Thunderbolts and Lighting, Very Very Frightening - Asrock Announces X570 motherboard with Thunderbolt 3

[Syntaxvgm]

8 hours ago, Drak3 said:

At the cost of other rear IO.

 

I know which board I'm avoiding.

Yah I'm really not sure with this one. My mbp is annoying, and USBc has a lot of problems, but this pic that I posted on reddit to make fun of it (there's also a mini dp to full dp adapter between the dp and dldvi adapters not pictured)

Really shows the power of the port, you can do almost anything with usbc, and with thunderbolt 3 my boss has 2 4k screens and all of his peripherals on one plug including power using this dock so when he brings his laptop in, it's as good as the old latching docks.
https://www.caldigit.com/ts3-plus
TB3 is also way more reliable  than usbc but the adapters are also way more expensive. Either way I'm not sure I could do as much with only 4 of any other ports, only 2 of which I actually need. 

 

I did the dongle mess because it was cheaper (and I already had a lot of the adapters) and I strapped it under my desk for a total of 2 plugs. With the dock, I would have still needed an active DL DVI adapter for one of the legacy 1440p screens I use. 

Now, I'm not sure I like the lack of usb ports, but I do like more motherboards having usbc and thunderbolt. I used to carry an itx pc, and this would have been so cool to have this all down to one plug, though im sure I'd still have to plug power in. 

[Trixanity]

20 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Intel licensed the tech out to AMD. Though given the recent developments in the CPU space, that might not have been the best idea. With Thunderbolt on Ryzen, Intel no longer has an I/O advantage. 

Can't find evidence for AMD licensing it. No, a board vendor implementing it does not mean AMD involvement.

It just requires a compatible TB3 controller.

[Ithanul]

7 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

this thread: OMG THUNDERBOLT ON X570

me:

 

❤

Yep, such a smexy ITX.

I probably will later find an used one to add to my collection as I like to collect AsRock ITX boards.  Which reminds me, I still need to get the x299 ITX they made and maybe some day get my hands on this one: 

Spoiler

 

[Trixanity]

8 hours ago, GoldenLag said:

yup. 

 

but in high end laptops, what is stopping them from doing HBM controllers or similar. singel stack of HBM should be enough. 

 

for reference when i came to 16 compute units. 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-560.c2940

 

its 123mm^2. so a roughly 70% shrink is enough to make it fit nicely. 

 

https://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/7nm.htm

Too expensive I'd wager. That's usually the reason why they don't do anything spectacular. Otherwise they may as well just let the die size go up for extra everything and some large L4 cache while we're at it. 

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Too expensive I'd wager. That's usually the reason why they don't do anything spectacular. Otherwise they may as well just let the die size go up for extra everything and some large L4 cache while we're at it. 

Why would HBM be too expencive for high end laptops?

 

An external mx150/250 is more expencive than a single stack of HBM. 

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20 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

My mbp is annoying

That's nothing you can't solve with some double-sided tape. 

 

[RoseLuck462]

Damn that's sexy!

[Nowak]

8 hours ago, Drak3 said:

At the cost of other rear IO.

 

I know which board I'm avoiding.

My Z370 Extreme4 (funnily enough, another ASRock board) has more rear I/O than this board.

 

I don't get what it is with high-end, expensive boards (I assume this costs over $200?) and lacking rear I/O.

[Trixanity]

34 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

Why would HBM be too expencive for high end laptops?

 

An external mx150/250 is more expencive than a single stack of HBM. 

I've yet to see an HBM implementation in anything cheap so it must be problematic and/or expensive. It seems unlikely that they forgo it just for funsies. On the contrary we see external GPUs in cheap machines.

[GoldenLag]

54 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

I've yet to see an HBM implementation in anything cheap so it must be problematic and/or expensive

Problematic? Its only more expencive than GDDR.

 

HBM get expencive in consumer GPUs because it can very easily add 100$ to the cost of manufacture. 

 

In terms of high end laptops that isnt a concern. 

[Trixanity]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Problematic? Its only more expencive than GDDR.

 

HBM get expencive in consumer GPUs because it can very easily add 100$ to the cost of manufacture. 

 

In terms of high end laptops that isnt a concern. 

So I guess AMD just isn't aware that it's possible to put HBM into an APU. Someone should tell them.

[Dabombinable]

This makes me think that half the problem with adoption in desktops, has been lack of actual PCIe bandwidth.

[GoldenLag]

7 hours ago, Trixanity said:

So I guess AMD just isn't aware that it's possible to put HBM into an APU. Someone should tell them.

?

 

They have had no market share for years........ There has been little to no need for more bandwidth. And they allready know they can use HBM. Like with the vega 20 chips in macs

[leadeater]

10 hours ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Yah I'm really not sure with this one. My mbp is annoying, and USBc has a lot of problems, but this pic that I posted on reddit to make fun of it (there's also a mini dp to full dp adapter between the dp and dldvi adapters not pictured)

It might have a few less rear I/O but you still have front I/O, some cases might be a bit older and only have 3.0 or something like that but I doubt many would be limited by the number of I/O ports that you can have. Rear I/O is inconvenient, you'll either use it for permanent things or plug in a HUB extender otherwise front I/O is the way to go.

[apoclypse]

On 5/29/2019 at 9:07 AM, Quadriplegic said:

There are some audio interfaces that require Thunderbolt. For productivity, this is huge news.

Yep. This. I use a Thunderbolt Audio interface that was quite expensive and imo USB interfaces just don't perform as well.