Intel and AMD have same life?

[RAGNES7]

I'm getting Ryzen 7 2700x, RX 580 , x470, 750watts (80+ gold), m.2 250 GB Samsung. 16 GB 3000 DDR4 Corsair, 2tb barracuda 7200. All Gigabyte Auorus build.

Now, Everyone in my country is recommending me to get Intel cuz it's more reliable and has better resale value and is easier to sell.

I'm an Engineering student. And i wanna learn blender and get into CGI and Designing. But once I get a job and might move away from home. I'll sell the PC if I have to. Or I'll keep this PC in house for next 10 years.

So, I'm looking at Ryzen CPU life. Since I have been using Intel CPUs since 2003.( 1 PC and 2 laptops. ) And I have never had issues with CPUs even tho thier motherboards and SMPS died of age or Dried soldering. Intel CPU would still live on and I would replace everything else and that CPU will still run.

This is my first Ryzen build. Also my first custom PC build. I like both Ryzen and Intel but, all I wanna know is 

Will AMD Ryzen 7 live as much as i7 8700 non K (same cost)

[NunoLava1998]

I'd get the 2700X. Not only is it better than the 8700 for CGI and designing, it's a pretty powerful CPU. It's also completely compatible with the new Zen 2 CPUs (which are rumored to match a 8700K as a Ryzen 3 or 5 (!)) with only a BIOS update needed. AMD Ryzen is equally as reliable.

Get the 2700X.

[RAGNES7]

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

[NunoLava1998]

1 minute ago, RAGNES7 said:

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

They're still living in 2014 where FX is a relevant thing because Ryzen is literally 45C during stress tests (at stock).. while Intel can reach upwards of 60-70. This is all with the stock cooler.

 

The 2700X also has a RGB cooler if that's relevant

[CharminUltraStrong]

4 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

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I'd probably go with the 2700x as it has the ability to overclock, has more cores, more threads and it has a significantly faster multi-core speed. Intel will always win with single core performance but the multi-core performance is much higher with the 2700x.

[LogicWeasel]

4 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

The idea that it's "Twice as hot" is all hype and misinformation.  Someone gets all excited because the previous gen (like AMD Bulldozer) would get hot from 8-core CPUs.

At most my impression is that some of the AMD CPUs can run up to 15% hotter but in some cases you get 2 more cores than equivalent priced-Intel (or multi-threading vs Intel removing that from some products). 

 

The Key Takeaway:  As long as you install a CPU Cooler that isn't garbage, you will be completely fine.  (The stock AMD cooler that comes with most Ryzen CPUs is much better than their previous stock coolers, and I don't consider it garbage).

[GoldenLag]

6 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

Everyone in my country is recommending me to get Intel cuz it's more reliable and has better resale value and is easier to sell.

resale value of any CPU drops of rapidly, and since we havent seen Ryzen for a long time it is hard to predict how it will drop in price. one thing it has going for it is promised 2020 CPUs for the AM4 socket, something you wont be seing from Intel meaning its value up unntill then is still pretty good. 

 

i would like to mention that AMD is rumoured to put out an 16 core consumer CPU for the AM4 socket around q2 2019. meaning you can slot that in in the future (16 cores is rumoured though not confirmed, 8 cores is confirmed and 16 cores highly likely)

 

3 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

currently the opposite is true. Intel has been very iffy about their TDP and their thermal solution. the 2700x will run cooler. 

8 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

Will AMD Ryzen 7 live as much as i7 8700 non K (same cost)

yes and it will be a whole lot better for blender workloads.  you also have a much better upgrade path

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, LogicWeasel said:

The Key Takeaway:  As long as you install a CPU Cooler that isn't garbage, you will be completely fine.

stock cooler is fine on AMD cpus. and you can overclock on the stock cooler on all of them except the r5 2600 where the stock cooler will yield limited overclocking results. the 8700 doesnt have a great stock cooler and with the higher ambients temps in your country it will throttle (it gets close to throttling or throttles under stresstests)

[LogicWeasel]

5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

stock cooler is fine on AMD cpus. and you can overclock on the stock cooler on all of them except the r5 2600 where the stock cooler will yield limited overclocking results. the 8700 doesnt have a great stock cooler and with the higher ambients temps in your country it will throttle (it gets close to throttling or throttles under stresstests)

Yeah I realized that could come off as a bash on the stock cooler when I meant to bash the use of cheap thermal paste and a $8 Ali Express cooler (sub-stock); so I ninja edited my post a couple minutes ago to state that I also agree the AMD Stock coolers for Ryzen are just fine.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, RAGNES7 said:

I'm getting Ryzen 7 2700x, RX 580 , x470, 750watts (80+ gold), m.2 250 GB Samsung. 16 GB 3000 DDR4 Corsair, 2tb barracuda 7200. All Gigabyte Auorus build.

Now, Everyone in my country is recommending me to get Intel cuz it's more reliable and has better resale value and is easier to sell.

I'm an Engineering student. And i wanna learn blender and get into CGI and Designing. But once I get a job and might move away from home. I'll sell the PC if I have to. Or I'll keep this PC in house for next 10 years.

So, I'm looking at Ryzen CPU life. Since I have been using Intel CPUs since 2003.( 1 PC and 2 laptops. ) And I have never had issues with CPUs even tho thier motherboards and SMPS died of age or Dried soldering. Intel CPU would still live on and I would replace everything else and that CPU will still run.

This is my first Ryzen build. Also my first custom PC build. I like both Ryzen and Intel but, all I wanna know is 

Will AMD Ryzen 7 live as much as i7 8700 non K (same cost)

I own both cpus and I can say that most of what you have been reading online is false. Stability has been about the same in my experience with crashes being pretty rare on both systems. The 8700k puts out more heat but then again it is also overclocked. Intel and AMD cpus have always lasted a long time even when AMD performance was lacking so whoever said otherwise is full of it. Obviously if you feed a cpu unsafe voltage or do something stupid a cpu can die but from normal use it shouldn't happen. If you aren't starting school until fall and you can wait till the 3000 series comes out i would recommend you wait as it should have more cores and better power efficiency which should be good for your workloads. Also they are significantly increasing avx performance.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Brooksie359
Autocorrect changing cpu to gpu again.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, LogicWeasel said:

Yeah I realized that could come off as a bash on the stock cooler, so I ninja edited my post a couple minutes ago to state that I also agree the AMD Stock coolers for Ryzen are just fine.

the stock cooler isnt fantastic. like by aftermarket standards it ok, and isnt something that someone would buy (exception can be the higher end cooler on the 2700x, but you wouldnt pay much for it). but its a lot more solid than the sheet of metal you get with the 8700k. 

[SupaKomputa]

6 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

My Ryzen is pretty cool at 35c idle, 70c full load, i live in a tropical zone.

Yes everyone maybe suggesting Intel to be cooler than AMD, i'm sure those people will have no clue what is Ryzen.

As for resale value, AMD sold twice as many CPU in the last quarter of 2018 , that gives you some perspective on how people trust them.

[Jurrunio]

18 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

More like the opposite if you compare using their stock coolers (even at typical room temp here at 25C the 8700 thermal throttles). 2700X has higher heat output, but the stock cooler is magnitudes better than what Intel gives you.

 

Also, if thermals are a problem, dont overclock then.

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

As for resale value, AMD sold twice as many CPU in the last quarter of 2018 , that gives you some perspective on how people trust them.

anecdote: its at 1 very large popular german reseller (they are like the only ones who release these numbers).

 

i mean AMD has really caught the wind with the popular series of CPUs and they havent stopped delivering yet. 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

2700X has higher heat output, but the stock cooler is magnitudes better than what Intel gives you.

the solder under heatspreader on the 2700x really helps it along compared to the (meh) thermal paste intel uses

[Stefan Payne]

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I'm getting Ryzen 7 2700x, RX 580 , x470, 750watts (80+ gold), m.2 250 GB Samsung. 16 GB 3000 DDR4 Corsair, 2tb barracuda 7200. All Gigabyte Auorus build.

What PSU exactly?

FOr that build, you'd be fine with 450W, 550W to be "on the safe side"...

 

Though personally I'd not necessarily go for a 2700x unless I get it for a good price and save up for Ryzen 3000 because its just so much better...

 

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

Now, Everyone in my country is recommending me to get Intel cuz it's more reliable and has better resale value and is easier to sell.

That's absolute horse shit.

That was never true ever, if you went for good quality components and choose decent components.

Even 20 years ago it wasn't really true.

What is true that people tended to use the cheapest garbage and combine that with an AMD System. Like a dangerous, cheap ass (Codegen) Power Supply that isn't even honest on the label and overrated, no Name Memory that was available at the time and came defective out of the factory was sold to others. I think c't killed it with their huge memory Test, that showed them to be broken. Shortly after that those shit was phased out.

 

And the legendary ECS K7S5A, wich was a perfectly fine board, but bitchy about the memory.

 

THAT are real reasons. Not that AMD was worse but people were too incompetent to build a decent system!

That an old Pentium 1 Heatsink for like 15-25W is a dumb idea on a 50-75W CPU, should be obvious...

 

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I'm an Engineering student. And i wanna learn blender and get into CGI and Designing. But once I get a job and might move away from home. I'll sell the PC if I have to. Or I'll keep this PC in house for next 10 years.

Hm, in that case, why not just look at Threadripper? 12 Cores are rediculously cheap right now.

Though normally they are rather expensive and the Boards are starting at 300€or more.

 

The next gen Ryzen is said to be coming with up to 16 cores, so that's something to keep in mind and hold out for or prepare to upgrade as soon as possible or viable.

 

 

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

So, I'm looking at Ryzen CPU life. Since I have been using Intel CPUs since 2003.( 1 PC and 2 laptops. ) And I have never had issues with CPUs even tho thier motherboards and SMPS died of age or Dried soldering.

There is no issue, never was. AMD is even more robust in most cases...

And the Core Temperatures are also lower on AMD because they are soldered and done well...

Intels are not soldered and even if, they are done badly.

 

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

Intel CPU would still live on and I would replace everything else and that CPU will still run.

Louis Rossmann disagrees with you with Haswell and newer...

 

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

This is my first Ryzen build. Also my first custom PC build. I like both Ryzen and Intel but, all I wanna know is 

Everything is the same, thing is that everyone makes their stuff for Intel, rarely anyone for AMD, wich can cause Problem or is the real issue...

31 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

Will AMD Ryzen 7 live as much as i7 8700 non K (same cost)

If you go for good quality components, there is no reason for it to be not true that both are about the same, with some advantages on AMD's side (lower Temperatures)....

[Stefan Payne]

24 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

2700X has higher heat output, but the stock cooler is magnitudes better than what Intel gives you.

No, they define the TDP differently.

While AMD's TDP Definition is the Industry standard, INtel's is not.

 

That means that Intel doesn't take Turbo into account, thus while boosting, the Intel CPU can consume whatever as that is not something defined in the TDP, wich claims the max. power consumption at base clock. You see that the most with the newer 9k Series CPU, wich really violate it...

[Stefan Payne]

47 minutes ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

Now that's just horse shit someone heard decades ago and claims it to be true years later...

 

Truth is that Intel goes to 80°C or more within seconds. Wich is why I returned my i7-4770K after a couple of hours usage and got something else..

That might not have been as good as it was an A10-7850K with the most expensive Board at the time (A88X-G45 Gaming)

 

With high ambient temperatures you might look at good after market heatsinks like NH-D15 or rather the NH-C14 because that does blow some air over the VRMs...

[xg32]

I've gone from amd (opteron 165) back to intel and about to go amd again (zen 2 WOO) over the years, i've never had a cpu die on me naturally.

 

closest was a 2600k refusing to oc anymore, not sure if it's cpu or mobo vrm there.

 

Then a 670 caught fire and shorted my mobo->6700k.

 

Overall I'd just say CPUs rarely dies, but the worst experience was from AMD's phenom 2/piledriver cpus, those were junk.

 

Zen 2 looking good though, hopefully not too buggy.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

lol

[grss1982]

11 hours ago, RAGNES7 said:

I forgot to mention, my other issue is the ambient temperature of room in summer gets upto 40°C

And AMD just gets twice as hot than Intel. (From what I hear)

OFF TOPIC:

 

See! There's that "myth" again about AMD being real hot temp-wise.

 

I commented on a thread about non-techies here in the forum about this "myth" with AMD:

 

 

ON TOPIC:

Barring overvolting a processor to death or extreme overclocking, both AMD and Intel Processor "live" for a long time. In some instances the motherboard have died but the processors themselves are still working.