Motherboard Tier List (EOL)

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, GrockleTD said:

Why? It is pretty much the taichi with a monoblock slapped on it.

yep, it's not 70a infineons, so not as tasty

[Jurrunio]

2 hours ago, WarriorProphet said:

Add this to the x570 god tier:

 

 

https://youtu.be/7bi8gdfxfdY

 

Already in the H2O tier because it cannot cool its VRM without liquid cooling. It's very good after that, but still, need to seperate it from those that can live without liquid cooling in case some idiots try to air cool with that.

 

@GrockleTD it's actually a waterblock on the Creator, not the Taichi.

[GrockleTD]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Already in the H2O tier because it cannot cool its VRM without liquid cooling. It's very good after that, but still, need to seperate it from those that can live without liquid cooling in case some idiots try to air cool with that.

 

@GrockleTD it's actually a waterblock on the Creator, not the Taichi.

Ah, my mistake, not thinking too clearly today (missed breakfast beacause my mother insisted I get out the lawnmower and start it for her before leaving for school)

[Vejnemojnen]

How can I persuade someone, that the B450 Aorus Pro by Gigabyte is INFERIOR to Tomahawk MAX or MSI B450 A-pro, Gaming plus?

 

@Jurrunio how would you present this? Though I personally would not pick the GB under any circumstances, but, lot of people would, and do choose that board. How can one argue against that board? LowQual VRM components, poor VRM heatsinks, limited BIOS, high price.? Anything else? Inferieur overclocck?

[Jurrunio]

@Vejnemojnen start by asking why they even chose that board in the first place. know your enemy better than yourself they say?

 

I'd wreck the Aorus Pro choice by saying it's USB count in the rear I/O is low, compared to everything else especially the Elite. Seriously who thinks 4 is enough?

[Vejnemojnen]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

@Vejnemojnen start by asking why they even chose that board in the first place. know your enemy better than yourself they say?

 

I'd wreck the Aorus Pro choice by saying it's USB count in the rear I/O is low, compared to everything else especially the Elite. Seriously who thinks 4 is enough?

Thank you. Anything particular about MOSFET-s, Chokes, VRM heatsink, or limited fine-tune-ability in BIOS? I don't like their placing in the tier list, I'd guess, they are not really for 8core CPU-s.

[Jurrunio]

7 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

MOSFET-s, Chokes, VRM heatsink

just conclude this as "it runs hotter than MSI boards" and show them thermal test results. Unless they want explainations mentioning these will get them bored.

 

7 hours ago, Vejnemojnen said:

limited fine-tune-ability

Oh yeah, these boards dont overclock memory past 3200MHz and there's no loadline calibration settings, so you cant run that high of full load voltages without silly high idle voltages.

[Vejnemojnen]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

just conclude this as "it runs hotter than MSI boards" and show them thermal test results. Unless they want explainations mentioning these will get them bored.

 

Oh yeah, these boards dont overclock memory past 3200MHz and there's no loadline calibration settings, so you cant run that high of full load voltages without silly high idle voltages.

Good to know. I was just curious about VRM structure, and, I do think, most people believe those, who are a bit tecchy. I see no reason to buy B450 GB boards though. Their prices are too high (just like Asus). MSI b450 boards are far more popular.

[Tellos]

Where ya place my X470 Taichi Non ultimate I believe the VRMs are same as ultimate.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Tellos said:

Where ya place my X470 Taichi Non ultimate I believe the VRMs are same as ultimate.

they are rated the same, hence "Taichi (Ultimate)" instead of "Taichi Ultimate"

[Tellos]

@Jurrunio ah ok thanks wondered about that. appreciate the clarification.

[trevb0t]

I see there's a z390 Steel Legend board. I know the AMD series Steel Legends are kinda higher mid range. Is the z390 of similar quality?

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, trevb0t said:

AMD series Steel Legends are kinda higher mid range.

No they are lower mid range, including the Z390 Steelie. As for the VRM, it's actually slightly worse than the B450 Steelie

[Flying Sausages]

Hello

 

I just got this board last week

 

1) Can ASUS ROG Strix X470F handle Ryzen 7 3700x? 

 

2) Can Asus ROG Strix able to handle Ryzen 9 3900x and maybe 3950x?

 

3) The LAN Driver for ASUS ROG Strix X470F is not compatible with Windows 10 v1903. I clicked Windows 10 x64 on ASUS page. I already did a clean install Windows 10 in hope this is Windows fault, but it is not Windows fault. How to fix? Contacting ASUS Support is useless to me because they keep saying they will follow up this case for 3 days now

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

1) Can ASUS ROG Strix X470F handle Ryzen 7 3700x? 

yes

 

5 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

2) Can Asus ROG Strix able to handle Ryzen 9 3900x

with enough airflow

 

5 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

maybe 3950x?

no numbers yet on current pulling, so i'll give it the maybe

 

it wouldn't have been my choice of board, but it's not unkeepable

[Flying Sausages]

1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

yes

 

with enough airflow

 

no numbers yet on current pulling, so i'll give it the maybe

 

it wouldn't have been my choice of board, but it's not unkeepable

When you say enough airflow, do you mean a fan blowing air to the VRM section? Thanks for your input. 

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, OlympicAssEater said:

When you say enough airflow, do you mean a fan blowing air to the VRM section? Thanks for your input. 

sometimes

 

sometimes just good case airflow is good enough, it depends on the exact temps you have

 

but yeah, a fan can do wonders sometimes

[Flying Sausages]

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

sometimes

 

sometimes just good case airflow is good enough, it depends on the exact temps you have

 

but yeah, a fan can do wonders sometimes

Thank you for your response. 

 

There is no sensor VRM reading on X470F. Hwinfo64 shows no VRM reading???

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, OlympicAssEater said:

There is no sensor VRM reading on X470F. Hwinfo64 shows no VRM reading???

do you have any screenshots?

[Flying Sausages]

2 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

do you have any screenshots?

Here you go. 

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

do you have any screenshots?

It's not surprising, Asus only has VRM temperature readings on their proper ROG boards (if even those).

[Flying Sausages]

27 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not surprising, Asus only has VRM temperature readings on their proper ROG boards (if even those).

So I have to get something like laser temp gun to check X470F VRM temp? 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, OlympicAssEater said:

So I have to get something like laser temp gun to check X470F VRM temp? 

that's how guru3d do it, and I despise them for this reason. You use a thermal probe, stick it behind the board on the opposite side of the powerstage you want to measure the temps for with sticky thermal pad, then stress test the CPU. I know it's complex, that's why high end powerstages all have built in temperature sensing. In fact, those Asus uses support this function and so does the voltage controller, Asus just chooses not to display them to the user.

[Flying Sausages]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's how guru3d do it, and I despise them for this reason. You use a thermal probe, stick it behind the board on the opposite side of the powerstage you want to measure the temps for with sticky thermal pad, then stress test the CPU. I know it's complex, that's why high end powerstages all have built in temperature sensing. In fact, those Asus uses support this function and so does the voltage controller, Asus just chooses not to display them to the user.

Well I hope the 3700x or 3900x is not going to fry the VRM since it doesn't have a sensor reading. 

If I am going to use the laser teml gun. I have to take off the case panel then pointing the laser onto the VRM heatsink? 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, OlympicAssEater said:

If I am going to use the laser teml gun. I have to take off the case panel then pointing the laser onto the VRM heatsink? 

that doesn't work, there will be a big difference between the heatsink's temperature on the point of sensing and the actual powerstage temperature.

 

The board does have over temperature shutdown function for the VRM, so it wont blow up for sure. I myself dont think even the 16 core will overheat it either when unrestrained, especially when you let the power and current limits do their thing.