the search.

• A drop-down box should appear next to all Projects that were previously checked.
• From the drop-down box, select LinusTechTips_Team (CANADA).
• Select Change / Join Team at the bottom of the table to confirm your selection.

Once you've done the above, it may take some time for the changes to be reflected on the BAM! / BOINCstats site. I've had the changes appear immediately after browsing other pages (e.g. Teams > Projects > Teams), but that's not a guarantee.

 

For new users, teams, and countries, BOINCstats updates daily at 15:00 GMT. I'd suggest exercising a bit of patience.

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At 15:00GMT each day all new info from the XML files is imported into the BOINCstats database. New users/teams/countries are inserted at this point, and daily/weekly/monthly numbers are calculated. When there is no new XML file for more then a day, the stats will show zero credits for those days.

 

The numbers from this update are used to display the numbers on the frontpage and the detailed stats pages.

 

The daily update takes about 2.5 hours to complete.

Read More: F.A.Q. | BOINCstats/BAM!

[rkv_2401]

So I've bought this second module of 8GB DDR4-2666 RAM for my desktop after watching Linus's video about inter-compatibility of RAM modules, but the damn thing doesn't boot in dual channel mode. My first stick is a module of 16GB DDR4-2400 of the same brand and the new module comes with similar timings for 2400Mhz. And I've tried all the configurations, it works if I put the 16GB module in DIMM slot 1(or 4), and the 8GB module in DIMM slot 2(of the same channel). The 8GB module works by itself, as does the 16GB one. Using DIMM slots {1 and 3} or {2 and 4} would operate in dual-channel module. DIMM slots 3 and 4 don't seem to be operational at all, even a single stick inserted in those slots did not get it to boot. The first few times I tried inserting the RAM in dual channel compatible mode, I heard 3 long beeps, which I'm attributing to misconfigured RAM settings in the BIOS, after setting the correct timing it didn't beep but didn't boot either. And to the end I could never get these modules to work in dual-channel. The only thing I haven't tried yet is removing the undervolt on my CPU which I've configured with the BIOS.

 

Would this be a RAM mismatch problem or a motherboard/CPU issue? I was running GIMPS on Prime95 and my R5 3600 is heavily memory-limited....to the point where my i7-10750H @ 2.1Ghz is still 33% faster than the R5 3600 @ 3.6Ghz. If it is a RAM mismatch problem, why is it working in single-channel mode but not in dual-channel?

[Gorgon]

3 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

So I've bought this second module of 8GB DDR4-2666 RAM for my desktop after watching Linus's video about inter-compatibility of RAM modules, but the damn thing doesn't boot in dual channel mode. My first stick is a module of 16GB DDR4-2400 of the same brand and the new module comes with similar timings for 2400Mhz. And I've tried all the configurations, it works if I put the 16GB module in DIMM slot 1(or 4), and the 8GB module in DIMM slot 2(of the same channel). The 8GB module works by itself, as does the 16GB one. Using DIMM slots {1 and 3} or {2 and 4} would operate in dual-channel module. DIMM slots 3 and 4 don't seem to be operational at all, even a single stick inserted in those slots did not get it to boot. The first few times I tried inserting the RAM in dual channel compatible mode, I heard 3 long beeps, which I'm attributing to misconfigured RAM settings in the BIOS, after setting the correct timing it didn't beep but didn't boot either. And to the end I could never get these modules to work in dual-channel. The only thing I haven't tried yet is removing the undervolt on my CPU which I've configured with the BIOS.

 

Would this be a RAM mismatch problem or a motherboard/CPU issue? I was running GIMPS on Prime95 and my R5 3600 is heavily memory-limited....to the point where my i7-10750H @ 2.1Ghz is still 33% faster than the R5 3600 @ 3.6Ghz. If it is a RAM mismatch problem, why is it working in single-channel mode but not in dual-channel?

When you say RAM slot 1 are you referring to the one closest of farthest away from the CPU? I had a b450m DS3H but the VRM exploded on it but the manual shows the slots ordered 4,2,3,1 from the CPU outwards.

 

But if 2 of the slots aren’t working it sounds like one of the channels either on the Integrated Memory Controller or the motherboard is broken.

 

I’d guess the motherboard as I have two Gigabyte motherboards with dead memory channels but the CPUs work in dual channel mode in other motherboards.

 

This could also simply be bent or broken pins on the CPU disabling one of the channels as well or thermal paste in the socket causing issues.

[rkv_2401]

Slot 1 is the one furthest away from the CPU, so I'm using slots 1 and 2 for RAM currently - the furthest away and the one next to that, and of the same channel. In accordance with the manual.

2 hours ago, Gorgon said:

But if 2 of the slots aren’t working it sounds like one of the channels either on the Integrated Memory Controller or the motherboard is broken.

 

I’d guess the motherboard as I have two Gigabyte motherboards with dead memory channels but the CPUs work in dual channel mode in other motherboards.

 

This could also simply be bent or broken pins on the CPU disabling one of the channels as well or thermal paste in the socket causing issues.

Hmm, sounds like there's not much I can do about this then. Gigabyte really aren't that great, huh? I've heard tales of the overheating VRMs on the B450m DS3H, but to have it explode altogether...and all these dead memory channels.

 

Sigh, I was really excited about Prime95. But I can't stand running it when my computer is that inefficient and slow compared to even a 20W mobile i7. Back to mining it goes, then...

 

[Mattias Edeslatt]

13 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

So I've bought this second module of 8GB DDR4-2666 RAM for my desktop after watching Linus's video about inter-compatibility of RAM modules, but the damn thing doesn't boot in dual channel mode. My first stick is a module of 16GB DDR4-2400 of the same brand and the new module comes with similar timings for 2400Mhz. And I've tried all the configurations, it works if I put the 16GB module in DIMM slot 1(or 4), and the 8GB module in DIMM slot 2(of the same channel). The 8GB module works by itself, as does the 16GB one. Using DIMM slots {1 and 3} or {2 and 4} would operate in dual-channel module. DIMM slots 3 and 4 don't seem to be operational at all, even a single stick inserted in those slots did not get it to boot. The first few times I tried inserting the RAM in dual channel compatible mode, I heard 3 long beeps, which I'm attributing to misconfigured RAM settings in the BIOS, after setting the correct timing it didn't beep but didn't boot either. And to the end I could never get these modules to work in dual-channel. The only thing I haven't tried yet is removing the undervolt on my CPU which I've configured with the BIOS.

 

Would this be a RAM mismatch problem or a motherboard/CPU issue? I was running GIMPS on Prime95 and my R5 3600 is heavily memory-limited....to the point where my i7-10750H @ 2.1Ghz is still 33% faster than the R5 3600 @ 3.6Ghz. If it is a RAM mismatch problem, why is it working in single-channel mode but not in dual-channel?

To run dual channel memory you need to have two identical memory sticks. You can't run 1x16 GB and 1x8 GB module in dual channel mode. Either 2x8 GB or 2x16 GB.

[Gorgon]

8 hours ago, Mattias Edeslatt said:

To run dual channel memory you need to have two identical memory sticks. You can't run 1x16 GB and 1x8 GB module in dual channel mode. Either 2x8 GB or 2x16 GB.

It will run dual channel for the memory that matches size then single channel for the excess memory.

[Gorgon]

16 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

Slot 1 is the one furthest away from the CPU, so I'm using slots 1 and 2 for RAM currently - the furthest away and the one next to that, and of the same channel. In accordance with the manual.

Hmm, sounds like there's not much I can do about this then. Gigabyte really aren't that great, huh? I've heard tales of the overheating VRMs on the B450m DS3H, but to have it explode altogether...and all these dead memory channels.

 

Sigh, I was really excited about Prime95. But I can't stand running it when my computer is that inefficient and slow compared to even a 20W mobile i7. Back to mining it goes, then...

 

The DS3H has a weak VRM with just a few stages and a really crappy heatsink and likely not a lot of surface area for the Power Plane. Perfectly fine for a Ryzen 3 but running a Ryzen 5 or 7 (I.e. a 125W rather than a 65W CPU) at high load for long durations will cause the VRM to run really hot.

 

The MOSFET was not what died on mine but a surface mount capacitor blew up and cratered the board.

 

Yes, I have two Gigabyte boards with bad memory channels but they were OK once and I have 10 other Gigabyte boards that are just fine. I can’t say for sure if it was a defect on the motherboards or something stupid I did as I move CPUs around a lot and both these motherboards were installed in my mining frame with dual power supplies so there was great potential for power issues.

[Mattias Edeslatt]

15 hours ago, Gorgon said:

It will run dual channel for the memory that matches size then single channel for the excess memory.

I stand corrected. I truthfully didn't know that because it is always mentioned with paired memory sizes.    

[Gorgon]

5 hours ago, Mattias Edeslatt said:

I stand corrected. I truthfully didn't know that because it is always mentioned with paired memory sizes.    

Linus and Jay both did videos on this in the last year.

[Gorgon]

Such a Tiny little icon:

but a lot of work required to get it.

 

50 years on Mapping Cancer Marker, World Community Grid

[danwat1234]

On 12/19/2021 at 6:31 PM, Gorgon said:

Such a Tiny little icon:

but a lot of work required to get it.

 

50 years on Mapping Cancer Marker, World Community Grid

Wow I see all of your computation towards Einstein too! Looks like your primary. Your house must get pretty warm in the summer.

[Gorgon]

8 hours ago, danwat1234 said:

Wow I see all of your computation towards Einstein too! Looks like your primary. Your house must get pretty warm in the summer.

I actually just do Einstein to keep my 3 Pascal GPUs busy while they wait for Open Pandemics GPU jobs which are few and far between. Mapping Cancer Markers actually gets the majority of my CPU threads but the points are greater for GPU WUs so …

 

I really wish they had more GPU WUs on BOINC for applied research into diseases but at least searching for Neutron Stars is likely more immediately useful than searching for Prime Numbers or proving obscure Mathematical theorems.

 

I scale back Folding at Home and BOINC in the summer to just 12 hours per day (off-peak) and power limit the GPUs to their minimum to reduce the heat load on the air conditioning. Once the cooler weather starts in the fall I move to 16 hours compute (off-peak and mid-peak) and increase the power limits slightly. At least in the fall I’m off-setting my Natural Gas bill with my electricity consumption.

[danwat1234]

Yep, the gas bill. Furnace is never on anymore! Vancouver Washington where I live there is no off peak , always about 8.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Looking at about a $500 bill per month plus green credits with my 85 or so boxes. Summer will be interesting. 3 ton AC gonna be busy. I've been running and building this setup for a bit over 1 month. Mostly Ebay purchases.  You might want to increase hours crunching in order to make sure I never catch up to you.. Together we can level up the team. Has Linus or an employee ever mentioned you or talked to you since you are number one?

What CPUs are you running? Mine r Intels; a mix of 4x2nd gen,  9x3rd,  17x4th gen,   22x6th gen, 2x7th gen, 31x8th gen and some assorted others. 

https://mega.nz/folder/RwVDSYRL#Lj6-eHQLTMvX2nMLuiGTxw

Agreed, GPU for science, why not use them for Folding too? 

Yes, prime 95, and distributed.net I don't think will benefit humankind.. busywork.

Still better than mining crypto though..

[rkv_2401]

17 minutes ago, danwat1234 said:

Yep, the gas bill. Furnace is never on anymore! Vancouver Washington where I live there is no off peak , always about 8.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Looking at about a $500 bill per month plus green credits with my 85 or so boxes. Summer will be interesting. 3 ton AC gonna be busy. I've been running and building this setup for a bit over 1 month. Mostly Ebay purchases.  You might want to increase hours crunching in order to make sure I never catch up to you.. Together we can level up the team. Has Linus or an employee ever mentioned you or talked to you since you are number one?

What CPUs are you running? Mine r Intels; a mix of 4x2nd gen,  9x3rd,  17x4th gen,   22x6th gen, 2x7th gen, 31x8th gen and some assorted others. 

https://mega.nz/folder/RwVDSYRL#Lj6-eHQLTMvX2nMLuiGTxw

Agreed, GPU for science, why not use them for Folding too? 

Yes, prime 95, and distributed.net I don't think will benefit humankind.. busywork.

Still better than mining crypto though..

that's a pretty cool set up. have you looked into setting up renewables(eg solar panels) to offset some of your electricity bill? would help the planet too.

 

make sure you use fireproof insulation around the PCs, maybe a grow tent in the closet/garage? when you're at that scale, I don't think the costs are too high compared to the risk. I wouldn't feel comfortable with one PC running 24/7 in a wooden cabinet, let alone multiple PCs.

[danwat1234]

41 minutes ago, rkv_2401 said:

that's a pretty cool set up. have you looked into setting up renewables(eg solar panels) to offset some of your electricity bill? would help the planet too.

 

make sure you use fireproof insulation around the PCs, maybe a grow tent in the closet/garage? when you're at that scale, I don't think the costs are too high compared to the risk. I wouldn't feel comfortable with one PC running 24/7 in a wooden cabinet, let alone multiple PCs.

Don't have the money for solar yet. Maybe in a few years.

Fireproof insulation would increase case temps? The wood cabinets are open in the back. Smoke alarm nearby. Grow-tent? Would increase space occupied by setup greatly i think. But thanks for bringing up safety.

 

You know how the Enterprise-D has the blinking rectangular modules on the sides of the bridge? I wonder what their purpose was..

[rkv_2401]

Has Rosetta@home still not fixed the Python work units problem? I got the same 'VirtualBox requires hardware support - which your CPU does not provide' on my i5-10400. Task manager reports Virtualization - enabled, same as before. I'm not messing with the system to turn off Hyper-V just in hopes of getting Rosetta to run (doesn't seem to have worked for other users either)

[MrFinn741]

I stopped running Rosetta when I got multiple WUs failing after a split second.

I tested again to run one on a machine I don't check on all that often...

[Gorgon]

On 12/24/2021 at 11:25 PM, danwat1234 said:

Yep, the gas bill. Furnace is never on anymore! Vancouver Washington where I live there is no off peak , always about 8.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Looking at about a $500 bill per month plus green credits with my 85 or so boxes. Summer will be interesting. 3 ton AC gonna be busy. I've been running and building this setup for a bit over 1 month. Mostly Ebay purchases.  You might want to increase hours crunching in order to make sure I never catch up to you.. Together we can level up the team. Has Linus or an employee ever mentioned you or talked to you since you are number one?

What CPUs are you running? Mine r Intels; a mix of 4x2nd gen,  9x3rd,  17x4th gen,   22x6th gen, 2x7th gen, 31x8th gen and some assorted others. 

https://mega.nz/folder/RwVDSYRL#Lj6-eHQLTMvX2nMLuiGTxw

Agreed, GPU for science, why not use them for Folding too? 

Yes, prime 95, and distributed.net I don't think will benefit humankind.. busywork.

Still better than mining crypto though..

My systems are mostly Ryzen (see my sig for details) except for my daily driver, a e3-1231v3 and a lone i9-9900k bought at the start of the Pandemic which is a beast to cool even with a -2 AVX offset and a 280mm EVGA CLC. I bought a 3950x at the same time and should have bought 2 of them instead of the 9900k. Intel can’t touch AMD these days in performance/Watt.

 

I run 8-9 Turing GPUs for folding. I just use the older Pascal GPUs for BOINC as their much less efficient than Turing as they run at a much lower power level on Einstein and OPN than folding.

 

Im happy running the amounts I do as I’ve a fixed budget for electricity to leave some budget for buying new hardware. I’m picking up another 5950x and a 3700x later this week and that will likely be the only hardware I buy this year unless GPU prices return to a snare level.

 

If I cared as much about points I’d run Collatz Conjecture like some here do. For me it’s all about the most points doing COVID, Cancer and Neurological Disease Research within a reasonable power envelope so efficiency really matters.