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On 5/30/2019 at 7:26 AM, Miguel552 said:

Cutting myself every time!

That's the blood sacrifice to the PC gods. Consider yourself lucky. Now that PC will run for 20+ years.

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17 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

just bricked my motherboard by updating the bios

didn't power off or do anything, it just bricked after the update ended

why cant manufacturer get it right? it's not rocket science.

Dual BIOS (or backup ROM) to recover from a botched flash should be standard IMHO. I can understand budget base MB or OEM's not having that option however.

 

I do like the ASRock Flashback feature however.

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The SpinQ.

March 28th can't come too soon...

Also, motherboards that have VGA, the FX "cores" that weren't, Intel's stupid memory limitations, and the bulk of the 24-pin connector.

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1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

just bricked my motherboard by updating the bios

didn't power off or do anything, it just bricked after the update ended

why cant manufacturer get it right? it's not rocket science.

You have to contact their support.

But I find ridiculous, that BIOS/UEFI chip isn't socketable.

This is not early 2000 anymore, nor motherboards are cheap. Heck some boards sell well over 300$ which wasn't ever normal for none crazy OC models, and even the 700$+ models, the motherboard manufacturers can't spare the dime on a socket and matching chip. I am sure these manufacturers make huge amount of money. Like I know they like to pretend that the CEO and employees. live in a tent and barely make by, but I call b.s.

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6 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

But I find ridiculous, that BIOS/UEFI chip isn't socketable.

My AM3 ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 has a socketable BIOS chip.

I almost broke it.

But it works fine.

And yet my Am4 ASUS ROG Strix B350-F Gaming board doesn't.

 

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The fucking CPU getting stuck to mah cooler!!!

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When you build the entire PC and one thing, only that ONE THING doesn't work

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33 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

You have to contact their support.

But I find ridiculous, that BIOS/UEFI chip isn't socketable.

This is not early 2000 anymore, nor motherboards are cheap. Heck some boards sell well over 300$ which wasn't ever normal for none crazy OC models, and even the 700$+ models, the motherboard manufacturers can't spare the dime on a socket and matching chip. I am sure these manufacturers make huge amount of money. Like I know they like to pretend that the CEO and employees. live in a tent and barely make by, but I call b.s.

Remember Dual BIOS? Pepperidge Farm remembers....

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The AWFUL design of the usb 3 motherboard plug. It's stiff, easy to break, and ugly.

 

Though I did find a fix for the housing ripping off the motherboard when you try to pull the cable out. Get an exacto knife and cut off the little notches on the connector wire.

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I only dislike how it takes more time than I think it would. 

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  • Rgb being a huge premium (compared to non rgb stuff) when the parts cost 1-2$ more.
  • Intel (kidding)
  • Not being able to use your stuff to the point that you paid for (where I have problems with Intel)
  • Nothing working when you want it to
  • One problem being fixed by reseating something unrelating (once a ram reseat made the problems I had with hdds not being detected stop)

 

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I have always hated installing IO shields - It's a pain to get them installed and they are as sharp as a razor (one time i got cut without noticing and bled all over the graphics card)

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Just now, Vishera said:

I have always hated installing IO shields - It's a pain to get them installed and they are as sharp as a razor (one time i got cut without noticing and bled all over the graphics card)

Gloves my friend, gloves.

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1 hour ago, Vishera said:

I have always hated installing IO shields - It's a pain to get them installed and they are as sharp as a razor (one time i got cut without noticing and bled all over the graphics card)

As an expert in building computers, proven by my wonderful track record of have 0 returning customers, which of course means one thing: that each of them has 0 computer problems, ever. I am that good, of course. I recommend using a sledge hammer to fit those in. My style is a bit avant-guard to some, but the end result is that they are just shocked when I give them their new system. Completely shocked and speechless. It must be because I am that good. Of course, it is!

I think it is because of the unique case design they end up. Even if you order the same case as another with me, it will have its own unique curves here and there. Real art has indeed no words, as the saying goes.

 

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The following things I can come up with:

- Parts not fitting at all how you planned it. Last time 3rd time was the charm when finally fitting my AIO. Had to replace the HDD positions the first 2 times, wasting a lot of time.

- Screws not fitting properly like they should/ripping threads

- LED strips with adhesive backs that don't stay on forever, I have a habit now of pushing a strip coming off every time I start my PC (it's on the edge of the case opening)

- TIme consuming/wasting because of unexpected things happening. A build before that I planned to do in a few hours turned out to take 3 afternoons of building!

- Things that only fit way too tightly, you would be scared they break

- AM4 socket brackets. First time ever doing a Ryzen build, these things were on crazy tight and I was scared to break the motherboard trying to screw them off. The top of the screws were mashed to unusable again.

- Non-compatibility of parts/old parts getting unusable. Right now I'm having a hard time making my Windows 7 only gaming mouse to work with macros on Windows 10.

- Lastly and most important, after the build: dust. Some parts are so hard to clean, I dislike to use canned air personally.

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25 minutes ago, FRD said:

- Screws not fitting properly like they should/ripping threads

This. I have some older hardware with screwy screw pitches. Some things use coarse thread, some use fine thread, some use little screws, some use regular, some standard and some metric. Ugh!

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You know when the GPU bracket doesn't fit to the bracket mounting points in the case? Annoying. Oh, and don't forget about the M.2 standoffs that they give you with motherboards. And in semi-modular and non-modular PSUs, trying to hide the other PCIe power connector is painful.

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  • Scalpers and Bots buying all the stock
  • Elitist saying you can only do a thing a certain way
  • Sharp edges on Components such as on IO Shields, CPU Tower Coolers and on older or cheaper cases.
  • Molex
  • Everything RGB, I freaking hate it and won't buy any RGB Components for my personal rig. Except when the Mobo or GPU has it then I don't care because you can turn it off in Software.
  • Nvidia and Intel in particular with their thousand different skus of one Product and obsurd naming schemes.
  • Apple having to make everything thinner thus making OEMs having to follow the stupid trend.
  • Installing AIOs, have installed enough in Client Builds that should I ever choose to Water Cool something Ima go the Custom route straight away.
  • Cases with Tempered glass and virtually Zero airflow.
  • AHCI or Sata M.2 SSDs and people not knowing the difference between them and NVMe drives.
  • People building over the top and non balanced builds.
  • Going for looks over specs

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I've built every PC I've had but my first (excluding laptops) going back to the mid 1990's and I enjoy the challenges that come with each build. I've been known to build a new system simply to build one and not because there was a real NEED. Most people who build a PC want their "custom" touch, their personalization of each build otherwise we'd all just buy macs. In the vein even though we complain we really don't want too much standardization.

 

1. Keeping the above in mind, standardizing the way the front panel (pwr, reset, hdd led, power led) would be nice. Until that happens I've found using 4 or 6 inch locking forceps invaluable for plugging those niggly buggers in while in tight spaces.

 

2. I too miss the Lian Li slide out mobo trays. Why this didn't catch on with other case makers or Lian Li stopped doing it is beyond my comprehension. 

 

3. Last little niggly point is directed at NZXT. and their cases. The Hx10 lineup specifically. The h210 has a removable front panel. The H710 has a removable front panel. Why the hell does the H510 have a solid front panel and not a removeable one as do all of the other cases in this series? NZXT a little consistency please. Sheesh.

 

 

 

 

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Something just kept in mind that I hate again. It's mostly stupid PSUs, but also the cases fault. So you have a lot of cases where you can mount the SATA SSDs on the bottom. However, whether you use cheap or high end PSUs, they almost always have angled or 90-degree SATA power connections. Which means you need to connect the SATA plug to the SSD first and then install it, ending up in a angled PSU connector facing down and literally being pushed and crammed by the force of the mounted SSD. I've always thought this was stupid and a bit afraid that it would damage the connectors. Only solution: Not mounting the SSD fully nor tightly to the bottom of the case.
Anyone else ever got a solution for this little annoyance?

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Some case where good cable management is impossible because of the lack of space

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I/O shields that are not stuck to the motherboard. Installing af motherboard with a pre-attatched I/O shield also looks a lot cleaner.

 

Fitting issues doesn't really bother be. All of os us have different things we care about and there is a lot of parts to choose from. I like the Sata ports in the side next to the PCI-E X16 slot, that way the GPU hides the wires. Just to name one.

 

I am however easily irritated by noise, and the manufactures of fans piss me off, where do they get their db ratings from, the vacuum of space???

"Silent" fans that are actually loud, and yet the move less air than required to move a leaf.

I have been few quite the iteration of fans and coolers to finally silence my PC. At least until it starts gaming. Nothing to do at that point.

GPU manufactures won't even try to give the GPU's a db rating at any speed, so we noise senstive customers get the tiniest chance at getting the least noisy GPU.

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Probably cable management more than anything... To the point where I've done some pretty sloppy jobs just to have things "good enough" and not too obstructed and just called it good. 

 

I'm almost ashamed to post a pic of my most disgusting management. Actually, my original PSU had died at the time. I left it in and left the wires all over, and then just used a new one externally and plugged everything in. So I had multiple tentacles of wires overflowing out of the case LMAO

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