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Such a niche laptop...why's it so much tho?

 

 

Like, we have other niche products that don't charge a premium.

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Just now, kelvinhall05 said:

Like, we have other niche products that don't charge a premium.

It depends on the niche.

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13 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

It depends on the niche.

A phone with a BUILT-IN PROJECTOR

 

I'd say more people would use a mini laptop than a phone with a projector, but idk

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Biggest benefit for speed and smoothness is that M.2 NVMe SSD. My ASUS Transformer moves like a turd just because it runs from eMMC which as we all know is always slow as hell. Even crappy Atom Z8350 isn't really a problem as much as that eMMC storage. If I only had M.2 SATA SSD and it'd be thrilled.

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I've seen less compromises in the space shuttle toilet. 

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How was 4k video playback using so little cpu power? My cpu usage went from ~5% to ~50% when watching the 4k video in firefox on my 4core/4thread 6600k

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This shows promise except that I'm hesitant backing any campaign. I think it's time for GPD to get away from crowd funding and commit to retail. The company has successfully crowd sourced more than one product already. The engineering, R&D, tooling+manufacturing, parts sourcing, PR/marketing etc. is already in place for them. If they still need to be raising money to cover their cash flow then either they are being misleading about their cost, they are not confident in their product or they need a better way to figure out demand and consumer interest. It's one thing to generate hype and another to bring to market a supported product.

 

Back to the topic though, the elephant in the room here is the Surface GO. This really needs to be put up against it for a fair comparison in my opinion, and I don't mean Windows 10 S versus regular Windows or the price difference between the two units. Real world tests like web browsing, using office, watching a movie streaming over wifi, Skype calling (I really hate Skype lately), external connectivity and display quality. Those are the things that would be important for folks looking to get serious use out of it. Then you can compare battery life, thermals, noise, size and weight.

 

I feel this needs a follow-up video. How about it Linus?

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Linus, what USB-C hub do you use? I need one for my laptop!

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1 minute ago, Twilight said:

does it have a touchscreen? Linus didn't mention if it did... 

It does, according to the Indiegogo.

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1 hour ago, poochyena said:

How was 4k video playback using so little cpu power? My cpu usage went from ~5% to ~50% when watching the 4k video in firefox on my 4core/4thread 6600k

Sounds like your HW-accelerated decoding might not be working correctly. My 8700k clocks all the way down to 1GHz and uses ~3% when watching 4K, for example, with the GPU-decoder showing about 35% usage.

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So Linus thinks 16:10 aspect ratio in good but still uses crappy 4:3 in his videos.  So those that buy the GPD P2 Max and watch LTT would use less then 60% of the screen.  Nice!

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2 hours ago, Luscious said:

This shows promise except that I'm hesitant backing any campaign. I think it's time for GPD to get away from crowd funding and commit to retail. The company has successfully crowd sourced more than one product already. The engineering, R&D, tooling+manufacturing, parts sourcing, PR/marketing etc. is already in place for them. If they still need to be raising money to cover their cash flow then either they are being misleading about their cost, they are not confident in their product or they need a better way to figure out demand and consumer interest. It's one thing to generate hype and another to bring to market a supported product.

 

Back to the topic though, the elephant in the room here is the Surface GO. This really needs to be put up against it for a fair comparison in my opinion, and I don't mean Windows 10 S versus regular Windows or the price difference between the two units. Real world tests like web browsing, using office, watching a movie streaming over wifi, Skype calling (I really hate Skype lately), external connectivity and display quality. Those are the things that would be important for folks looking to get serious use out of it. Then you can compare battery life, thermals, noise, size and weight.

 

I feel this needs a follow-up video. How about it Linus?

They do retail sales too. You can buy the pocket 2 on amazon currently for example. They are one of those companies that uses crowd funding for promotion and as a pre order system. If you want to pay retail price you can or you can preorder and save 100+ bucks.

 

As for the surface go. That is a much slower device. Yeah they are both 2 core 4 thread parts but the surface has a pentium. That means no turbo boost so 1.6ghz is all you get. I have a passively cooled device with a core m and even under a sustained heavy load it is 1+ ghz over it's base clock. you are talking about roughly halving cpu performance. The surface also maxes out at 8gb of ram and eMMC storage that maxes out at 128gb. Oh and the surface has basically no io other then its single type c port. Its not really a comparable device imo.

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What is the different between netbook and laptop?

If they are not the same, why not compare that with the same screen size laptop.

 

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2 hours ago, Kroon said:

So Linus thinks 16:10 aspect ratio in good but still uses crappy 4:3 in his videos.  So those that buy the GPD P2 Max and watch LTT would use less then 60% of the screen.  Nice!

He does not shoot in 4:3, he shoots in (I believe) 18:9, which on a 16:9 display leaves small black bars which allow the YouTube interface to appear on hover without obstructing the video.

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36 minutes ago, Age of 9394 said:

What is the different between netbook and laptop?

If they are not the same, why not compare that with the same screen size laptop.

 

Netbooks are a sub category of laptop. Generally speaking it is a small (sub 13 inch) cheap laptop with an atom class processor. They were all the rage a number of years ago before mostly disappearing because they are pretty crap. The modern equivalent would be a chrome book which are generally much better devices because cheap low power cpus have improved a lot and chrome os is much lighter weight then vista or windows 7 were when netbooks peaked in terms of popularity.

 

EDIT: The asus line of EEE PC machines were a pretty common example. They were also known for having really good battery life for the time. Like 10 hours.

 

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7 minutes ago, Dredgy said:

He does not shoot in 4:3, he shoots in (I believe) 18:9, which on a 16:9 display leaves small black bars which allow the YouTube interface to appear on hover without obstructing the video.

 

No clue what they are recording at but they release videos at 3840×2160 witch is 4:3.  If you have a 1920X1080 (16:9 screen) you will only get 1920X960, loosing 11% of the horizontal.  But that is 16:9, the screen in this example was 16:10 so you will loose even more.

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1 minute ago, Kroon said:

 

No clue what they are recording at but they release videos at 3840×2160 witch is 4:3.  If you have a 1920X1080 (16:9 screen) you will only get 1920X960, loosing 11% of the horizontal.  But that is 16:9, the screen in this example was 16:10 so you will loose even more.

What on earth are you talking about. 3840 by 2160 is 4k. It is a 16 by 9 aspect ratio. Besides the whole point of 16:10 is that the additional height is better for things like document creation/viewing and web browsing. It has always been worse for video.

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7 minutes ago, Kroon said:

 

No clue what they are recording at but they release videos at 3840×2160 witch is 4:3.  If you have a 1920X1080 (16:9 screen) you will only get 1920X960, loosing 11% of the horizontal.  But that is 16:9, the screen in this example was 16:10 so you will loose even more.

 

3840*2160 is 16:9. 

 

I watch LTT videos on an iPad (which is a 4:3 display) and they definitely don’t take up the whole screen.

16:9/16:10 makes little difference in videos, I used a 16:10 display for years as my primary next to a 16:9 and the difference is noticeable, but negligible,

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