Posted April 7, 2019 A lot of people I know are still using DDR3 in their systems. Is the boost in memory speed really that big of a deal that DDR4 would be a massive upgrade instead of sticking with DDR3? I suppose I like a chairs a little too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 DDR3 -> DDR4 requires new motherboard and processor, its part of a platform upgrade not an individual upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 id stick with DDR3 if you are on it, its not like you can throw in DDR4 stick in a DDR3 mobo so you would have to do a whole platform update to change I spent $2500 on building my PC and all i do with it is play no games atm & watch anime at 1080p(finally) watch YT and write essays... nothing, it just sits there collecting dust... Builds: The Toaster Project! Northern Bee! The original LAN PC build log! (Old, dead and replaced by The Toaster Project & 5.0) Spoiler "Here is some advice that might have gotten lost somewhere along the way in your life. #1. Treat others as you would like to be treated. #2. It's best to keep your mouth shut; and appear to be stupid, rather than open it and remove all doubt. #3. There is nothing "wrong" with being wrong. Learning from a mistake can be more valuable than not making one in the first place. Follow these simple rules in life, and I promise you, things magically get easier. " - MageTank 31-10-2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure that DDR4 is faster in clock speed to keep up with CPU bus speeds, but has larger latency and slower timings compared to DDR3. I may be chatting arse here but I'm sure that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 Author I am aware that ddr4 will not work on older motherboards, all I'm asking, is if you had the available money to make an upgrade to ddr4 and a new motherboard, would it be worth it? I suppose I like a chairs a little too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 For just the RAM upgrade no. As a whole platform upgrade depends on how you use your system, but DDR4 is not the considering factor for an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 I also use DDR3 RAM, I don't see any benefit from switching now. As @Snipergod87 said, it comes with buying new Motherboard, and CPU (which is most likely the most expensive part of your PC). I upgraded my kit from 8GB to 16GB with used RAM from eBay and that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Curious Pineapple said: Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure that DDR4 is faster in clock speed to keep up with CPU bus speeds, but has larger latency and slower timings compared to DDR3. I may be chatting arse here but I'm sure that's the case. it has higher latency multipliers overall but still lower real time latency, since a multiplier, such as CAS 16, doesn't represent a literal latency value. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 4:52 PM, Curious Pineapple said: Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure that DDR4 is faster in clock speed to keep up with CPU bus speeds, but has larger latency and slower timings compared to DDR3. I may be chatting arse here but I'm sure that's the case. Latency is roughly the same across all ddrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Firewrath9 said: Latency is roughly the same across all ddrs. Can't remember where I saw the info, may have been a 3 vs 4 video or possibly an integrated GPU test where it was mentioned that the overall performance of DDR3 and 4 is about the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, TheChairSalesman said: I am aware that ddr4 will not work on older motherboards, all I'm asking, is if you had the available money to make an upgrade to ddr4 and a new motherboard, would it be worth it? For the average or even enthusiast consumer, no, not at all. If you needed a new motherboard because you were upgrading your CPU, sure, but honestly it wouldn't be because of speed or performance, it would simply be because you have to anyway if upgrading the entire platform. I still run an i7-4790K & DDR3 at the moment, and see absolutely zero benefit in upgrading my RAM, let alone processor, because my workload doesn't require it. Desktop: KiRaShi-Intel-2022 (i5-12600K, RTX2060) Mobile: OnePlus 5T | REDACTED - 50GB US + CAN Data for $34/month Laptop: Dell XPS 15 9560 (the real 15" MacBook Pro that Apple didn't make) Tablet: iPad Mini 5 | Lenovo IdeaPad Duet 10.1 Camera: Canon M6 Mark II | Canon Rebel T1i (500D) | Canon SX280 | Panasonic TS20D Music: Spotify Premium (CIRCA '08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 7, 2019 Author 41 minutes ago, Snipergod87 said: For just the RAM upgrade no. As a whole platform upgrade depends on how you use your system, but DDR4 is not the considering factor for an upgrade. Thanks for the infromation, I just wanted to know. I suppose I like a chairs a little too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 6 hours ago, TheChairSalesman said: A lot of people I know are still using DDR3 in their systems. Is the boost in memory speed really that big of a deal that DDR4 would be a massive upgrade instead of sticking with DDR3? Depends. What you have, what you want and so on... But it might be worth to look into what's coming and what's available. My recommendation is to wait for AMD's Zen 2 release at the end of next month and see if its worth for that. But I wouldn't spend (much) money on DDR3 Systems right now... "Hell is full of good meanings, but Heaven is full of good works" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 The only issue with DDR3 is that its not easy to find in brick and mortar stores like microcenter or best buy, but otherwise you are still fine using DDR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 10 hours ago, TheChairSalesman said: A lot of people I know are still using DDR3 in their systems. Is the boost in memory speed really that big of a deal that DDR4 would be a massive upgrade instead of sticking with DDR3? To be more blunt: Its the wrong question. Its not about the Memory. Its about the Rest. Meaning the CPU and the other parts you have. DDR3 SDRAM was first introduced in the late 2000s, at the end of the Lifetime of the COre 2 Architecture on the INtel Side and Phenom on the AMD side (Phenom supported both DDR2 and 3 Memory). With such old Systems, you're lost, there is nothing you can do and it should be replaced. the latest DDR-3 SDRAM Systems were Bulldozer on the AMD Side (AM3+ and FM2+), again, not worth. And on Intel Side its LGA2011 with Ivy Bridge-E CPUs (49xx and the useless 4820) as well as Haswell and on rare occasions Broadwell in LGA1150. With the latter ones you might be fine for another year or two something like that. About the Memory: THe Bandwith was increased dramatically though the Latency did not really change much at all. "Hell is full of good meanings, but Heaven is full of good works" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 Not comparing ram at that point then. Just cpus. Yes, world of an upgrade. Some people have low expectations like 60 FPS gamers. Telling me a 4790k is still a good cpu, maybe if you like to play solitaire. Main RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 9900k, ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero, G.Skill Ripjaws 3600 32GB, 3090FE, EVGA 1000G5, Acer Nitro XZ3 2560 x 1440@240hz Spare RIg Lian Li O11 AIR MINI, I7 4790K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 2400 32Gb, EVGA 1080ti, 1080sc 1070sc & 1060 SSC, EVGA 850GA, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said: Not comparing ram at that point then. Just cpus. Yes, world of an upgrade. Some people have low expectations like 60 FPS gamers. Telling me a 4790k is still a good cpu, maybe if you like to play solitaire. Excuse me but my FX 8350 was able to pump out 31 FPS @ 4k with a RTX Titan. That's all the eyes can seeeeeeeeeeeee........................................................................................... lol Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display Wifes Rig: ASRock B550m Riptide, Ryzen 5 5600X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6700 XT, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker RAM, ARESGAME AGS 850w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750, 500gb Crucial m.2, DIYPC MA01-G case My Rig: ASRock B450m Pro4, Ryzen 5 3600, ARESGAME River 5 CPU cooler, EVGA RTX 2060 KO, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz TeamGroup T-Force RAM, ARESGAME AGV750w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750 NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 3tb Hitachi 7200 RPM HDD, Fractal Design Focus G Mini custom painted. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 5 3600,ASRock B450M Pro4 (3dmark.com) Daughter 1 Rig: ASrock B450 Pro4, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 4.2ghz all core 1.4vCore, AMD R9 Fury X w/ Swiftech KOMODO waterblock, Custom Loop 2x240mm + 1x120mm radiators in push/pull 16gb (2x8) Patriot Viper CL14 2666mhz RAM, Corsair HX850 PSU, 250gb Samsun 960 EVO NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, 512GB TeamGroup MP30 M.2 SATA III SSD, SuperTalent 512gb SATA III SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37004594? Daughter 2 Rig: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700, Sapphire Nitro+ R9 Fury Tri-X, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, Cougar MX330-X Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 Just now, Mr. horse said: My e5-1680v2 (same gen) goes head to head with ryzen and in some cases does better then some ryzen setups. Should handily beat a 2700X, Tech Yes City has done a 3 or 4 part versus series with a 1680v2, 2700X, and 9900K, the Xeon holds it's own easily. Has the advantage of quad channel DDR3 as well, and X58 runs triple channel. The usual consumer stuff is dual channel and loses out in mem bandwidth to DDR4 pretty much all the time IIRC. Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread Main PC CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block Storage: 1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM OS: Windows 11 Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel) Mouse: EVGA X17 Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3 Other Misc Devices: iPod Video (Gen 5.5E, 128GB SD card swap, running Rockbox), Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. horse said: My e5-1680v2 (same gen) goes head to head with ryzen and in some cases does better then some ryzen setups. Then that sounds like Ryzen is a crap cpu. But like I said, not everyone has the same expectations. Not capping my frames for weak cpus and more. Main RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 9900k, ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero, G.Skill Ripjaws 3600 32GB, 3090FE, EVGA 1000G5, Acer Nitro XZ3 2560 x 1440@240hz Spare RIg Lian Li O11 AIR MINI, I7 4790K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 2400 32Gb, EVGA 1080ti, 1080sc 1070sc & 1060 SSC, EVGA 850GA, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 Just now, Mr. horse said: In deed, they OC really well too. More often then not the Motherboard craps out before the CPU retches its max stable speed. And quad channel DDR3 at 2400mhz is rather fast. Noice. I run my 1600MHz CL9 kit at 2050Mhz or so CL10 (RAM speed is not exact since it's X58 and you use the BLCK to OC which changes everything up), it's no slouch either. Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread Main PC CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block Storage: 1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM OS: Windows 11 Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel) Mouse: EVGA X17 Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3 Other Misc Devices: iPod Video (Gen 5.5E, 128GB SD card swap, running Rockbox), Nintendo Switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. horse said: My 1680v2 likely even goes neck and neck with your 8700k. I know the setup is faster then my 7700k setup had. I wouldn’t know. My 8700k isn’t good either, waste of time and money. But it proved my point. Main RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 9900k, ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero, G.Skill Ripjaws 3600 32GB, 3090FE, EVGA 1000G5, Acer Nitro XZ3 2560 x 1440@240hz Spare RIg Lian Li O11 AIR MINI, I7 4790K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 2400 32Gb, EVGA 1080ti, 1080sc 1070sc & 1060 SSC, EVGA 850GA, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. horse said: ok then. What is a good CPU? I mean a 8700k is a rather high end CPU and not really that old. Idk, I don’t own every one in the world. But given the lack of performance in the games I play with such an old card, I’d expect more. Main RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 9900k, ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero, G.Skill Ripjaws 3600 32GB, 3090FE, EVGA 1000G5, Acer Nitro XZ3 2560 x 1440@240hz Spare RIg Lian Li O11 AIR MINI, I7 4790K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 2400 32Gb, EVGA 1080ti, 1080sc 1070sc & 1060 SSC, EVGA 850GA, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mr. horse said: You have a 1080ti? That's hardly old. Just about every game I play on my 7970s and 1680v2 plays at 60FPS if not more. And they're about 6 years old. I'm guessing you have like 3 4k monitors or something? I can't see why one would say a 8700k and 1080ti is slow. Slower then a 9900k and 2080ti yes, but not slow in general. No, I have a 1080. As my sig says. The 8700k rig uses a 1080p monitor. Only way that card will have good frames on max setting with the games I play. Did ok on my old 120hz monitor as it gets 150 frames average or so. Main RIg Corsair Air 540, I7 9900k, ASUS ROG Maximus XI Hero, G.Skill Ripjaws 3600 32GB, 3090FE, EVGA 1000G5, Acer Nitro XZ3 2560 x 1440@240hz Spare RIg Lian Li O11 AIR MINI, I7 4790K, Asus Maximus VI Extreme, G.Skill Ares 2400 32Gb, EVGA 1080ti, 1080sc 1070sc & 1060 SSC, EVGA 850GA, Acer KG251Q 1920x1080@240hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted April 9, 2019 DDR3 is certainly still competitive. PSU Nerd | PC Parts Flipper | Cable Management Guru Helpful Links: PSU Tier List | Why not group reg? | Avoid the EVGA G3 Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server) Full Specs Spoiler Helios EVO (Main): Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14 Pacific Spirit XT - Server Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M Delta - Laptop ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger Intel is bringing DDR4 to the mainstream with the Intel® Core™ i5 6600K and i7 6700K processors. Learn more by clicking the link in the description below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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