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Spotify fails to properly licence Eminem.

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Spotify sued over 'billions of Eminem streams'

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49436077

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Eminem's publisher, Eight Mile Style, is suing Spotify. 

It claims the music-streaming service failed to correctly license the rapper's work.

Eminem has never been properly paid for songs "streamed on Spotify billions of times", court papers say.

Well I've listened to Eminem pretty much a lot on Spotify (I'm very basic)

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Eight Mile Style is suing for approximately £30m, the maximum damages for each of what it says are 243 copyright-infringed songs.

"Spotify acted deceptively by pretending to have compulsory and/or other licences," court papers claim.

So Spotify does not properly licence Eminem music, leading to no payment being delivered correctly whenever a song is played, or however it goes. 30m Pounds is equivalent to around 62m NZD or around 40m USD. 

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Under the regulations, the online streaming service must make "reasonable efforts" to identify and locate each copyright owner of work that might be categorised as unknown.

Laughable. Clearly Eight Mile Style was not contacted. Although I don't know how else they can legally obtain the media. Maybe Spotify bought the songs on iTunes?

 

However, in my view, 40m USD is nothing for a giant like Spotify, and I suspect Eight Mile will only sue for the money they would have lost, although with the popularity of Eminem, it will probably be more. 

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Something seems a bit fishy here like.

 

Eminem's music (if we can call it that, sorry not sorry) has been on Spotify for years and the label are only just realising that they never had the proper license?


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It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  If Eminem wins this it puts serious weight back into the music industries claims that internet services have grossly undermined the value of the industry. 


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21 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  If Eminem wins this it puts serious weight back into the music industries claims that internet services have grossly undermined the value of the industry. 

The music industry is cancer. They would actively DDOS pirating websites in the early 2000s and late 90s


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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

The music industry is cancer. They would actively DDOS pirating websites in the early 2000s and late 90s

Not that I have any reason to believe they went that far, but you would too if those sites were illegally taking away your legitimate revenue.

 

Trying to stop someone who is ruining your business is hardly a "cancerous" act.

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Sometimes I miss contractions like n't on the end of words like wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't.    Please don't be a dick,  make allowances when reading my posts.

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39 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Not that I have any reason to believe they went that far, but you would too if those sites were illegally taking away your legitimate revenue.

 

Trying to stop someone who is ruining your business is hardly a "cancerous" act.

 

 

Am I going to have to school you on pirating? Its been proven countless times it does nothing to sales. Also why does the RIAA and MPAA have authority to perform malicious attacks on consumers?


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2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Am I going to have to school you on pirating? Its been proven countless times it does nothing to sales. Also why does the RIAA and MPAA have authority to perform malicious attacks on consumers?

If it's illegal for anyone in the general public to do it...why not them?


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3 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Am I going to have to school you on pirating? Its been proven countless times it does nothing to sales. Also why does the RIAA and MPAA have authority to perform malicious attacks on consumers?

 

"school"? Hah!

 

This debate comes up so many time and the old tropes just never die no matter how many facts you throw at them.

Have a read of this, i have provided all the links to the evidence.

 

 

 

Piracy does take revenue away from the music industry,  and to pretend it doesn't is just sticking your head in the sand.


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44 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Am I going to have to school you on pirating? Its been proven countless times it does nothing to sales. Also why does the RIAA and MPAA have authority to perform malicious attacks on consumers?

I wouldn't call someone who pirates music a consumer tbh. 

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Will this lead to Eminem's music being removed from Spotify? I'm not lying when I say this would seriously make me re-consider what music service I use for hip-hop music. I have a hip-hop playlist created which is dominated by the likes of G-Eazy, Logic, Drake, and of course Eminem. Having Eminem absent from that playlist would be extremely saddening.

 

I have to wonder, Eminem's music has been on Spotify for this long and the publisher has only just now noticed and acted upon this?


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9 minutes ago, sowon said:

I have to wonder, Eminem's music has been on Spotify for this long and the publisher has only just now noticed and acted upon this?

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out,  Surely if Eminem had mot been receiving any royalities alarm bells would have rung sooner, which means either it's a storm in a teacup or spotify have been diddling the books. 

 

EDIT: or Eminem did realize sooner and has just spent the last few years making sure his pile of evidence is indisputable and very hard to argue as being unintentional.


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6 hours ago, yolosnail said:

Something seems a bit fishy here like.

 

Eminem's music (if we can call it that, sorry not sorry) has been on Spotify for years and the label are only just realising that they never had the proper license?

That actually happens a lot.  Company that owns the rights seeing another company successfully selling what the first company owns will let it continue long enough to make it more profitable to sue.  


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I'm torn between my dislike of Spotify and my dislike of Eminem.

 

Some of his recent songs suggest a left leaning mentality, which should be accompanied by being thrilled with sharing his works with whatever his comerades deem to give him in response.

 

Suing for not paying him enough, seems to suggest he's nothing but a charlatan, pretending to be something he's not, merely to profit off of that appearance.


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1 hour ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm torn between my dislike of Spotify and my dislike of Eminem.

 

Some of his recent songs suggest a left leaning mentality, which should be accompanied by being thrilled with sharing his works with whatever his comerades deem to give him in response.

 

Suing for not paying him enough, seems to suggest he's nothing but a charlatan, pretending to be something he's not, merely to profit off of that appearance.

to be fair it simply seems like Spotify just isn't paying the media company, which licences Eminem's music properly. I don't think he has much to do with it himself. 

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4 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm torn between my dislike of Spotify and my dislike of Eminem.

 

Some of his recent songs suggest a left leaning mentality, which should be accompanied by being thrilled with sharing his works with whatever his comerades deem to give him in response.

 

Suing for not paying him enough, seems to suggest he's nothing but a charlatan, pretending to be something he's not, merely to profit off of that appearance.

Would you just sit back and let someone steal money from you, even if you already are wealthy? You don't become wealthy in the first place thinking like that. 

 

That said... Eminem's music has been on Spotify forever. Have they just not ever looked at the income from it? Was it left this long on purpose to increase lawsuit profit? Very dodgy imo. 


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7 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

I'm torn between my dislike of Spotify and my dislike of Eminem.

 

Some of his recent songs suggest a left leaning mentality, which should be accompanied by being thrilled with sharing his works with whatever his comerades deem to give him in response.

 

Suing for not paying him enough, seems to suggest he's nothing but a charlatan, pretending to be something he's not, merely to profit off of that appearance.

C’mon you know better than this. 

 

Just because someone is “left leaning” doesn’t make them a communist. No more than someone “right leaning” is automatically a fascist nazi. 

 

Even if Eminem is left leaning (it honestly wouldn’t shock me), doesn’t mean he rejects capitalism. 

 

Most people who are on the left side still believe in capitalism, yet they see and understand that unrestrained capitalism only

leads to extremely rich and extremely poor - so they believe that it requires regulations (such as

consumer protection laws, for example) to level the playing field. 

 

Yeah sure there are some people on the left who would be totally happy with someone “paying whatever they feel like” for something. But there are people on the right who think the earth is flat too. 

 

Neither represents the body as a whole. 


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so only after years and years of Spotify being a huge actor in music streaming does the label realize this? that seems odd


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26 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

so only after years and years of Spotify being a huge actor in music streaming does the label realize this? that seems odd

There's certainly more to the story that we don't know yet. It could be as simple as "we thought we had a deal, but Spotify was actually underpaying us, or under reporting song impressions".


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Just now, Curious Pineapple said:

Maybe when the noises that he spouts out resemble music he will get paid for it ;)

You don't have to like his music - I personally like some of his songs, but not others.

 

But let's be perfectly honest - there's far worse music out there than his.


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Just now, dalekphalm said:

You don't have to like his music - I personally like some of his songs, but not others.

 

But let's be perfectly honest - there's far worse music out there than his.

Indeed there is, most of the shite from the last decade for example. I wouldn't call that music either.

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Just now, Curious Pineapple said:

Indeed there is, most of the shite from the last decade for example. I wouldn't call that music either.

? I must admit, the whole "today's music sucks!" argument to be... well... illogical at best.

 

Every generation, in basically all of human history, has said the same thing as you. People complain that "*insert current era's music* sucks!" every decade.

 

But the truth is that there's more music now then there ever was - and there's also just as much (if not more) good music as there ever was. Places like SoundCloud and YouTube have allowed niches to grow that would have not been commercially viable in the past.

 

The music from the last decade doesn't suck. No more than the decade before that, or the one before that, or the one before that, etc.

 

Enjoy and listen to what you like. But don't shit on things other people love just for the sake of it.


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* Intel i7-4770K * ASRock Z97 Anniversary * 16GB RAM * 750w Seasonic Modular PSU *

* Crucial M4 128GB SSD (Primary) * Hitachi 500GB HDD (Secondary) *

* Gigabyte HD 7950 WF3 * SATA Blu-Ray Writer * Logitech g710+ * Windows 10 Pro x64 *

 

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