AMD Computex 2016 - Polaris and Zen Revealed

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

AMD cards always underperform on/ before launch and grow with every driver update. For example the Fury X couldn't beat the 980 Ti in many many games at launch, a few driver updates later and they're on par with the Fury X winning in DX12 and DX11 when 4K mostly every game.

 

The point he was making was that additional headroom they have to improve its performance.

Performance should be there on launch. I don't want to buy cards and not get what I'm paying for. 49% utilization? What a joke.

[hex4]

2 minutes ago, Juanse said:

I kinda saw that the demos had different graphics settings

 

1 minute ago, Juanse said:

GET BACK TO BUILDING CONSOLES!

Are you here to just troll?

[Juanse]

1 minute ago, hex4 said:

 

Are you here to just troll?

Well, they don't look the same, go back and check, you'll notice what I mean

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, AlexTheRose said:

except you’re getting what you pay for, in time. Can’t wait? Buy Nvidia then

Except you aren't because nothing is being said that AMD can actually make a driver for once.

[Starelementpoke]

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

Except you aren't because nothing is being said that AMD can actually make a driver for once.

To be fair, Polaris hasn't launched yet. Might change when it does.

[hex4]

1 minute ago, Juanse said:

Well, they don't look the same, go back and check, you'll notice what I mean

They looked the same, you do know that if you leave nVIDIA drivers standard they play with limited colour?

I have to manually select full colour range on my PC with any nVIDIA GPU.

[nskceaj]

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

Except you aren't because nothing is being said that AMD can actually make a driver for once.

Didnt NVIDIA kill 1000000 PC´s with an Driver this Year ? Something about tha is in the back of my Head If im wrong make sure to correct me.

[Starelementpoke]

8 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Because I want to spend $500 on two cards with bad scaling.

 

AMD. What. Are. You. DOING?!

Also, to be fair, they did say they were working on drivers for it.

[Juanse]

2 minutes ago, hex4 said:

They looked the same, you do know that if you leave nVIDIA drivers standard they play with limited colour?

I have to manually select full colour range on my PC with any nVIDIA GPU.

The demo on the left looks much less detailed

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, Juanse said:

The demo on the left looks much less detailed

How could you tell. They weren't streaming at 4K they look exactly the same

[EvilNeo]

nvidia *tried* to break the bulk of money needed to have an OP GPU but i think AMD has done it the right way
i mean what GPUs can we buy with 200$ nowadays and how many of them could run DOOM and battlefield1?

[hex4]

1 minute ago, Juanse said:

The demo on the left looks much less detailed

Get new eyes, they looked exactly the same.

[That Norwegian Guy]

7 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Performance should be there on launch. I don't want to buy cards and not get what I'm paying for. 49% utilization? What a joke.

Nvidia has 320 software developers brute-forcing solutions to DX11 problems directly with developers, that's how they've managed to "look like" they have the better product every launch and thus muscle 74% market share. And let's not forget about GameWorks baking into games to lock AMD users out of features by "partnering" developers.

 

AMD instead took that same R&D money, developed Mantle to kickstart DX12 and Vulkan, because Microsoft were sitting on their asses. This is making life better for all gamers. And their cards STILL win price points.

 

Just remember that once no more games are developed for DX11, Nvidia won't be able to brute force performance parity through software anymore - DX12 performance is always going to be in a 5% range of actual hardware potential.

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, AlexTheRose said:

What are you talking about?

AMD cards always underperform on/ before launch and grow with every driver update.
The point he was making was that additional headroom they have to improve its performance. 
except you’re getting what you pay for, in time.

 

Product should be working 100% on launch, because there is no guarantee that it will be working 100% later on.

1 minute ago, Starelementpoke said:

To be fair, Polaris hasn't launched yet. Might change when it does.

The least they could do is make a working driver for a single benchmark..

2 minutes ago, nskceaj said:

Didnt NVIDIA kill 1000000 PC´s with an Driver this Year ? Something about tha is in the back of my Head If im wrong make sure to correct me.

Yeah not even close.

2 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Also, to be fair, they did say they were working on drivers for it.

See my second quote response.

[pbenologa]

Well obviously you can't use the full potential of a card unless a driver is made. And it's always happening at every launch of a new game that it takes a little bit of time to create driver compatible to that game and card. They highlighted it on the stream that, $500 with a headroom.

[byalexandr]

You people need to stop being assholes about AMD. Last time they released something everyone complained that they overhyped it, and now that they didn't all you guys do is complain more.

[jjar35]

11 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

I don't need to upgrade from my 290x at all, but now I want to - just to send a message that what we need more than anything else in PC gaming - is affordability. Intel and Nvidia are just spinning out of control with prices.

I agree but they have the ability to charge that and still have a lot of buyers because of the fact that they have both been at the number 1 spot for their type of hardware for nearly a decade without any competition. Also the fact that nVidia can do with one card what takes AMD 2 albeit with a ~$100 increase (My $600 price comes from the fact that board partners will price between $600-$650 for the same and/or better performance for cheaper than the founders edition). 

[Starelementpoke]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

AMD cards always underperform on/ before launch and grow with every driver update.
The point he was making was that additional headroom they have to improve its performance. 
except you’re getting what you pay for, in time.

 

Product should be working 100% on launch, because there is no guarantee that it will be working 100% later on.

The least they could do is make a working driver for a single benchmark..

Yeah not even close.

See my second quote response.

Eh, fair enough. Though I'll wait to see if said driver pops up before making a

 

6 minutes ago, nskceaj said:

Didnt NVIDIA kill 1000000 PC´s with an Driver this Year ? Something about tha is in the back of my Head If im wrong make sure to correct me.

Yeah, not that many.

[That Norwegian Guy]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Product should be working 100% on launch

You forget something here.

Driver improvements don't scale infinitely. There's a limit. The hardware's limit is fixed, whether you release it after doing 20% optimization, or after doing 30%. In the end, the best card is going to be better no matter what. Like we've seen with the Fury X scaling farther than the 980 Ti.

[jjar35]

6 minutes ago, nskceaj said:

Didnt NVIDIA kill 1000000 PC´s with an Driver this Year ? Something about tha is in the back of my Head If im wrong make sure to correct me.

I swear AMD did the same thing last year with a driver but I can remember which one it was since I use nVidia I just remember hearing a lot about it.

[Juanse]

Look at the snow and the shadows, there's snow in some parts where there aren't in the other one

[DGB]

18 minutes ago, LabRat said:

 I don't remember him saying 2 480's but a dual card. ( a single card ) ( unless I missed something ).... for under $500.

he said 2 480's. not a single card

[Delicieuxz]

Why were the AMD CF GPUs demoing at only 51% utilization, when the point was to show how much faster it could be than a GTX 1080, if it could do more?

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

Nvidia has 320 software developers brute-forcing solutions to DX11 problems directly with developers, that's how they've managed to "look like" they have the better product every launch and thus muscle 74% market share. And let's not forget about GameWorks baking into games to lock AMD users out of features by "partnering" developers.

 

AMD instead took that same R&D money, developed Mantle to kickstart DX12 and Vulkan, because Microsoft were sitting on their asses. This is making life better for all gamers. And their cards STILL win price points.

 

Just remember that once no more games are developed for DX11, Nvidia won't be able to brute force performance parity through software anymore - DX12 performance is always going to be in a 5% range of actual hardware potential.

Except having better performance is having better performance. There's nothing else to it. If they can make a driver that works because that's their job then they're obviously doing their job.

 

Except GameWorks are Nvidia specific features because of software design for CUDA acceleration. AMD could get a license if they want, but choose not to. Sorry, business is business, don't whine if you can't play ball.

 

Except DX12 has been in development for years with no reason to push forward because nobody is going to use anything other than DX11 since it's too much to learn something new and Mantle fell on its face.

[kokobash]

I really like what they did with RX 480 but please no crossfire.