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Encrypted DNS and SNI Make Pirate Site Blocking Much Harder

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https://torrentfreak.com/encrypted-dns-and-sni-make-pirate-site-blocking-much-harder-190702/

 

For those who do not know about encrypted and SNI:

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With regular DNS queries, ISPs such as BT can see which websites users are trying to access, even when people are using a third-party DNS provider. When DNS queries are encrypted, however, Internet providers can no longer see which websites customers visit. 

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While encrypted DNS will make it harder for ISPs to block sites, it will certainly not be impossible. SNI eavesdropping is still an option, for example.

This may no longer be as easy in the future either. In tandem with increased support for encrypted DNS, more tech companies are embracing encrypted SNI as well, which prevents ISPs from snooping on SNI handshakes.

 

OFC as the title describes their main concern is piracy, and as usual they involve some other good sounding reasons:

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“If internet browser manufacturers switch on DNS encryption by default, they will put users at serious risk by allowing harmful online content to go unchecked.

 

And i guess this part is what they really want to push for:

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“We would expect Internet browsers to provide the same protections, uphold the same standards and follow the same laws as U.K. ISPs currently do,” the association’s spokesperson added.

 

Normally i wouldnt pick up on a hunch, let alone posting a topic about it. But i have a bad feeling about this. I do not think that this spokesperson said this out of its own free will. More likely the media industry already putting pressure on them(call it tinfoil hat theory if you want but its within the media industry's MO). They have several options to thwart this so called "threat" and one is worse than the other. It seems for now they try to put the pressure onto the browser devs , but IDK what is going to be their next step if they fail. Either way its going to be "interesting" to see what course they take.

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Sounds good but I assume most people use a VPN for torrents anyways which means their provider already can´t see it. 

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6 minutes ago, Teddy07 said:

Sounds good but I assume most people use a VPN for torrents anyways which means their provider already can´t see it. 

But the VPN company can, and if they get a court order they cannot hide you anymore.....  Not to mention VPN traffic is easier to spot and block.

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1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

But the VPN company can, and if they get a court order they cannot hide you anymore.

Which is why it’s better to use a VPN outside of your country’s jurisdiction. 

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It’s just as likely that law enforcement and other government agencies are pushing against DNS encryption.

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1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

their main concern is piracy

Which shouldn't be the ISP's concern anyway.

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If internet browser manufacturers switch on DNS encryption by default, they will put users at serious risk by allowing harmful online content to go unchecked.

Not ONCE has my ISP "protected" me from harmful content. Thanks, but no thanks.

1 hour ago, jagdtigger said:

But the VPN company can, and if they get a court order they cannot hide you anymore.....  Not to mention VPN traffic is easier to spot and block.

Why would they get a court order if they don't know what they're doing? Why do you assume wanting to run torrents privately means you're doing something illegal?

 

Also this isn't a problem if you use Tor.

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31 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Why do you assume wanting to run torrents privately means you're doing something illegal?

Because the Record Companie$$$ and Movie Companie$$$ have told them that the only use for torrents is piracy.

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55 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Which shouldn't be the ISP's concern anyway.

Not ONCE has my ISP "protected" me from harmful content. Thanks, but no thanks.

Why would they get a court order if they don't know what they're doing? Why do you assume wanting to run torrents privately means you're doing something illegal?

 

Also this isn't a problem if you use Tor.

They can watch trackers and collect IP's from swarms, that way they get to the VPN company....

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8 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

They can watch trackers and collect IP's from swarms, that way they get to the VPN company....

And then what, they get a court order for ALL of their customers without even knowing who they are?

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3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

And then what, they get a court order for ALL of their customers without even knowing who they are?

Yup, and according to the RIAA/MPAA/etc. an IP = a real person 100% of the time

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10 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

It happened before:

https://proprivacy.com/privacy-news/hide-ass-user-arrested

 

There is no knowing for sure if a VPN provider says the truth or not until some way they get caught....

That seems like a case where a specific user was suspected of a crime, not a case where the VPN was asked to just hand over everything because some users might be pirating things.

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1 minute ago, Sauron said:

That seems like a case where a specific user was suspected of a crime, not a case where the VPN was asked to just hand over everything because some users might be pirating things.

They doing it with ISP's, its a matter of time until they start doing it to VPN providers. Plus the UK is leaving the EU so the IP could be used as evidence once again as soon as it happens....

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4 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

the UK is leaving the EU

Gonna believe that when I see it

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1 hour ago, HarryNyquist said:

Because the Record Companie$$$ and Movie Companie$$$ have told them that the only use for torrents is piracy.

Which wouldn't be legally actionable since it violates the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (specifically article 11, the presumption of innocence)

 

31 minutes ago, Lurick said:

Yup, and according to the RIAA/MPAA/etc. an IP = a real person 100% of the time

According to the RIAA, Limewire owed them $75 trillion in damages. Their opinions and statements are best served with a generous application of salt.

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3 hours ago, jagdtigger said:

But the VPN company can, and if they get a court order they cannot hide you anymore.....  Not to mention VPN traffic is easier to spot and block.

Unless you are using a garbage VPN they wont keep logs, are outside of the 14 eyes, and have a canary watch

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Unless you are using a garbage VPN they wont keep logs, are outside of the 14 eyes, and have a canary watch

Good point, but it is hard to verify anything a company says without braking open their system.. ;) 

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48 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Good point, but it is hard to verify anything a company says without braking open their system.. ;) 

Right that’s why you pay with bitcoins 

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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Right that’s why you pay with bitcoins 

They will have your real IP so no point in wasting you money on that ;) .

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