Windows 10 November 2019 Update - Here is everything you need to know - OUT NOW!

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Oops I meant right. Sorry. Thanks.

I think I wanted to say that the left one remains, but screwed up in my edits. Thanks!

We have one keyboard at work that literally only has the right Win key.  They replaced the left one with the "Fn" key.  As if remembering to use the right key wasn't already annoying enough.

[Salv8 (sam)]

9 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

yup it is that to me of the year.

well thats a stroke!

 

anyways wish me luck bois, going from 1803 to 1809, if this fails i'm backing up and moving to ltsb permently.

[rcorkum]

10 hours ago, circeseye said:

please dont be buggy, please dont be buggy, please dont be buggy, please dont be buggy

but that's there only perfectly functioning feature.

[Arika]

10 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Emoji keyboard keys

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Jito463]

1 hour ago, Salv8 (sam) said:

anyways wish me luck bois, going from 1803 to 1809, if this fails i'm backing up and moving to ltsb permently.

I've been on 1809 for a couple months now.  The only issue I've had is that I just installed the 1809-09 cumulative update a few days ago, and it started hard locking my PC.  I had to remove it, now my system runs normally again.

 

It moved on to the 1809-10 update afterwards, but I think I'll hold off on installing that for now.

[Salv8 (sam)]

47 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

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i delay feature updates by a year and allow security updates to be downloaded and installed when they come out as they tend to be more stable then feature updates and i am also on the Semi-Annual channel and that also helps as well, these are the best options for pro if you want stability (in my case, i couldn't care less about windows ink or something, i just want a stable windows system for my work and games)

[Fetzie]

I'll think about installing this around Christmas

[vanished]

I hope the replacement of the menu key with a quick launcher for office is optional.  I use the menu key much more often than I would ever use a shortcut to Word, particularly on my laptop.  It's good for using spell check.  Without touching the mouse, I can arrow key back to what I just typed, hit menu, down, and enter to replace it with the correct word, and then continue typing more quickly than I could move my cursor over and do the same.

[vanished]

22 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

 Would there be a reliable way to test? I can make sure to install 1904 on the rig I plan to build this weekend, if there's a test I can run then I can repeat it after I update to 1909. CPU will be a 10c/20t 1.70Ghz (it has no turbo) Xeon, if there's a performance increase for high core count CPUs I should notice it. 

I wonder if it's truly any high core count CPU or if they're just using that as a euphemism for modern AMD chips, and what they're doing is giving the scheduler more topology awareness.

[BabaGanuche]

My bet is "a euphemism for modern AMD chips"

[Kilrah]

There's also the "favored cores" features that's supposed to favor usage of cores that are known to be better than others on a given chip:

https://www.techpowerup.com/259688/windows-10-2h19-update-to-have-favored-core-awareness-increase-single-threaded-performance

[NumLock21]

On 10/11/2019 at 1:53 PM, DrMacintosh said:

 

 

 

[williamcll]

Seems like favored cores only applies to Intel chips, no improvements to AMD this patch as the cpu scheduling issue is supposed to be already fixed in 1903.

[Doobeedoo]

Nice, great to see more polish and improvements focused update. I'm fine with features in general, more unified settings and UI like missing dark mode from certain windows would be good to see. But yeah ever other big anual update like a service pack is nice. 

[Brooksie359]

On 10/11/2019 at 2:24 PM, Twilight said:

how about the entire OS? like you know, all other major desktop OS's.... 

I mean you can make the majority of the windows dark mode it's just that task manager is one of the things you can't currently. 

[GoodBytes]

3 minutes ago, Tony Tony Chopper said:

Updated few weeks ago already as got tired of waiting thru insider program, haven't had a single issue surprised they did't just rush out update sooner, for me it fixes performance especially boot times.

While I can't predict the future, so far, it looks like that Microsoft is done rushing release of software and updates. Last version of Windows 10 was trickled released until they are at most sure it is good. Heck, the new Edge web browser based on Chromium... technically they can release it. It is based on final release, but nope, still in beta (although I suspect that it will be released soon for those who want it, and be part of the OS, to replace the old Edge in the following update in year 2020).

 

[bcredeur97]

4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

While I can't predict the future, so far, it looks like that Microsoft is done rushing release of software and updates. Last version of Windows 10 was trickled released until they are at most sure it is good. Heck, the new Edge web browser based on Chromium... technically they can release it. It is based on final release, but nope, still in beta (although I suspect that it will be released soon for those who want it, and be part of the OS, to replace the old Edge in the following update in year 2020).

 

when will they get rid of IE to force businesses to stop using it? lol

[JoostinOnline]

8 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

when will they get rid of IE to force businesses to stop using it? lol

That's an awful idea. Internet Explorer is necessary to use Intranet sites.

[Kilrah]

The whole point is to make it so that it isn't anymore by forcing lazy companies/devs to finally make their sites work on something newer than 15 years old...

[GoodBytes]

29 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

The whole point is to make it so that it isn't anymore by forcing lazy companies/devs to finally make their sites work on something newer than 15 years old...

You know what will happen? They'll remain with Windows 7, and never upgrade.

 

[Levent]

Ooh yeah I cant wait for my shit to be broken for features I never needed.

[vanished]

11 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

That's an awful idea. Internet Explorer is necessary to use Intranet sites.

Actually that's backwards.  It's a good idea to get rid of it, and it's not that we need IE for these sites, it's that these sites need IE, and they need to change.  Way back when the world was just figuring out these relatively new thing called the internet and personal computers and everyone was more or less doing their own thing, IE offered some stuff that made it appealing, and so it was common for sites to develop specifically for it rather than for generally accepted and commonly compatible web standards the way things are done today.  Since then, the rest of the world has moved on for reasons of security, performance, capability, etc. but the legacy of some of these old sites, particularly when backed by thinking like this that prevents them from modernizing, is that they never changed and continue to require legacy systems like IE that by all rights should otherwise be long dead and buried by now, like a technological boat anchor.

 

If other things were run the way people like clinging to IE, YouTube would still be serving up 480p video in Flash Player, we'd communicate with fax machines instead of email or slack or twitter, and people would still rent movies on VHS because "those technologies are necessary to perform that action/enjoy that content".  Flash player is necessary to view Flash content.  Does that mean we should keep it around forever and continue making things use Flash rather than adopt other standard that are superior in accessibility, functionality, and performance?  Of course not.  Just because a pair of a technology and a type of content works as a pair only with each other, doesn't mean that's an excuse or a reason to stick with that paradigm forever.  It just takes a bit of effort and will to break the chain and actually make progress.  Everything else in tech has done so, it's time for this to follow as well.

[Arika]

11 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

That's an awful idea. Internet Explorer is necessary to use Intranet sites.

Don't even want to know ho much work it will take for our IT team to move our Siebel system off IE since it's implementation and how it talks to our other systems to so heavily reliant on IE, shit is bound to break.

[vanished]

21 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Don't even want to know ho much work it will take for our IT team to move our Siebel system off IE since it's implementation and how it talks to our other systems to so heavily reliant on IE, shit is bound to break.

That sounds like all the more reason they should get on it now so they've got plenty of time to test before switching over to something new.  Ignoring the issue is not really a viable long term solution and I think this is not appreciated or understood well enough.  So often I see situations where there's a policy, technology, or just a drawer of trinkets in your room that over time has grown out of control and no one really knows how it works anymore and they're too afraid to touch it in case it breaks as a result - that or they're too lazy, since just building on is always easier than doing it right, at least in the short term.  The smart thing though would be to a) avoid getting into this situation in the first place, but b) if this fails, make every effort to get yourself out of it as quickly as possible, of course without sacrificing quality in the process.  The alternative is to just keep adding more and more blocks to your jenga tower until one day it all falls apart, and then you'll really be sorry.

 

TL;DR, if something starts to bloat out of control, that's your cue to make changes and get it back under control.  If you don't understand your system fully, that is a huge risk.  Don't fall into the trap of "just don't touch it and hope it works forever".

[Master Disaster]

On 10/15/2019 at 7:24 AM, Ryan_Vickers said:

That sounds like all the more reason they should get on it now so they've got plenty of time to test before switching over to something new.  Ignoring the issue is not really a viable long term solution and I think this is not appreciated or understood well enough.  So often I see situations where there's a policy, technology, or just a drawer of trinkets in your room that over time has grown out of control and no one really knows how it works anymore and they're too afraid to touch it in case it breaks as a result - that or they're too lazy, since just building on is always easier than doing it right, at least in the short term.  The smart thing though would be to a) avoid getting into this situation in the first place, but b) if this fails, make every effort to get yourself out of it as quickly as possible, of course without sacrificing quality in the process.  The alternative is to just keep adding more and more blocks to your jenga tower until one day it all falls apart, and then you'll really be sorry.

 

TL;DR, if something starts to bloat out of control, that's your cue to make changes and get it back under control.  If you don't understand your system fully, that is a huge risk.  Don't fall into the trap of "just don't touch it and hope it works forever".

That's not always possible though, where I work for example we still have CNC Mills and Robots running on Windows 95 machines because the software they rely on will literally only work on Windows 95. The company who manufactures the machines has an upgrade solution (to Windows XP) but they want over £10,000 per machine which for a machine that is over 20 years old is scandalous.

 

Luckily the same company is also very good at providing spares should any parts die. A few weeks back they had to replace a motherboard on the Mill because it died and the company sent a replacement board within 48 hours. Considering they're straight up retail computer parts I have no idea where they get them from.