CPU for Streaming/Youtube

[CalebTheEternal]

Alright so my friend wants some extra feedback and he doesn't trust me... He wants a streaming PC and I told him to get the i7 4790k and he said no, he wants to save $100 and get something that is "Just as good" which is the AMD 9590. I told him no... I just want your opinions on what he should get...

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GPJFEJC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80646I74790K-i7-4790K-Processor-Cache/dp/B00KPRWAX8/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1443755154&sr=1-1&keywords=i7+4790k

[Guest Kloaked]

Intel will suit him better no matter what.

 

I get the whole "Well AMD has more cores and will beat Intel in streaming". True, but the difference is negligible for streaming. Why get something that's a percent or two better for one thing but suck at your other usage?

[dappy9]

I might be wrong but 16 gb of ram + an i5 should be fine, no?

[TroubleKlef]

4790k. Ideally a 5820k.

[dukethedj]

Tell him to save up $100 and get the i7. At this price point, AMD is not that good.

[CalebTheEternal]

I might be wrong but 16 gb of ram + an i5 should be fine, no?

 

 

Intel will suit him better no matter what.

 

I get the whole "Well AMD has more cores and will beat Intel in streaming". True, but the difference is negligible for streaming. Why get something that's a percent or two better for one thing but suck at your other usage?

 

I told him that too.... He thinks that more cores = better. Any way I can explain to him WHY intel is better with less cores?

[InTechsicated]

I stream to Twitch just fine with a I5 4590. The graphics card, internet connection, and capture device will contribute the most essential bits. 

[Enderman]

tbh all the FX9000 CPUs are crap

an i5 has better single core performance (which matters more in games) and an 8+ thread i7 or xeons outperforms it in pretty much everything

 

the FX9000 CPUs are just overclocked and overpriced 8350s which now use way more power and create way more heat

also you need a $200+ motherboard with enough VRMs and power phases to keep the motherboard from burning out

 

If he wants to get it anyway then let him, and you can laugh at his ignorance and fanboyism

[Enderman]

I told him that too.... He thinks that more cores = better. Any way I can explain to him WHY intel is better with less cores?

 

just show him this

[CalebTheEternal]

tbh all the FX9000 CPUs are crap

an i5 has better single core performance (which matters more in games) and an 8+ thread i7 or xeons outperforms it in pretty much everything

 

the FX9000 CPUs are just overclocked and overpriced 8350s which now use way more power and create way more heat

also you need a $200+ motherboard with enough VRMs and power phases to keep the motherboard from burning out

 

If he wants to get it anyway then let him, and you can laugh at his ignorance and fanboyism

Lmao that's what I told him. I said look, I've spent some time with computer parts, and he doesn't know TOO much but he knows some. I told him have fun with a shitty CPU

[Guest Kloaked]

I told him that too.... He thinks that more cores = better. Any way I can explain to him WHY intel is better with less cores?

 

FX CPU's are old, Intel is newer.

 

Doesn't matter how many cores they have. They could have 16 on a single die and still suck.

[hsm]

any xeon in your price range.

[techguru]

if he wants to save some money

get a intel xeon e3 1231v3

[D2ultima]

I get the whole "Well AMD has more cores and will beat Intel in streaming". True, but the difference is negligible for streaming. Why get something that's a percent or two better for one thing but suck at your other usage?

The difference is NOT negligible. It's not even close. You couldn't clock any AMD CPU high enough without LN2 to beat a stock 4790K as far as streaming is concerned. Whether or not somebody knows what to do with the chips (like the user below who thinks an i5 is fine) is another matter entirely.

 

I stream to Twitch just fine with a I5 4590. The graphics card, internet connection, and capture device will contribute the most essential bits. 

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, are using default settings and compression, and should refrain from talking about what matters for stream quality until you go and do a fuckton of research. Harsh, but it's true.

[Guest Kloaked]

The difference is NOT negligible. It's not even close. You couldn't clock any AMD CPU high enough without LN2 to beat a stock 4790K as far as streaming is concerned. Whether or not somebody knows what to do with the chips (like the user below who thinks an i5 is fine) is another matter entirely.

 

For some run of the mill streamer? AMD's core count comes into play there and matches, sometimes beats an Intel chip. The person doing the test acted like it was proof to recommend an AMD chip over, but I didn't think it was as the results were negligible.

 

Thinking back on the benchmark I remember seeing, it may have been an i5 they put an 8350 against for streaming purposes and not an i7.

[dappy9]

Show him single threaded performance intel vs amd

[CalebTheEternal]

any xeon in your price range.

 

if he wants to save some money

get a intel xeon e3 1231v3

I didnt think about any xeons, don't know much about them too, they still good for gaming?

[techguru]

I didnt think about any xeons, don't know much about them too, they still good for gaming?

the 1231v3 is basically an i7..without the built in gpu and no overclocking

but its already fast enough

don't need to overclock

[InTechsicated]

The difference is NOT negligible. It's not even close. You couldn't clock any AMD CPU high enough without LN2 to beat a stock 4790K as far as streaming is concerned. Whether or not somebody knows what to do with the chips (like the user below who thinks an i5 is fine) is another matter entirely.

 

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, are using default settings and compression, and should refrain from talking about what matters for stream quality until you go and do a fuckton of research. Harsh, but it's true.

You are one butthurt little dude. Just relax.

[D2ultima]

You are one butthurt little dude. Just relax.

You don't know anything. I'm not butthurt, but if that's your only defense to me saying you know nothing, then you've already proven my point. Go learn some things or don't comment on what you don't know as fact.

 

For some run of the mill streamer? AMD's core count comes into play there and matches, sometimes beats an Intel chip. The person doing the test acted like it was proof to recommend an AMD chip over, but I didn't think it was as the results were negligible.

 

Thinking back on the benchmark I remember seeing, it may have been an i5 they put an 8350 against for streaming purposes and not an i7.

i7 chips benefit so much from hyperthreading with x264 it's not even a joke.

 

On average, a 3.5GHz haswell i7 ~= a 4.4GHz haswell i5 ~= a 4.8GHz FX-8350 as far as x264 streaming is concerned, at least as far as OBS is concerned.

 

A stock i7-4790K (4.2GHz once turbo is working correctly) would need an 8350 to approach 5.8GHz to compete. The 6700K is even faster due to IPC improvements, leading an 8350 to approach 6GHz to compete, and pretty much any hexacore Ivy Bridge or Haswell i7 even at 4GHz would be impossible to match on an 8350. Even if you used LN2 there's no way you could get one of those things to run over 7GHz for extended periods, and by that point cooling the AMD chip would probably be more expensive than the intels which could use a $60 air cooler and beat the AMD chips soundly.

 

An i5 is a different story... assuming chips top out near 4.6-4.7GHz, and with a decent watercooler an 8350 might handle 5-5.3GHz, then they're about evenly matched. But since the unlocked i5s and most any old board add up to a good AMD OCing board + 8350 + good cooling solution for 5GHz+ speeds, it's a moot point.

 

There's just no competition for an i7 in any application where hyperthreading is well-utilized, especially if said i7 is overclockable.

 

And finally, yes. I believe any old run-of-the-mill streamer should put in some work into making sure his stuff looks good. When I had 2Mb upload I did my absolute best for quality regardless of game and I achieved quite a bit for my limited capabilities. People who just load up, set 720p 60fps and 3500 bitrate are often wasting their CPU and never bother to learn anything. If I can take the same system as someone else and get better quality at 2500 bitrate than they get at 3200 bitrate, then what's their excuse? 

[Nena Trinity]

FX-83?0, Xeon or i7! :3

[Guest trucker2]

An I7 or 9590 for youtube?........And people are arguing which is better....for youtube.

A6 with MB for 59 bucks

[FLUFFYJELLO]

Xeon. If he wants the core count (hyperthreading in this case) and power of a streaming PC without an i7, he needs to get a Xeon. A 9000 series FX chip should never, under any circumstances, be considered. An 8000 series+overclock would be all I could even remotely consider on AMD's side in this case. But the Xeon exists, a 1230v3 or 1231v3 is just a 4770 with no iGPU, and cost ~$100 less. Boom, there's your answer. Oh, and coolio fact: you only need a run of the mill cheapo B87/H81/H87 mobo to run the Xeon, which will save more money over the FX platform.

[Dabombinable]

I told him that too.... He thinks that more cores = better. Any way I can explain to him WHY intel is better with less cores?

You could show him the Cinebench thread. The FX series gets rekt by even the older Phenom II X6.