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AMD Zen to Bring Greater than 40% IPC Increase, New Reports Suggests

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If they actually reach 40% over excavator and run that chip at 4-5ghz on 8 cores like they run these old things they will be beating skylake i7 by a far margin.

I suspect it's going to be lower clocked to reach that dreamy 95W tdp.

Intel i7 skylake is a 4 core SKU. 8 core Zen will be limited in clock speed. 4 core Zen might hit 4 ghz but 8 core is probably limited to 3 ghz (maybe even less), maybe some higher boost. 8 core Zen is still not gonna compete with a 6700K. It will compete with 5960X or equivalent.

If AMD limits their 8 core SKU to 95W, it might be even lower.

Also, you can't expect AMD to strive for 5 ghz. Completely different design. Efficiency will drop incredibly fast if they raise the clock speed too high hence the 220W TDP on existing chips.

In any case these things have little to do with IPC and as far as I know 40% increased IPC will not translate directly to 40% increased performance. There's more to CPU design than simply IPC, clock speed or any one parameter.

However I do believe Zen will increase performance by more than just 40% overall. The design is simply so different and should be so much more efficient.

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That is custom loop and my god 75C is hot for a custom loop. 

 

Not bad for a thin 360mm rad in pull only and a tiny 240mm rad in pull again, lets not forget I'm cooling my very hot VRM and overclocked northbridge too. Still not 90c though and the 75c was socket temp btw, not package. I also don't count temp spikes, they tend to be bollocks not to mention it never hit over 70c mate...


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Might hold out on upgrading my socket 775 for a little longer. Was planning to go 1150, but if Zen offers high-performance at a reasonable price, I'll happily switch to team red.
 

Not bad for a thin 360mm rad in pull only and a tiny 240mm rad in pull again, lets not forget I'm cooling my very hot VRM and overclocked northbridge too. Still not 90c though and the 75c was socket temp btw, not package. I also don't count temp spikes, they tend to be bollocks not to mention it never hit over 70c mate...


Oh boy, your mobo must be enjoying that torture...


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Not bad for a thin 360mm rad in pull only and a tiny 240mm rad in pull again, lets not forget I'm cooling my very hot VRM and overclocked northbridge too. Still not 90c though and the 75c was socket temp btw, not package. I also don't count temp spikes, they tend to be bollocks not to mention it never hit over 70c mate...

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I really hope Lisa saves the company with this chip. I'm still an AMD fan at heart and I hate having to recommend Intel CPUs to everyone.


My system

CPU: Xeon E3-1231v3  Board: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition  GPU: EVGA GTX 970 SC ACX 2.0

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3-2400 CAS 11  SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB  HDD0: HGST Deskstar NAS 4TB 7200RPM

HDD1: Seagate 1TB 7200RPM  HDD2: WD Black 1TB 7200RPM  CASE: Phanteks Enthoo Pro  PSU: Antec Neo Eco 620C

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Might hold out on upgrading my socket 775 for a little longer. Was planning to go 1150, but if Zen offers high-performance at a reasonable price, I'll happily switch to team red.

 

Oh boy, your mobo must be enjoying that torture...

 

Another misconception, Sabretooth is a top tier 990FX motherboard not a 970 with low end VRM on it. Here is a pic of my VRM heatsink not covering half my VRM, still hit 5ghz before putting the VRM under water.

 

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Wait you have the 8350 I am talking about the 9350

 

9590* My cpu is rated at 125w stock, when overclocked I'll put money on it hitting the same TDP as a 9590.

 

I think you mean 9590.

So, basically still the 8350 @ 4.7Ghz-5Ghz.

 

I'm still not sure about this, a 9590 will burn through IBT AVX quicker than my 8350 and other benchmarks, I need a 9590 to test to confirm this 9590 is an 8350 theory but then again no one will believe me, as we're all here calling my custom loop shit because it's hotter than one cooling a lower TDP intel...

 

The mind truly boggles...


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EK AMD LTX CSQ | XSPC D5 Dual Bay | Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 240mm & Coolgate Triple HD360

 

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EK Supremecy EVO & EK-MOSFET M7G  | Dual 360mm Rads | Primochill CTR Phase II w/D5 | MSI GTX970 1670MHz/8000MHz

 

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I think you mean 9590.

So, basically still the 8350 @ 4.7Ghz-5Ghz.

I don't know anymore. I don't keep up with the AMD cpus


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I really hope Lisa saves the company with this chip. I'm still an AMD fan at heart and I hate having to recommend Intel CPUs to everyone.

On the CPU side, i don't really have any brand loyalty.

Intel and AMD are both good companies and businesses that don't seem to be hated on more than the other.

Intel's only problem is price-hiking, but AMD would absolutely do the same were AMD CPUs actually competitive.

 

On the GPU side, AMD all the way.

Not even because i particularly like AMD; only because AMD can compete well with Nvidia and i do particularly hate Nvidia as a company.


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On the CPU side, i don't really have any brand loyalty.

Intel and AMD are both good companies and businesses that don't seem to be hated on more than the other.

Intel's only problem is price-hiking, but AMD would absolutely do the same were AMD CPUs actually competitive.

 

On the GPU side, AMD all the way.

Not even because i particularly like AMD; only because AMD can compete well with Nvidia and i do particularly hate Nvidia as a company.

 

Brand loyalty in any form is stupid, pick the best you can afford at the time, I recommend i5's to people who are noobs and are going to be gaming because they're easy to set up and use. To get the most out of an FX you need to overclock things and set up your memory etc, just not worth it anymore unless you have a low budget and know what you're doing.

 

I find it stupid when people recommend the i3 which is an office workhorse cpu to gamers, as soon as you launch skype, teamspeak or whatever out side of your game, you're taking resources away from the game.


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I'm still not sure about this, a 9590 will burn through IBT AVX quicker than my 8350 and other benchmarks, I need a 9590 to test to confirm this 9590 is an 8350 theory but then again no one will believe me, as we're all here calling my custom loop shit because it's hotter than one cooling a lower TDP intel...

 

The mind truly boggles...

I mean i hear they're higher binned 8350s, i don't really care to find out as i've seen benchmarks of overclocked 8350s compared to 9590s running on stock and even if they were new FX chips the performance is easily comparable to an overclocked 8350.


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Intel's only problem is price-hiking, but AMD would absolutely do the same were AMD CPUs actually competitive.

 

I don't think AMD can afford to myself. Back in the Athlon XP vs Pentium 4 days AMD mopped the floor with Intel on straight up performance, not just price to performance, and they were still significantly cheaper than the Pentium 4s were.


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I mean i hear they're higher binned 8350s, i don't really care to find out as i've seen benchmarks of overclocked 8350s compared to 9590s running on stock and even if they were new FX chips the performance is easily comparable to an overclocked 8350.

 

Well I've seen a 9590 clocked to 5.5ghz so am pretty sure I know which CPU will win there... And No I'm not willing to dig through 50 posts to find screen shots of the guy who passed stress tests with it at 5.5ghz, but I'll bet you real cash he is stable at that speed and it will out perform my 8350.

 

Another misconception "you can't overclock the 9590" false.


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Brand loyalty in any form is stupid, pick the best you can afford at the time, I recommend i5's to people who are noobs and are going to be gaming because they're easy to set up and use. To get the most out of an FX you need to overclock things and set up your memory etc, just not worth it anymore unless you have a low budget and know what you're doing.

 

I find it stupid when people recommend the i3 which is an office workhorse cpu to gamers, as soon as you launch skype, teamspeak or whatever out side of your game, you're taking resources away from the game.

I mean the cost of going through to maximizing the most potential out of an 8320/8350, even multi-threaded performance, is just not worth it to me when i can just get a 1231 v3 or 1230 v5 for less.

 

Brand loyalty is stupid though.

Even on the GPU side, i'll go AMD but i'd be stupid to not see the 980ti as a better GPU compared to the Fury X.


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I mean the cost of going through to maximizing the most potential out of an 8320/8350, even multi-threaded performance, is just not worth it to me when i can just get a 1231 v3 or 1230 v5 for less.

 

Brand loyalty is stupid though.

Even on the GPU side, i'll go AMD but i'd be stupid to not see the 980ti as a better GPU compared to the Fury X.

 

Not sure, I got my i5 system for £300 and I bet I could get a full FX rig for the same, Also the 9590 here on black friday was like £20 more than an 8370E so the price has come down a lot, I've seen second hand ones go for cheap too. The whole it's cheaper to get blank pisses me off because it's easy to tell someone its cheaper to buy something else when it's not their money.

 

Granted you can get xeons cheap but whats the fucking point? All i've seen is people fucking around with them to get them to work when it's easier to use a normal desktop cpu.

 

Regardless we're going off topic, Zen will do fine, lets all stop fucking worrying about it an speculating bullshit.


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That is custom loop and my god 75C is hot for a custom loop. 

Still cooler than my xeon under load. With quite a big air cooler and 80w tdp lol. 


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i hope 8c plus motherboard doesnt cost more than 400€


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i hope 8c plus motherboard doesnt cost more than 400€

If the 8-core can reach Haswell IPC, AMD would be stupid not to sell it at least $400 on it's own, which would still be a good deal.


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I think they said it was 40% over steamroller. I did some numbers a while ago and figured it'd be like 3% slower than Haswell IPC. But cores, clocks and stuff are unknown.

I think it was 40% over Excavator.


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I don't think it's going to beat Kaby Lake, probably not even Skylake. I don't think they're going for the most powerful cores ever, but instead the best price/performance ratio. If they beat or match Haswell and are cheaper, people will buy them since they offer the new technologies over Haswell (DDR4, USB3.1 on-chipset, more USB 3.0, more PCI-E lanes, more extra iO, ect stuff Haswell doesn't have.) That's when I would buy one. 

Kaby lake should have barely a few % more IPC than skylake. Too bad intel is REALLY going to be stalling performance until the new 10 nm chips...


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I think it was 40% over Excavator.

yes

 

it goes like this:

Bulldozer (First gen FX)

Piledriver (second gen FX, current GEN in sale, aka 43xx, 63xx, 83xx, 9370, 9590) +10% IPC over Bulldozer

Steamroller (APUs) +7% IPC over Piledriver

Excavator (APUs) +15% (AMD claims) IPC over Steamroller

 

If these numbers are real, and most are except we dont REALLY know how Carrizo adds up as there is ZERO CPU performance reviews from any reputable source, then 40% over Excavator will land ZEN at 3-5% above Haswell in IPC....

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Ya I was wondering the same thing. But I mean 40% is still quite a bit. :P

It's supposed to be 40% above excavator which is quite a bit better than bulldozer.


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If these numbers are real, and most are except we dont REALLY know how Carrizo adds up as there is ZERO CPU performance reviews from any reputable source, then 40% over Excavator will land ZEN at 3-5% above Haswell in IPC....

 

 

Moreover OEMs like HP absolutely killed the FX 8800P by limiting its TDP to minimum in order to save on cooling...


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The 40% IPC number is over Excavator people. It has been advertised as this for a long time now. Excavators IPC is already slightly improved over the previous generations of FX SKU's, so 40% was going to put it right on par with Haswell. If what this report is saying is true, we might see Skylake IPC out of Zen (Again, take this with a grain of salt because at this point, its a rumor from the company itself).

 

Even if it fails to match Skylake, and just matches Haswell, we will see 8 core CPU's with Haswell IPC, with DDR4 support and a plethora of instruction sets (If they use the same instruction sets as their previous platform, on top of the newer ones they just made exclusively for Zen, then it should be pretty nice). This might allow Zen to disrupt the Z97 and X99 markets (Maybe even the Z170 market, if the IPC boost is somewhere around 45-50%). Sadly, the lack of AVX3 means it won't have too much staying power in my eyes. Let's hope AMD includes it in their Zen+ batch.

This sounds pretty much perfect to me. If a 6 core varient of Zen is priced below a 5820K and motherboards aren't stupidly expensive, sounds like I'll be rebuild my small render farm towards the end of the year :)

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If a 6 core varient of Zen is priced below a 5820K

 

If? Expect an 8-core Zen CPU to cost less than a 5820K.

 

AMD is not Intel.


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