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Hey there! Can you please help me out with choosing the optimal (cost and reliability) PSU for this configuration?

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Storage Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card $349.42 @ Amazon
Case MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 010 ATX Mid Tower Case  
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $793.38
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-13 01:19 EST-0500  

 

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Would a PSU in Tier D be acceptable for a super low end PC without a dedicated GPU? e.g. AMD Ryzen 2200G with stock configuration, 2 sticks of 2400Mhz RAM, and a SSD + HDD. 

 

The reason I'm asking is because Tier C is listed as being acceptable for "GPUs with no external PCI-e power connection". But if there isn't a GPU at all, does that mean it would be acceptable to drop down to Tier D?

 

"acceptable" to me would mean no catastrophic failures that would take out other components before they become extremely outdated relative to the modern standards at that time, and are due for an upgrade either way.

 

Thanks!

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6 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Could I make a suggestion for a rewrite of the tiering / bump-down section that I think might make it a little easier to read?

I'll put it into the group, but I'll promise nothing

 

4 hours ago, ShafeDogg said:

Gamdias Kratos

added to my list... change was because gamdias had some pretty bad units around, and i was pointed at this one

 

3 hours ago, SenKa said:

Why is the ROG Strix in D tier?

because as far as i can see from internal shots it's the old focus fx, and as i contacted asus they never came to me about it, and seasonic themselves can't answer it for me.

 

6 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

would a Tier E PSU be okay due to its age?

actually... some tier e's are unacceptable in the first place. I've actually seen @Twilight using a system power 9 in an old pentium 2 systrm

 

14 minutes ago, Ambitious_Basket said:

Would a PSU in Tier D be acceptable for a super low end PC without a dedicated GPU?

I'd personally get at least a c, but preferably even b or higher

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7 hours ago, Foorya said:

Hey there! Can you please help me out with choosing the optimal (cost and reliability) PSU for this configuration?

PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $194.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.98 @ Amazon
Storage Kingston A2000 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card XFX Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card $349.42 @ Amazon
Case MSI MAG VAMPIRIC 010 ATX Mid Tower Case  
  Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts  
  Total $793.38
  Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-13 01:19 EST-0500  

 

Something from Tier A or higher and 550w would be more than plenty.

 

Personally, I'd go with the RM550 for that system.

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On 11/12/2019 at 8:43 PM, seon123 said:

The issue was that you said that it was in tier D because of it being super cheap. 

Some people ... It's cheap because it's old group regulated design, it's in tier D because it doesn't meet ATX spec with C6\C7 crossloads because it's group regulated.

14 hours ago, SenKa said:

Why is the ROG Strix in D tier? I read the english review you provided and it didn't seem to denote anything negative...

12 hours ago, MrBrightSyde said:

Because it doesn't meet the requirements to be C tier or higher.

Captain Obvious to the rescue !

No, actually it's basically old revision Seasonic Focus with ASUS branded black heatsinks, no idea why that even matters for the insides of PSU lol. So it's positioned the same as Seasonic Focus FX.

11 hours ago, Ambitious_Basket said:

Would a PSU in Tier D be acceptable for a super low end PC without a dedicated GPU?

See, if you're in US then answer is no, you can get a dirt cheap tier B EVGA GD 500W 2019 for like 50$, there's really nothing cheaper than that worth considering unless you like fireworks (i heard Diablotek units are good for that).

If you're in EU, there's pretty cheap be quiet! System Power PSUs, still tier B. In the rest of the world it might be different tho.

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41 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

i might move it to tier c... depends on reviews

Uh ... Rosewill Capstone 550W then, it's modular even (it got way cheaper recently so it might go up in price again). Or EVGA GQ 650W.

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Is NZXT E 650 a true tier A?

Supposedly it's based on Seasonic  Focus Plus FX, which is in tier D.

I edit my posts more often than not

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23 minutes ago, Tan3l6 said:

Is NZXT E 650 a true tier A?

it is, and you're almost correct

 

it's a MODIFIED fx, with a dedicated ocp rail, which didn't have the ocp issues, which meant it didn't have to be upped, so no reports of it rippling either

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On 11/12/2019 at 5:33 PM, LukeSavenije said:

had a look into it, PSUguru basically told me this

 

So at least Tier B?

I'm greatly above potato, but I'm getting there...

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RAM: TeamGroup T-Force Delta DDR4 Gaming 16GB (2x8GB) 3000MHz 16-17-17-37-58 @ 1.35V,

HARD DRIVE: WD 1TB Blue 
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3 hours ago, Totally Average Gameplay said:

So at least Tier B?

well... technically this does count as problematic performance... so i'll debate it, but expect tier d

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@LukeSavenije, where would Thermaltake Toughpower GX1 & Smart BX1 tiered up ? Looks like Thermaltake is trying to take the crown for the most complicated lineup from EVGA ...

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1 minute ago, Juular said:

@LukeSavenije, where would Thermaltake Toughpower GX1 & Smart BX1 tiered up ? Looks like Thermaltake is trying to take the crown for the most complicated lineup from EVGA ...

i'll add it to the list

 

and for me silverstone still takes the crown

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@LukeSavenije I think I like it generally :) interesting how you do both a text AND graph / sheet. :)  I think the text could maybe be improved to be similar to what I had said, where each higher tier says it meets the next tier below, plus whatever is required for that higher tier.  And I actually like your graph a bit better than what I had in mind - my idea was just yes or no, you went with required, preferred, okay, forbidden basically.

 

I notice in the chart / sheet there's no difference between S and A+, but in the text, A+ allows ACRF.

 

BTW if, AFTER posting, I edit THEN @ you, do you still get the notification?  (I had misclicked or somehow tab and enter or whatever and accidentally submitted the post before it was ready)

 

Oh and on Tier E ... "has heavily malfunctioning protections (OR) is far outdated and not recommended for use with any modern system" .... I wonder if it might be possible (probably in a spoiler, or a separate post?) to have a list of PSUs (maybe including then-popular models no longer in production) that would be okay with more retro systems, because while they may not meet c6/c7, they won't blow up?  (And maybe those can be divided into pre-Haswell, pre-Pentium 4, and pre-ATX?)  Or maybe some kind of a guide on selecting a PSU for a retro system (in situations where a modern PSU would be inadvisable due to being AT vs ATX, or having too small of a 5V rail or whatever), even if you wouldn't name every possible model :P

 

Oh, also ... what about maybe how much ripple, voltage regulation deviation, etc. might be allowed?  For example I'm guessing Tier S might require like 0.25% regulation and 6mV ripple regardless of which rails are loaded & how much, B might be okay with 2% regulation and 40mV ripple, D would be right at the limits of ATX spec.  Also if a PSU is rated for only 40°C it's automatically tier B or lower, 30°C it's automatically C, 25° or unrated it's no higher than D?  (And what else might i have forgotten...)

And what about ... if any single sample of a unit ever, under any circumstance, takes out other components (either during its own death or sacrifices the other part to save itself), it's automatically Tier E? :P  Hehe okay that might be taking it a wee bit too far :D

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10 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

BTW if, AFTER posting, I edit THEN @ you, do you still get the notification?

i do, but i get two of them then, because i follow this as well

11 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

but in the text, A+ allows ACRF.

oh, error on my side... will fix soon

 

12 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

to have a list of PSUs that would be okay with more retro systems

well... i can't do much on the at side of things

 

and i've actually seen occasions with ATX systems that a modern dc-dc works just fine, i saw someone running a pentium 2 system off a system power 9 a while ago

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

i do, but i get two of them then, because i follow this as well

oh, error on my side... will fix soon

 

well... i can't do much on the at side of things

 

and i've actually seen occasions with ATX systems that a modern dc-dc works just fine, i saw someone running a pentium 2 system off a system power 9 a while ago

Ahh interesting :) also you replied while I was making a couple edits. 

I wonder how you'd run a really old retro AT system with a modern ATX supply though :P like pre-486 :D and yeah ... I don't follow the topic lol :P would probably get deluged with notifications so it would make Noah jealous :P

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51 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Oh, also ... what about maybe how much ripple, voltage regulation deviation, etc. might be allowed?  For example I'm guessing Tier S might require like 0.25% regulation and 6mV ripple regardless of which rails are loaded & how much, B might be okay with 2% regulation and 40mV ripple, D would be right at the limits of ATX spec.  Also if a PSU is rated for only 40°C it's automatically tier B or lower, 30°C it's automatically C, 25° or unrated it's no higher than D?  (And what else might i have forgotten...)

that's... something i'm not woken up enough to make something for... i'll see what i can do

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Seasonic PRIME, PX,TX, GX third level from above because there is no stupid multirail and they are reccomended only for systems with 1 GPU?xD ?‍♀️ , aside from that 3/4 of the entire list is made by oem seasonic.

Tier D is also even funnier - potentially dangerous Antec HCG, Earthwatts pro gold/platinium, ROG Strix xD what is this? 
 

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9 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

aside from that 3/4 of the entire list is made by oem seasonic.

ehm... since when?

 

10 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

PRIME, PX,TX, GX third level from above because there is no stupid multirail

what's stupid about it?

 

10 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

potentially dangerous Antec HCG, Earthwatts pro gold/platinium, ROG Strix

maybe look at sources, specifically pceva before you ask questions?

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24 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

because there is no stupid multirail

I assume over temperature protection, over current protection, over voltage protection, over power protection etc are also all stupid...? They are all protections, just like multi rail.

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Absolutely not, but from what you said psu with one strong single rail are bad when the PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality and it's not true that they are not suitable for systems with multiple gpu's.

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1 minute ago, Kaygooo said:

Absolutely not, but from what you said psu with one strong single rail are bad when the PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality and it's not true that they are not suitable for systems with multiple gpu's.

it's a recommendation, not a requirement to have a tier a+ for a multi-gpu system

 

also, considering the methodology i have, and seasonic having their choice of using single rail, it's as it is

 

i do have the question laying around at Seasonic's R&D since June, but haven't heard much back about it ever since

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5 hours ago, Kaygooo said:

3/4 of the entire list is made by oem seasonic.

37 minutes ago, Kaygooo said:

PX/TX/PRIME series are absolutely top of the top when it comes to quality

"How dare you put my precious Seasonic PSUs anywhere lower than the toppest of the top ?"

Seriously tho, look at the sources and tiering methodology, all answers are there.

And there's other PSU OEMs besides Seasonic that make a good quality units. And you can't blindly say that some company product are good quality just because they made other top quality products. That's reviews are for, to determine if it's quality product or not, that's why most units based on Seasonic Focus FX are in tier D (Antec HCG\EW & ASUS Strix).

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Any reason why the Corsair RMi is in the "A+" tier and the RMx is one below in just "A"?

I thought the only difference was the CorsairLINK integration.

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