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Ryzen 3000 Leaks

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10 hours ago, cj09beira said:

thing is we do have numbers on how it should perform from epyc testing on 4 channel, and its not that bad.

btw did you notice that the difference between navi 12 and navi 10 seems too small, 25% performance increase seems too small. I can see 2 reasons for it, 1 would be navi is still stuck at 64 Cus, but that seems to go against what other leaks have said, the other is that that sku is a cut down version of the core, what are your thoughts on it? 

 

The thing with AMD GPUs is that the design budgets appear to be derived from their Semi-Custom deals. AMD is probably best thought of a hybrid of a ODM with its own brand that it sells in certain markets. They sell more CPUs as Consoles and GPUs as OEM computers & Consoles than they do in the dGPU market. As a result, and as also seems obvious from all of the independent Polaris SKUs, they clearly can run up a number of GPU "designs" in record time. Nvidia is running about 5-6 separate GPU designs every 2-3 year cycle. AMD might be doing that many per year right now.

 

It's clear to me that AMD's Modular Design approach is really paying off. They can run out a "design" in probably 6 months compared to several years, if it's from a prepared design branch. The Consoles companies want new stuff, which is where the normal design cycle happens. As a result, the question is "when did Navi's Design Portfolio lock?". If it was back in late 2017, then AMD can roll out as many different designed-down versions of Navi as they want. Though I believe the Navi Chiplet for APUs was supposed to go to GloFo, which is what had to be officially moved to TSMC.  It's really easy to forget just how many of those APUs AMD actually sells, and continues to sell for a decade after launch. 

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this cant be real... ITS NOT REAL! IT CAN'T BE!... if... IF this is real....

 


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18 minutes ago, tp95112 said:

I upgraded last month

 

5 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

i did 2 weeks ago :"|, will try to flip it and get on the zen 2 bandwagon 

Since very few people really need 16c models, which the 400+ USD price point is likely correct, you can just toss a 3rd Gen R5 in there when you feel the need. These won't be out for a bit.

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6 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

 

Since very few people really need 16c models, which the 400+ USD price point is likely correct, you can just toss a 3rd Gen R5 in there when you feel the need. These won't be out for a bit.

12 cores is what we're probably all thinking cause it just the same price at 2700

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8 minutes ago, tp95112 said:

12 cores is what we're probably all thinking cause it just the same price at 2700

For sure. I have a 1600, so I'd be doubling my core count, and getting a big clock speed boost to boot.


I'm trying not to get too caught up in the hype train though. 😅


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17 minutes ago, System32.exe said:

For sure. I have a 1600, so I'd be doubling my core count, and getting a big clock speed boost to boot.


I'm trying not to get too caught up in the hype train though. 😅

my plan is also similar, also i live in the Eu, here used prices are really really stupid if you are buying, but for sellers its great, so i might be able to sell my cpu for very close to retail.

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some of the numbers looks too good, we'll see what the all core oc is for the 8 and 16 core versions,  but if the 16 cores version matches the 9900k in gaming too, welp, time to upgrade.


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On 12/5/2018 at 7:54 AM, porina said:

If 16 core parts come with dual channel ram... bottleneck much? Unless it comes with a large side serving of L4...

Well there’s doubled L3, possible that they will introduce a large amount of L4.


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I was hesitating to upgrade because Intel's stuff, despite clocked high is based on now already rather ancient Skylake. And AMD while super new architecture wasn't hitting clocks above what I already have now with 5820K (4.5GHz). So, I was in this limbo of waiting for hardware to actually become faster out of the box from what I already have. 5GHz and beyond seems like a reasonable jump as everything till now was stuck at below 4.5GHz. Include better IPC on top of that, lower power, cooler and loaded with new tech and more efficient HT than Intel has and these look pretty sweet. But you need to aim for the top processors, otherwise you're missing out the 5GHz goodness. Ryzen 3700X seems the best sweetspot. Tons of cores, 5GHz clock and 330€ (€=$) pricetag, it's pretty neat.

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On 12/4/2018 at 7:00 PM, TigerHawk said:

Some of them seem pretty reasonable though. To me the realistic boost speeds I expect for Ryzen 2(3000 series) is 4.5 to 4.7 ish tops. 5+ is like......I dunno man. Is the shrink to 7nm really going to make THAT much of a difference? And at such a good bin rate that you can get a 16 core 5.1ghz(probably dual core boost) part for under $500 US? Holy hell?

Gotta remember, they are halving the die size. They are going from 14nm to 7nm. So yeah the gains will be large, and the IPC might improve a little as well.

 


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Just now, Orangeator said:

Gotta remember, they are halving the die size. They are going from 14nm to 7nm. So yeah the gains will be large, and the IPC might improve a little as well.

 

It's not quite half - not all dimensions and not all "components" in the processor shrink ...

Estimate around 20-25% less power for same frequency, a bit less voltage required, slightly easier to achieve higher frequencies, maybe up to 30% or around that percentage reduction in die size, if they just shrink existing design. But they'll probably play around with adding cache memory or improve avx and make hardware tweaks for those hyperthreading exploits intel had (and which amd is less susceptible to, or much harder to be exploited)

 

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1 minute ago, mariushm said:

It's not quite half - not all dimensions and not all "components" in the processor shrink ...

Estimate around 20-25% less power for same frequency, a bit less voltage required, slightly easier to achieve higher frequencies, maybe up to 30% or around that percentage reduction in die size, if they just shrink existing design. But they'll probably play around with adding cache memory or improve avx and make hardware tweaks for those hyperthreading exploits intel had (and which amd is less susceptible to, or much harder to be exploited)

  

TSMC 7nm (non EUV) has 50% less power usage at same frequency or 20-25% higher frequency at same power compared to what's AMD was using for Zen/Zen+ (not sure which one actually)

The Zen2 chiplets showed on Epyc 2 have 8 cores each and are about 70mm^2, down from 200 mm^2 at 14nm (which included all the uncore stuff, though). If all the I/O was on the 14nm die, density would still be about 2x


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9 minutes ago, Agost said:

TSMC 7nm (non EUV) has 50% less power usage at same frequency or 20-25% higher frequency at same power compared to what's AMD was using for Zen/Zen+ (not sure which one actually)

At AMD's Next Horizon event, for 7nm GPU they presented 50% power usage at same clock, >1.25x performance at same power. On CPU side they said half energy per operation. I don't recall if they went into more detail than that.

 

They didn't explicitly claim 25% clock increase though, if that applied to CPUs they'd smash 5 GHz easily, not by a bit, but by a lot. I'm not sure about that, and would be happy to be wrong on that.


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43 minutes ago, porina said:

At AMD's Next Horizon event, for 7nm GPU they presented 50% power usage at same clock, >1.25x performance at same power. On CPU side they said half energy per operation. I don't recall if they went into more detail than that.

 

They didn't explicitly claim 25% clock increase though, if that applied to CPUs they'd smash 5 GHz easily, not by a bit, but by a lot. I'm not sure about that, and would be happy to be wrong on that.

node performance increases are usually measured near where cpus have their base clock at, in global foundries case its around 3-3.5Ghz, so we can easily see much better base clocks, but max performance wont improve as much

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2 hours ago, porina said:

At AMD's Next Horizon event, for 7nm GPU they presented 50% power usage at same clock, >1.25x performance at same power. On CPU side they said half energy per operation. I don't recall if they went into more detail than that.

 

They didn't explicitly claim 25% clock increase though, if that applied to CPUs they'd smash 5 GHz easily, not by a bit, but by a lot. I'm not sure about that, and would be happy to be wrong on that.

If these leaks are true then yes, the +20/25% figure is pretty much achieved by Zen2


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>be me

>saved up money for a few years, followed the tech sphere for 2 years to gain knowledge, got to €1750

>wait for cyber monday

>tfw barely any discounts

>only get my ssd discounted

>buy entire build anyways, complete with ryzen 5 2600 and gtx 1070, tired of waiting

>parts start arriving, never felt happier in my life. every day the postman comes with more and more parts and each day feels like Christmas

 

>be me

>get up today, no school

>check youtube

>see leaks, ryzen 5 3600 8c/12t 4ghz+ clocks, rx 3070 at half what I paid for my gtx 1070

>want_to_die.gif

 

why God? I was so f****** hyped about building my system after spending 2 years on researching, balancing my budget, matching the perfect components, and it was all for nothing!

 

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7 minutes ago, M3M3G0D said:

>be me

>saved up money for a few years, followed the tech sphere for 2 years to gain knowledge, got to €1750

>wait for cyber monday

>tfw barely any discounts

>only get my ssd discounted

>buy entire build anyways, complete with ryzen 5 2600 and gtx 1070, tired of waiting

>parts start arriving, never felt happier in my life. every day the postman comes with more and more parts and each day feels like Christmas

 

>be me

>get up today, no school

>check youtube

>see leaks, ryzen 5 3600 8c/12t 4ghz+ clocks, rx 3070 at half what I paid for my gtx 1070

>want_to_die.gif

 

why God? I was so f****** hyped about building my system after spending 2 years on researching, balancing my budget, matching the perfect components, and it was all for nothing!

 

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well if you would of seen AMDs trend mainstream CPUs come out around Q2, so this shouldn't be a surprise.

 

And this stuff is still 6~ months away.

 

And its not for "nothing" you are still getting a great PC, and you can socket upgrade to a 3600 presumably. you might lose 50-100 on selling the 2600 but its not that bad.


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27 minutes ago, M3M3G0D said:

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how do you electrocute yourself when the outlet have 2 holes and your fork has 3 spears?

 

27 minutes ago, M3M3G0D said:

why God? I was so f****** hyped about building my system after spending 2 years on researching, balancing my budget, matching the perfect components, and it was all for nothing!

return the gtx 1070 and temporarly use an R9 290x untill new products launch? new products will allways come along mind you. also have some salt, these rumours will need them

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34 minutes ago, M3M3G0D said:

>be me

>saved up money for a few years, followed the tech sphere for 2 years to gain knowledge, got to €1750

>wait for cyber monday

>tfw barely any discounts

>only get my ssd discounted

>buy entire build anyways, complete with ryzen 5 2600 and gtx 1070, tired of waiting

>parts start arriving, never felt happier in my life. every day the postman comes with more and more parts and each day feels like Christmas

 

>be me

>get up today, no school

>check youtube

>see leaks, ryzen 5 3600 8c/12t 4ghz+ clocks, rx 3070 at half what I paid for my gtx 1070

>want_to_die.gif

 

why God? I was so f****** hyped about building my system after spending 2 years on researching, balancing my budget, matching the perfect components, and it was all for nothing!

You can update the UEFI and put a 3000 series processor on your motherboard. Hope you bought a good mobo and a fast kit of RAM.


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