Shots fired! CNET's review of Alienware Alpha

[Logan2012]

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[Logan2012]

I would hope that the console peasants would wake up, but sadly they won't. They are determined to make their purchasing decisions out of ignorance "I don't have time to build a PC!, I dont have time to make sure things are up to date, I don't have time to look up what kind of hardware I should need, etc".

 

They refuse to wake up and make responsible decisions, and the industry suffers as a result.

Some people don't want to play with a mouse and keyboard. Some people don't want to constantly upgrade their system to play the latest games. Some people don't have the knowledge to build a pc. Why does it matter if they play consoles because the last time I checked the good ol PC Master Race was doing just fine financialy. Calling them peasants because their hardware is inferior doesn't help either. So maybe you you should wake up and realize people have a choice and they don't need idiots like you mocking them because they're not playing on pc.

[ComradeHX]

Ignorant elitists whose closed minded views brings them down even more. I prefer the console community.

On the irony...

[totjup5]

Stop being a snob. People who use consoles aren't ignorant, they're simple. What you fail to understand is that most people don't give fuck about graphics, upgrading and frame rate. They just want to sit on their couch and enjoy games.

Console players may not all be ignorant inherently. However, the ones that defend consoles, recite common myths about PC gaming, and say that consoles are better than PCs when PCs are objectively better in every way are ignorant.

[Ren]

While I do agree with EVERYTHING you both just said. I have to say something, as it turns out, we are the idiot peasants, we ALLOWED the game companies to DESTROY PC gaming because of consoles, WE get shitty ports that are unoptimized on high end hardware that could run those games at the very least double the framerate the consoles can and we didn't hang them for those actions!!! Unity is only one example of the major fuck ups that happened over the last few years! Locking framerates, silly textures, poor optimization, random frame drops and so on...

Your second post kind of touched on this but what blows my mind is when people support these poorly optimized games or games that simply suck. Them being ported from consoles just exacerbates the issue for me. I'm still not gung-ho about the indie game movement and Steam Greenlight and kickstarters up the wazoo; every single one of those things has major problems. The game industry is in a bad way right now and all I wish people would do is support actually good games. It doesn't have to compete with Crysis or TES:VI or anything else, it doesn't need to have 400 hours of gameplay.

I just want to see more people throw their money at game developers that seem to give a shit about their product and put forth something that runs stable and is fun. Doing that alone will help raise the standards that we currently have to deal with in games. I am in awe of what people are capable of tolerating, let alone willing to pay for. And it's frustrating because the majority of people are just that dumb, which ruins everything for everyone else.

I'd be willing to compare government bodies to the general consumer for gaming. If only for example's sake since we all know most people aren't oozing brilliance.

[Lord Baal]

 

what a load of crap seriously how elitist.  consoles have a lot going for them, for one the a mile easier, open box, plug in, turn on, insert game, play no drivers no building no installing clients just because you game does not mean you want to build a pc, online is so much better than on pc games are cheaper on pc(even in steam sales) when you factor in trade ins. just because you prefer PC dosnt make you better or worse of a person then some one who prefers console. 

 

I just dont see where this fits in? console gamers wont move from there platform, i mean all there frends will be there xbox live/psn is very appealing and fro the most part better than pc multiplayer those that try to play FPS vs pc players with a controller will be at a big disadvantage and its sill a pc....there is also the whole origin and uplay thing, i mean will the be supported? then there is pc games who would most probably think i could build a system with better specs or at least the same for the same price and mod it how i like

Console games aren't cheaper(even if you use trade ins which hurt devs and brought us the online pass...) there is installing and updates on consoles. Online isn't better unless you love listening to screaming children and you have to pay subscription to even be online. Hell I'd argue that consoles aren't even much if any easier to use then a correctly setup dedicated living room gaming pc Steam, Origin and Uplay tend to make things ridiculously easy and if the system only has 1 large hard drive so noobs don't have to try and work out where they want their games installed it's pretty much double click done.(Geforce experience or AMD gaming evolved take care of keeping drivers upto date for you)

It's not like YOU have to build your gaming machine anymore then you have to build your console, you could buy something like this pre-built or have it built by a friend/family member or any one of the thousands of places that offer custom built machines. I tend to build and configure systems for just about anyone I know so long as they cover the hardware/shipping costs because I enjoy building systems.

"those that try to play FPS vs pc players with a controller will be at a big disadvantage" - I don't even know if you're trying to say controllers are at a disadvantage or keyboard and mouse users are... So long as you use your preferred input chances are you're going to play at your best so the advantage/disadvantage will be mostly skill based. 

"then there is pc gamers who would most probably think i could build a system with better specs or at least the same for the same price and mod it how i like"

^This is true I wouldn't buy this device I'd just build my own better version. - Arguably I already have with my HTPC

I own multiple consoles as well as multiple computers I game on both console and PC I'm not saying there's anything wrong with console gamers or that they don't have upsides you just failed to list their true upsides.

[x-eagleeye-x]

Yes they are a lot of them are ignorant and they are very ignorant kind of extreme fanboys, they ignore a lot of thing, but console have their advantages and disadvantages so does other platforms. 

 

Yes because we obviously don't have extreme fanbois on the PC platform. Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Anti-Apple, Master Race, etc. /s

[zacRupnow]

I would hope that the console peasants would wake up, but sadly they won't. They are determined to make their purchasing decisions out of ignorance "I don't have time to build a PC!, I dont have time to make sure things are up to date, I don't have time to look up what kind of hardware I should need, etc".

 

They refuse to wake up and make responsible decisions, and the industry suffers as a result.

And the conslows don't have "perfect games" anymore, an incentive of old conslows (at least in their later years) was that glitches were not common and patches for games and software was rare. Now conslow users DO need to make sure things are up to date and deal with patches and need to connect to play and shit.

 

On the other hand, when I play Chivalry I think of a conslow burning every time I kill a filthy peasant.

[Lord Baal]

Yeah, if everyone was playing on high end PC games would look nicer . But seriously, who cares about that? Not to mention fact that without "plebs" as you say it - we wouldn't get as many AAA titles as we do now. 

 

By the way, if you think that we are getting shitty ports , maybe your PC sucks? My 780ti doesn't complain about anything - in fact even "shitty" AC:U runs good.

Well graphics are pretty lol We'd have just as many tripleA titles without consoles, Your 780ti costs as much as an entire console and is much more powerful so it should run things much better then any console and system requirements/fps are far from the only things that can make a port shitty. How about games with extremely poor controls or menu options not to mention those that still say press X or start as so so many do hell some even mix it up and show a menu from the xbox on one screen and playstation on another haha

[kacper]

Well graphics are pretty lol We'd have just as many tripleA titles without consoles, Your 780ti costs as much as an entire console and is much more powerful so it should run things much better then any console and system requirements/fps are far from the only things that can make a port shitty. How about games with extremely poor controls or menu options not to mention those that still say press X or start as so so many do hell some even mix it up and show a menu from the xbox on one screen and playstation on another haha

If I can play games like FFXIII on PC why not? If I have a choice between not having port or having shitty port , I'll go with having it. FFXIII with forced 4MSAA, 16AF and playing it at 4k 60fps looks better than most of games that I've played in few years. 

 

As for AAA count without consoles - do you really think that all people that bought PS4/XO would buy gaming PC if consoles were non existent?

 

I can't even tell if I am being provoked into this pointless discussions or not. 

[killers993]

Am I the only one that enjoys playing games on both consoles and pc...

[sqwidee]

Am I the only one that enjoys playing games on both consoles and pc...

 

You aren't alone. Only an idiot would deny how amazing some console exclusives are. Persona 5 incoming!

[cesrai]

Yes because we obviously don't have extreme fanbois on the PC platform. Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Anti-Apple, Master Race, etc. /s

Yes we do have extreme fanboy and I didn't say we didn't have them don't shove words in my mouth.

[cesrai]

Am I the only one that enjoys playing games on both consoles and pc...

Nope still using my PS2.

[Derangel]

I do have a gtx 660. The rest of my system is fine though.

 

I was referring more to the general degradation of development practices in general, like releasing an unfinished game and just fixing anything that pops up with a patch.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y

 

This video applies not just to pre-orders, but to the entire console gaming scene in general. Have you every really stopped to think "is this screwing me?". Can people not just learn some patience and learn to get as much value for their money as possible, instead of just "OOOH NEW CONSOLE MUST BUY, 90% MORE GEN!!!!"

 

Edit: I also forgot, games like Destiny, where you are going to have to pay in order to finish the storyline (which by some accounts is shitty to begin with).

 

And things would be different if every migrated to the PC how exactly? I'm not sure what fantasy world you live in but consoles aren't to blame for anything, it's the companies and the people that run them at fault here. Do you really think we would magically get better games or games the run better? We wouldn't have shitty ports but we'd still have buggy, broken, releases that perform like shit. It is also VERY likely that the shift would simply put a ton more people in the low to mid range end, people who probably wouldn't upgrade their computers for 4-6 years. In effect they would still have consoles, just consoles with problems a hell of a lot more complex to deal with. Developers would still make games that work well for those systems and we'd still have the same support for the enthusiast level. A no console world is the same shit with a different skin on it.

[Lord Baal]

If I can play games like FFXIII on PC why not? If I have a choice between not having port or having shitty port , I'll go with having it. FFXIII with forced 4MSAA, 16AF and playing it at 4k 60fps looks better than most of games that I've played in few years. 

 

As for AAA count without consoles - do you really think that all people that bought PS4/XO would buy gaming PC if consoles were non existent?

 

I can't even tell if I am being provoked into this pointless discussions or not. 

You told someone they had to have a crappy PC if they complain about shitty ports I proved you wrong.

We had plenty of good tripleA games before consoles.. Consoles have helped the market in some ways and hurt it in others. It's the entire trade in thing that brought us the online pass after all.

[Jerakl]

*cough*TotalBiscuit not being able to run AC:U*cough*

Honestly, I see so many shitty ports now instead of decent ports. I still don't see why they port it from the console to the PC version when it was originally developed and running on a PC.

AW was a decent port. Except for that damn mouse acceleration bug. 

[Darkman]

AW was a decent port. Except for that damn mouse acceleration bug. 

I know. For some people like one of my friends it doesn't like their computer on the lowest possible settings... Then again he's running a terrible FX 4100 that performs VERY close to my i5 650... Yeah, that's kind of sad.

[RazeG3SG1]

So how much does a PS4 costs and how much does this costs? If they are similarly priced then I see no reason to get the consoles except for their exclusives.

[twovaliant2]

I'm just trying to figure out how you launch Skype from the Alienware UI....lol

[kacper]

You told someone they had to have a crappy PC if they complain about shitty ports I proved you wrong.

We had plenty of good tripleA games before consoles.. Consoles have helped the market in some ways and hurt it in others. It's the entire trade in thing that brought us the online pass after all.

I told someone that he had too crappy PC because he was acting elitist.

[ShadowCaptain]

I'm just trying to figure out how you launch Skype from the Alienware UI....lol

 

You dont, you would have to access the desktop for that, steam has a voice client though so you dont need to if you are playing with a friend on steam

[-TesseracT-]

Please stop using the term "console peasant". Show some respect to who makes different choice because he has different need.

I call people "peasants" not for playing consoles, but for their ignorance. There are people who fully understand the benefits of PC gaming but still chooses consoles.

 

This thread is basically the reason I hate tech forums, and especially this bullshit trash community (At least when this gets posted)

 

Take the PC Master Race bullshit and stick it where the sun doesn't shine

I enjoy these threads, they can spawn interesting discussions at times.

[jaggysnake57]

Console games aren't cheaper(even if you use trade ins which hurt devs and brought us the online pass...) there is installing and updates on consoles. Online isn't better unless you love listening to screaming children and you have to pay subscription to even be online. Hell I'd argue that consoles aren't even much if any easier to use then a correctly setup dedicated living room gaming pc Steam, Origin and Uplay tend to make things ridiculously easy and if the system only has 1 large hard drive so noobs don't have to try and work out where they want their games installed it's pretty much double click done.(Geforce experience or AMD gaming evolved take care of keeping drivers upto date for you)

It's not like YOU have to build your gaming machine anymore then you have to build your console, you could buy something like this pre-built or have it built by a friend/family member or any one of the thousands of places that offer custom built machines. I tend to build and configure systems for just about anyone I know so long as they cover the hardware/shipping costs because I enjoy building systems.

"those that try to play FPS vs pc players with a controller will be at a big disadvantage" - I don't even know if you're trying to say controllers are at a disadvantage or keyboard and mouse users are... So long as you use your preferred input chances are you're going to play at your best so the advantage/disadvantage will be mostly skill based. 

"then there is pc gamers who would most probably think i could build a system with better specs or at least the same for the same price and mod it how i like"

^This is true I wouldn't buy this device I'd just build my own better version. - Arguably I already have with my HTPC

I own multiple consoles as well as multiple computers I game on both console and PC I'm not saying there's anything wrong with console gamers or that they don't have upsides you just failed to list their true upsides.

 

where to start.

 

trade ins hurt devs, really......you really eat that corporate shit up don't you. the online pass is just another way for publishers to fleece you this whole pre owned game crap is exactly that crap. put it like this when you buy a second hand car do you have to kick back to the manufacturer? i mean its the same thing, car manufactures loose out on a brand new sale every time a second hand car is sold right. in fact selling second hand should be band altogether by your logic as they "hurt the manufacturer".  no devs should not get a kick back and we should be allowed to sell OUR games, cars and whatever else on. as for consoles not being cheaper, when you can normally get £20-£25 for your prewoned games that are fairly new then in the long run it workks out to be cheaper than pc games.

 

i should have made this clearer but what i was saying is that a pc gamer with a M+KB vs a pc gamer with a controller in fps games and some others will have an advantage.  the mouse movements are so much quicker than a controller leading to a much better reaction time

 

again a console is plug and play 1 client to handle all your games not multiple clients and the same can be said for voice chat freinds lists its all in one place and is easy to access. some one mentioned installs and that consoles still needs to install, yeah but thats from a disk and its a million times quicker than a DL over the net. 

 

sorry but console gaming has its upsides.  there is no pcmasterace

[Lord Baal]

where to start.

 

trade ins hurt devs, really......you really eat that corporate shit up don't you. the online pass is just another way for publishers to fleece you this whole pre owned game crap is exactly that crap. put it like this when you buy a second hand car do you have to kick back to the manufacturer? i mean its the same thing, car manufactures loose out on a brand new sale every time a second hand car is sold right. in fact selling second hand should be band altogether by your logic as they "hurt the manufacturer".  no devs should not get a kick back and we should be allowed to sell OUR games, cars and whatever else on. as for consoles not being cheaper, when you can normally get £20-£25 for your prewoned games that are fairly new then in the long run it workks out to be cheaper than pc games.

 

i should have made this clearer but what i was saying is that a pc gamer with a M+KB vs a pc gamer with a controller in fps games and some others will have an advantage.  the mouse movements are so much quicker than a controller leading to a much better reaction time

 

again a console is plug and play 1 client to handle all your games not multiple clients and the same can be said for voice chat freinds lists its all in one place and is easy to access. some one mentioned installs and that consoles still needs to install, yeah but thats from a disk and its a million times quicker than a DL over the net. 

 

sorry but console gaming has its upsides.  there is no pcmasterace

Yes trade ins hurt devs there's no debating it online passes started as a direct result of people buying used games saying it doesn't is no different to saying piracy doesn't either way the devs/publishers don't see a cent and with trade ins/second hand games you become gamestops/EB games bitch. In Australia at least you're lucky to get more then $15-20au back on games less then a week old that often retail for up to $110 so aren't cheaper at all and they don't have the crazy sales that PC gamers get either. You seem to think PC's don't have physical media anymore or something PC can install from disc(I have 2 optical drives for a reason) just as easily as you can on console faster with a good ssd if you're so worried about time, consoles also get stuck with large downloads the same as PC does.

I never said consoles didn't have their upsides you're imagining that in fact I said they did and you just failed to name their biggest strengths.

There are plenty of arguments that support pc being far superior to consoles in many many regards so long as you're not too stupid or simple to be able to use them such as less screaming kids, no stupid subscription just to play online when you already pay for your internet(adding $120 a year to the cost of the console) better graphics, better input support often resulting in a more realistic experience(HOTAS for example), game mods and customization,they're largely backward compatible, easy multi-screen gaming or multitasking. Not to mention all the none game related things PC's can do. I game on both but there's no arguing the fact PC is stronger platform overall. My pc spends only about 10% of its time on actually in games.

The biggest strength of console gaming is local multi-player which was enough reason for me to own them that and I have children consoles are perfect for children. Consoles actually require you to own a PC or other online device to make the most out of them (media streaming, setting up your router/internet, hell even setting up your online accounts and managing subscription can't be done from the consoles themselves)

They have their strengths and a reason for existing I didn't ever argue they didn't and pointed out multiple times that I own more then one of each and play on both console and PC you're not talking to a blind fanboy.