FLUFFYJELLO

There's no "both" option, so I'm gonna sit this one out.

Overclock. Fix your drivers. Troubleshoot your issues. Switching from the 2014 Intel platform to a 2011/2012 AMD platform is a waste in all circumstances.And before calling someone an idiot, consider the idea of upgrading to a 4790(K) which would destroy any AMD processor in any application.
Edit: or grab a Xeon 1231v3 as the person above me said; also a better option than the FX platform.

the capabilities of the 6350 to "equal" the 4460 just is not practical. more expensive
motherboard, elaborate cooling and fears of always feeling anchored to something
you'll constantly be fretting might crash or be incompatible. not worth the headaches
of running on a ragged edge to something that you literally leave alone and spend
more time playing your division game.

Then save for one, instead of settling for something barely breaking 40 fps.
 
    That doesn't change the simple fact that in the relative sense, AMD FX chips are scoring poorly in those types of IPC-scaling games. Might have something to do with the fact their IPC is only 40-50% of Intel's. Not some AMD prejudice. You people sound like leftists sometimes. Like pointing out gender/racial differences is somehow being racist/sexist. Wouldn't be surprised if that is a trait particular to that sort of personality.

Heck I'll gladly sacrifice 1-2 fps to keep costs down. And that's easily within margin of error, too. Glad testing is going along smoothly. Keep it up!

Update 10/13/2015:
 
Put a 50" TV overtop the !nverse Prototype. Here are some photos:
 


 
As can be seen, the case holds the TV over it with no problem.
 
Also finished the fitment tests. Here are some photos:
 
Air Cooling Configuration:
 


 
If using SFX PSU or SFX-L PSU, this configuration fits 3 x 3.5" hard drive and 2 x 2.5" hard drive.
 
120mm AIO Cooling Configuration:
 


 
If using SFX PSU, this configuration fits 2 x 3.5" hard drive and 2 x 2.5" hard drive. If using SFX-L PSU, this configuration fits 1 x 3.5" hard drive and 2 x 2.5" hard drive.
 
240mm AIO Cooling Configuration:
 


 
If using either SFX or SFX-L PSU, this configuration fits 2 x 2.5" hard drive.
 
Media Storage Configuration:
 



 
If using SFX PSU, this configuration fits 8 x 3.5" hard drive and 4 x 2.5" hard drive. if using SFX-L PSU, this configuration fits 7 x 3.5" hard drive and 4 x 2.5" hard drive.

6 whole days! Oh wow, alright guys we're gonna need to take back every negative review about CX PSUs, this guy's been F@H for SIX DAYS!/s

It’s high time to start shutting down some of these myths. There have been too many poorly written and misleading articles published on various tech “news” websites, generating hype out of nothing. Pascal is entirely focused on HPC (high-performance compute, a.k.a. supercomputers and servers) and NVIDIA hasn’t said so much as a word about gaming. But at every turn people keep trying as hard as they can to interpret every statement as "amazing for gamers!", and every time NVIDIA specifically says “compute performance” the words somehow turn into “gaming performance” in people’s minds, leading to a lot of false impressions and expectations. I'm not saying Pascal won't have amazing gaming performance. I'm saying we have no information about Pascal's gaming performance so far. Pascal might be great for gaming, it might be rubbish. NVIDIA has said nothing on the topic, basically none of what they've said so far is really applicable to gaming.

But anyway... let’s get busting!

"10× the Performance of Maxwell GM200!"

"NVLink!"

"8-Way SLI!"

"32 GiB of Memory!"

"HBM2 (3D Memory)!"

The things NVIDIA has actually claimed specifically:
NVLink will be useful as a replacement for PCI Express in supercomputers, and will have 80 GB/s of total bandwidth shared between the CPU and the number of GPUs in the system. (NVIDIA developer blog) NVLink can be used as a GPU-GPU interconnect without replacing PCIe as the system interconnect, which provides great benefit for HPC and multi-GPU accelerated computing algorithms. No word on what this means for regular desktop cards and multi-GPU gaming. (NVIDIA developer blog) 2× the power efficiency (performance per watt) in SGEMM operations compared to Maxwell GM200; that’s a bit out of my depth so I don’t know how relevant that is to gaming applications, but I do think it’s important to notice that NVIDIA was very specific not to claim 2× power efficiency just as a general statement, so it probably won’t be, otherwise they would have just said that. (slide from keynote) 4× FP16 performance in mixed precision mode compared to Maxwell GM200; not really relevant for gaming, though it could mean the FP32 performance of Pascal is 2× that of Maxwell, this is only speculation so I don't know why I'm even mentioning it in this section (slide from keynote) Very roughly 10× the overall throughput for deep learning problems compared to Maxwell GM200 (slide from keynote) Up to 32 GiB of 3D memory (HBM) in highest-end cards (and not necessarily highest-end GeForce cards) (slide from keynote) Up to 3× the memory bandwidth of Maxwell GM200 (so, ≈1 TB/s) (slide from keynote) 8 GPUs in a future Pascal-based deep learning devkit (SLI not mentioned) (end of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdNRqZSRgfA)
So, I don’t mean to dampen the mood or say Pascal won’t be great, not at all; the reality is we have absolutely no idea how Pascal will be for gaming, there’s been no information about that topic yet. It might be only a marginal improvement, it might be totally amazing. Everything we’ve heard so far is about compute capabilities. As much as the sensationalist “news” sites across the web want to make it seem like all these things are applicable to gaming, they simply aren’t. So far the Pascal architecture seems to be entirely centered around high-performance compute and accelerated computing.

We’ll see what kind of gaming performance Pascal brings to the table in due time. For now, just sit back, relax, and be careful of what you read on the Internet.

Full GTC 2015 Keynote:

GTC 2016 Update:
https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/inside-pascal/

NVIDIA has released specifications for the GP100 GPU ("Big Pascal"), as well as the NVIDIA Tesla P100, a compute acceleration module which will use the GP100 GPU.
 
Specifications of the GP100 GPU include:
3840 FP32 cores, 1920 FP64 cores (1/2 FP32) Cores are arranged in to 60 groups of cores called SMs, with 64 FP32 cores and 32 FP64 cores in each group 240 texture units (4 per SM) 4096-bit HBM2 memory interface (8 × 512-bit) 4 MiB L2 cache 15.3 billion transistors 610 mm2 die area Manufactured by TSMC on a 16 nm fabrication process Specifications for the Tesla P100 compute accelerator include:
A GP100 GPU with 4 SMs disabled (56 out of 60 enabled), for a total of 3584 FP32 cores active (1792 FP64 cores) A 1328 MHz base frequency and 1480 MHz boost frequency 224 texture units enabled Up to 16 GiB of HBM2 DRAM on a full 4096-bit memory interface 300 watt TDP 5.3 FP64 TFLOPs at boost frequency (3× compared to Kepler GK110's 1.7 TFLOPs, and 25× compared to Maxwell GM200's pathetic 0.2 TFLOPs) With FP64 = 1/2 FP32, this implies 10.6 TFLOPs in theoretical FP32 performance, which is 16% faster than the theoretical performance of a Maxwell GM200 GPU at equal frequency (1.4 GHz), and 72% faster than a 1.0 GHz Maxwell GM200 GPU (TITAN X stock frequency). Also keep in mind that this is with only 56 out of 60 SMs enabled.  

15 yard penalty for the use of "future proof"
 
Buy what works the best, not looking into a crystal ball.

if he wants to save some money
get a intel xeon e3 1231v3

any xeon in your price range.

You, sir, are a good friend. Maybe you can add more storage to this system, possibly turning it into a portable NAS to give it more use?
 
I love the 4790k btw. The recent skylake releases are kinda a disappointment.
 
 
I think it'll be OK for me to give you the CAD files, since I do want modders like you to do some interesting things with the case I actually believe a custom water-cooled loop is possible in this case, so that might be something cool for someone to try.
 
We would have to sign some sort of agreement stating that you won't sell the design and won't give the CAD files to other people, etc.. Standard stuff to protect the work that my team has been doing for the past year.
 
The outer panels are 2mm thick aluminum. After having handled the prototype, I think 1.5mm thick aluminum should be sufficient.

Temps are looking pretty good, I'm certainly not looking to put as power hungry or hot a system in the case (same i5 but only like a GTX 950 inside). And not overclocking like crazy either. For me personally the tests are promising, though probably raising the feet an additional 2-4mm would offer a significant drop in temperatures.
Regardless, I'm very interested to see how the testing progresses! Keep up the great work!

A lot of factors - but I always prefer to simple get an XFX TS 550W for 36$ and not worry when I know 40*C won't kill it

I think there are exceptions with cases as well. In a case like the H440 the PSU is separate from all the other components in the build and thus isn't as influenced by the heat coming from them. Still not a recommendation from me, though. A buddy of mine is running a 970 and a 1231v3 in a Xigmatek Aquila case. Another separated PSU from the main chamber (also extremely low-power components) attributing to his stability.

:ph34r:

Idiots and fanboysIdiots and fanboys......

Ops - my bad

4960X is X79 btw.

How does that make benchmarks essentially worthless?
Does every DX11 game use every DX11 feature? That's not how APIs are used in the real world.

If you want wait for better hardware, you will wait forever. Just buy what is awesome today and be done with it.

You are seriously so f***ing quick with these guides; it's ridiculous.

Props to you - The fast way to be added to peoples ignore list so they wont interact with your posts anymore.

980Ti or bust, the way of the world.
I lost my shit when you said it was ONLY for bragging rights. (Cos your friends can bag you themselves for the shitty purchase over the 980Ti)

http://www.pccasegear.com/sc/vXl
 
(might up to a 750W psu)

I can vouch and concur on this, the NH-L9i is only about 2-5C cooler than stock performance; though much quieter. The 4.5GHz OC I had on my 4690K using an NH-U12S had to be scaled back because temps were getting way too high.