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Morality questioned by Pirates

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Just as a reminder, discussing piracy is one thing but if anyone starts including information on how to commit piracy, this thread will be cleaned and locked. Be mindful to stay on topic dont derail the thread with flame bait.

Hey everyone,

I wanted to see how anyone else feels about pirating a game/software that you already own. For example, I received Fall Out 3 GOTY edition as a gift because I loved that game when I played on Xbox. Anyways, now I know that FO3 doesn't play nice with Windows 10. In fact, I've found it impossible to launch up to this point (it's been about 6 months). So now I'm considering getting a pirate copy to see if it launches in Windows 10. 

What does the Linus community think about this?

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Purely morally, it's fine. 

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This thread will probably get locked, but I don't pirate games anymore at all, its just too convenient to buy and download. I just add games to my wishlist and wait for sales - thats how I got dead space 2 for 5 bucks recently even though I already owned it for PS3 I love playing in 1440p on my gaming rig 

 

plus its like illegal I guess

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I've always believed that pirating software is something good as long as you don't "over do it." Without going into much detail I can say that I've pirated both games that I already own - but don't want to have to buy again - intended to buy and even some that I wouldn't ever really want to pay for but really wanted to try.

 

In your case, I'd say it is a "who cares" type of thing.

Yes, Bethesda won't get another ~$3 USD but at least they'll have a happy customer.

 

Edit: Just a sidenote type of thing. Just because we as consumers don't care doesn't mean that the corporations won't. If you're going to pirate something: use a VPN (free or not.) I can't stress how important that is.

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I noticed that I never finish the games I pirate. I don't even remember the last time I pirated a game. Software though, especially if it's overpriced... That's another topic.

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Yeah, very few people actually care imo. The forums only have pirating talk banned because it's illegal in most 1st world countries.

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Since pirated games/software isn't guaranteed to work its best I tend to go with the free trial stuff and if it works, great, I'll make a purchase but if it doesn't work software wise or I don't really enjoy it, then it goes in the delete box.

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If devs, movie studios, and record companies offered realistic and convenient ways to buy people would. It's when every movie, TV show, and artist has their own platform forcing people to pirate.

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The only games I've pirated are Dirt 2 and Richard Burns Rally.

Dirt 2 is no longer for sale anywhere due to expired music copyrights, and I'm not even sure anyone owns RBR anymore, or if they do, they certainly don't seem to care.

 

It's kind of like, emulation is a gray area, because it's not strictly illegal if you own the game and make your own iso, or I suppose download it since you're just playing it in a different way. Nintendo more doesn't like it because they think they can still sell you 30+ year old games.

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21 minutes ago, xiamandrewx said:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to see how anyone else feels about pirating a game/software that you already own. For example, I received Fall Out 3 GOTY edition as a gift because I loved that game when I played on Xbox. Anyways, now I know that FO3 doesn't play nice with Windows 10. In fact, I've found it impossible to launch up to this point (it's been about 6 months). So now I'm considering getting a pirate copy to see if it launches in Windows 10. 

What does the Linus community think about this?

To try and get your none pirated game working go to the Steam forum for FO3.  They have a pinned thread at the top for the steps to get FO3 to work on Windows 10.  I played the GOTY edition with no problems (I know it is not a guarantee for everyone) after following the instructions.

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4 minutes ago, JZStudios said:

The only games I've pirated are Dirt 2 and Richard Burns Rally.

Dirt 2 is no longer for sale anywhere due to expired music copyrights, and I'm not even sure anyone owns RBR anymore, or if they do, they certainly don't seem to care.

 

It's kind of like, emulation is a gray area, because it's not strictly illegal if you own the game and make your own iso, or I suppose download it since you're just playing it in a different way. Nintendo more doesn't like it because they think they can still sell you 30+ year old games.

What's funny is, they're using downloaded ROMs from ROM sites in their own paid services. There was a video about it a while ago.

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2 issues here:

1. "I now know that it doesn't play well on win 10. Maybe I should pirate it for win 10...."

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2. "Do you think pirating is wrong?" they post on a forum where it is against the rules to endorse illegal activity

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To be honest, in my opinion, piracy of games is only acceptable in three scenarios.

1- Where the original publisher decided to call it quit and literally made it so you cannot legitimately buy it anywhere anymore. (This is an issue with older games, primarily Console games, not so much on PC... unless it's things like DiRT 2 where they pull it off sales instead of just changing the music)
In fact, even some game devs and publishers have encouraged this before, like Hotline Miami 2 when faced with an Australian ban.
 

2- If they never bothered updating it to make it compatible with the latest OS/hardware but somehow pirates fixed it? (This is quite rare and even in your case, there are ways to make it work with your legal copies)

 

3- When you just want to try the game yourself and see how it runs on your PC prior to buying it (A demo if you will... If you finish the game and don't buy it, you're just a filthy pirate).

 


As for pirating something that you already own... Frankly, I see no problem with that. You've already given them your money. You could be using your legitimate copy, but if the pirated one is more convenient for you, go for it.

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1 hour ago, SenpaiKaplan said:

Yeah, very few people actually care imo. The forums only have pirating talk banned because it's illegal in most 1st world countries.

The discussion of pirating (in general) is not banned.

 

How to engage in it is though. Like, download x program, navigate to y site and magnet Z link.

 

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Piracy is fine as long as you don't sell copies or anything. If you own it already, it's legal. For some TV shows, it's a necessity. 

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I'm fine with it for games I already own, but don't do it after receiving an email from comcast saying that they'd terminate my service if I pirate anymore of Nintendo's IP.  But that's what I get for trying to use a torrent link from pirate bay.

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1 minute ago, Fez_Boy said:

I'm fine with it for games I already own, but don't do it after receiving an email from comcast saying that they'd terminate my service if I pirate anymore of Nintendo's IP.  But that's what I get for trying to use a torrent link from pirate bay.

That's why you use a VPN if you're in the US.

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1 minute ago, MysteriousAeon said:

That's why you use a VPN if you're in the US.

Lol, yep.  I guess I'll never play windwaker.  Stinkin gamestop sending out scratched disks.

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11 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Piracy is fine as long as you don't sell copies or anything. If you own it already, it's legal. For some TV shows, it's a necessity. 

Not exactly. Sure, for most people it's morally fine to pirate something if you already own it but most countries around the world state in their laws that piracy of any sort is illegal. 

I doubt it'll take long before this page gets locked by a mod lol

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Go to GOG the version of fallout 3 they sell works just fine on windows 10 in fact Good old games is rather good about making sure what they sell runs on current systems for example the copy of sim city 2000 i bought there yesterday, installed and configured Dos box for me the experience was seamless. 

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This topic is as old as the internet itself. I do not mind the developers getting the reward, it is as it should be. But look at the latest Bethesta fraud, it would seem that they just do not care about me ...


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7 minutes ago, aigars2 said:

it would seem that they just do not care about me ...

Spoiler: all game companies don't care about you. 

 

 

I've only "pirated" one game. I already bought it on steam but after a year or two the developers stopped updating it and would just never launch, so I found a torrent so I could play what I spent money on

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If you buy a game (a certain fucking game that reuires the key to be entered every damn time I start it in my case, and the sticker with the key gets lost, then I see no problem in using an unofficial copy.

1 hour ago, xiamandrewx said:

Hey everyone,

I wanted to see how anyone else feels about pirating a game/software that you already own. For example, I received Fall Out 3 GOTY edition as a gift because I loved that game when I played on Xbox. Anyways, now I know that FO3 doesn't play nice with Windows 10. In fact, I've found it impossible to launch up to this point (it's been about 6 months). So now I'm considering getting a pirate copy to see if it launches in Windows 10. 

What does the Linus community think about this?

Why does everyone have problems running FO3 under Windows 10? On both my old laptops (AMD based) and this desktop (Intel+Nvidia), I can run FO3 without any problems at all under W10. This is the GOTY version through Steam BTW.

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10 minutes ago, Arika S said:

Spoiler: all game companies don't care about you. 

 

 

I've only "pirated" one game. I already bought it on steam but after a year or two the developers stopped updating it and would just never launch, so I found a torrent so I could play what I spent money on

Does that translate to pirating being a necessity for a developer to not get rusty.


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But genuienly can I actually try any of the AAA games before I buy? The answer is no! However the law dictates that I should be able to test it before I buy.


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