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39 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... to sum it up

Mystic: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

Fusion: memory no, cooler no, gpu yes

Aura: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

Polychrome: memory yes, cooler no, gpu no

 

i think something like a z390 aorus elite or extreme 4 would fit quite nice

Thanks for the tip! As I can see Asrock Extreme 4 doesn't have Bluetooth, but Aorus elite does? I can't decide, cause different websites show different things. I find something about plugging an antenna and having bluetooth 5.1? Could you please help me on this? 

 

What software would I be using to control memory sticks, if I was about to pick up the AORUS mobo?

 

EDIT: Ah sorry I was thinking about Aorus Pro. Well AORUS Elite doesn't have a bluetooth that's sure. Looks good tho.

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13 minutes ago, Kranolf said:

EDIT: Ah sorry I was thinking about Aorus Pro. Well AORUS Elite doesn't have a bluetooth that's sure. Looks good tho.

yeah, if you want blutetooth the best option will probably be the pro wifi

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5 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

yeah, if you want blutetooth the best option will probably be the pro wifi

So that one actually has bluetooth? What's up with that antenna, cause I don't get it? I must connect that in order to have one? Cause if so, I'd just be better off with my current dongle which can also be connected inside of the case.


Also, RGB fusion does not support my rams then? What soft would I have to use?

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7 minutes ago, Kranolf said:

So that one actually has bluetooth? What's up with that antenna, cause I don't get it? I must connect that in order to have one? Cause if so, I'd just be better off with my current dongle which can also be connected inside of the case.


Also, RGB fusion does not support my rams then? What soft would I have to use?

it does... and wifi, but you do need that antenna to receive and send signal

 

gskill has their own software

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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

it does... and wifi, but you do need that antenna to receive and send signal

 

gskill has their own software

Oh damn, so it's completely separate, no bluetooth is integrated in that mobo.

 

Any other options? :(

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2 minutes ago, Kranolf said:

Oh damn, so it's completely separate, no bluetooth is integrated in that mobo.

 

Any other options? :(

well... it technically is integrated, it just needs antennas connected, as any motherboard

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9 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... it technically is integrated, it just needs antennas connected, as any motherboard

Hmm, I never had any bluetooth or wifi motherboard, so not sure how that works but first time seeing this antenna stuff. Thought it's like having a dongle connected, implemented in it. Anyways, thanks a lot for your help. Might just go ahead and take the wifi version (just in case, cause there is no major price difference actually) and use the dongle as before, or buy a better one.

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Why does Gigabyte b450m ds3h is at the bottom of the rank(tier F) while MSI B450 Pro VDH is tier D? Pro VDH is weaker, Pro VDH Plus is equal?

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7 minutes ago, uberas said:

Why does Gigabyte b450m ds3h is at the bottom of the rank(tier F) while MSI B450 Pro VDH is tier D? Pro VDH is weaker, Pro VDH Plus is equal?

because the ds3h is weaker? or is that a weird conclusion?

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54 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

because the ds3h is weaker? or is that a weird conclusion?

Can you tell me more about it?

They’re equal on reddit list which I found reliable 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview#gid=639584818
I’m confused because Pro-VDH is actually worse than DS3H, the plus version is indeed equal
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Why is B450m gaming plus is better than Pro VDH? Is it because of the heatsink? 

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2 minutes ago, Oalei said:

Why is B450m gaming plus is better than Pro VDH? Is it because of the heatsink? 

Yes. Components should be the same underneath

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes. Components should be the same underneath

Isn't the plus version have a better one? It improve a little bit I guess. 

Nvm it's the same Goddamn heatsink probably a different mobo. 

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5 minutes ago, Oalei said:

Isn't the plus version have a better one? It improve a little bit I guess. 

Nvm it's the same Goddamn heatsink probably a different mobo. 

I thought only the Bazooka Plus get different heatsink than the non-Plus?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

I thought only the Bazooka Plus get different heatsink than the non-Plus?

Well it's msi that's what I'm sure of. yeah might be bazooka is what I'm talking about not Pro VDH.

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On 8/16/2019 at 7:07 AM, Jurrunio said:

Yes. Components should be the same underneath

Wait, really? B450M gaming plus got only one heatsink, like pro VDH - does it mean they’re practically the same?

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1 hour ago, uberas said:

Wait, really? B450M gaming plus got only one heatsink, like pro VDH - does it mean they’re practically the same?

the part not covered by the heatsink powers the SOC, which has low power draw unless you run the GPU in an APU. That's why it doesn't matter.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

the part not covered by the heatsink powers the SOC, which has low power draw unless you run the GPU in an APU. That's why it doesn't matter.

Yeah I know that, but I’m talking about B450M gaming plus - it ain’t got heatsink on SoC aswell

This one, it’s gonna be virtually the same as pro VDH then? What’s the difference between pro VDH and pro VDH plus btw? I know V2 uses worse mosfets but what about PLUS version?

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4 minutes ago, uberas said:

Yeah I know that, but I’m talking about B450M gaming plus - it ain’t got heatsink on SoC aswell

i am talking about the mATX board. Not sure which part you got lost on.

 

3 minutes ago, uberas said:

This one, it’s gonna be virtually the same as pro VDH then? What’s the difference between pro VDH and pro VDH plus btw? I know V2 uses worse mosfets but what about PLUS version?

The Vcore heatsink on the Gaming Plus got shrunken quite a lot on the Pro-VDH and lost a lot of fins in the design. I'd say it's noticeably worse.

 

Pro-VDH Plus should have no significant hardware changes to the Pro-VDH

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

i am talking about the mATX board. Not sure which part you got lost on.

 

The Vcore heatsink on the Gaming Plus got shrunken quite a lot on the Pro-VDH and lost a lot of fins in the design. I'd say it's noticeably worse.

 

Pro-VDH Plus should have no significant hardware changes to the Pro-VDH

I got lost in comparing gaming plus to pro VDH - you said that they’re similar apart of soc heatsink. Then I just wanted to know because mATX of gaming plus lack it; are they virtually the same? And I meant like hardware-wise - I can clearly see the heatsink is bigger on gaming plus 

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28 minutes ago, uberas said:

I got lost in comparing gaming plus to pro VDH - you said that they’re similar apart of soc heatsink. Then I just wanted to know because mATX of gaming plus lack it; are they virtually the same? And I meant like hardware-wise - I can clearly see the heatsink is bigger on gaming plus 

the mosfets are the same, if that answers you. When I said "underneath", I refer to the CPU core VRM heatsink. You can power the SoC with something really terrible if you dont have to power a GPU tbh.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the mosfets are the same, if that answers you. When I said "underneath", I refer to the CPU core VRM heatsink. You can power the SoC with something really terrible if you dont have to power a GPU tbh.

Pro vdh plus got 1xSM4337, 2xSM4503

pro VDH 1xPK616BA, 2xPK632BA

gaming plus atx and mATX both have: 2x4C029N, 2x4C024N

so they’re different by a lot meaning pro VDH without plus will be actually weaker than gigabyte b450m ds3h and that’s what I’ve been initially asking about

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8 minutes ago, uberas said:

Pro vdh plus got 1xSM4337, 2xSM4503

pro VDH 1xPK616BA, 2xPK632BA

gaming plus atx and mATX both have: 2x4C029N, 2x4C024N

wrong, gaming plus mATX, pro-vdh and pro-vdh plus use 2x SM4337 + 2x SM4503, pro-vdh plus uses 1x PK616 + 2x PK632, gaming plus ATX uses 2x 4C029N + 2x 4C024N

 

12 minutes ago, uberas said:

so they’re different by a lot meaning pro VDH without plus will be actually weaker than gigabyte b450m ds3h and that’s what I’ve been initially asking about

PK616BA is a worse high side mosfet than the 4C10N (much longer turn on delay) but the PK632BA is a better low side mosfet than the 4C06N (lower Rds(on)), the 10N and 06N being what the Gigabyte B450M DS3H uses. Overall the pairing with Niko-semi mosfets are better since we're going so low that efficiency means more than responsiveness.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

wrong, gaming plus mATX, pro-vdh and pro-vdh plus use 2x SM4337 + 2x SM4503, pro-vdh plus uses 1x PK616 + 2x PK632, gaming plus ATX uses 2x 4C029N + 2x 4C024N

 

Wait, what?

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6 minutes ago, uberas said:

Wait, what?

I meant Pro-VDH V2 uses PK616 and PK632. you're infecting me

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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