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AMD misses Q3 expectations, revenue still grows 40% compared to last year

D13H4RD
By D13H4RD
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3 hours ago, S w a t s o n said:

Can't believe being 50 million under your forcasted 1.7 billion or 1 billion and 700 million market expectation is cause for concern or a news cycle. That's a margin of error of like 0.03%?

It is for their current stock price. They would have had to vastly overperform to justify a ~$30 stock price.

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31 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Really?

Shorting derivative swaps on the housing market and a tech company stock dipping because the whole market has is different 

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Just now, BuckGup said:

Shorting derivative swaps on the housing market and a tech company stock dipping because the whole market has is different 

Blockchain, fab production, competition, sales/marketing, consumer spending, fashion/direction of company, etc.

 

Housing was certain, because no one did shorting of derivative swaps in less than honest means, then they did.

 

Tech companies might be certain, until they are not.

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2 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Blockchain, fab production, competition, sales/marketing, consumer spending, fashion/direction of company, etc.

 

Housing was certain, because no one did shorting of derivative swaps in less than honest means, then they did.

 

Tech companies might be certain, until they are not.

There's less money to be made on some tech company than a get rich quick scheme they did 

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Investment bankers … a very special kind of douchebags. Because AMD missed predictions by just 3% after revenues grew by over 40% everyone panics and sells their shares. Guess what, even if AMD would hav made those $50 million, brokers and traders would still have sold their shares. They're buying shares of companies they probably have no clue of. Good for them. I fully expect these fellows to mess up hard again in the next couple of years throwing the world economy in yet another crisis.

 

But I digress. AMD has a competitive product that always was a bit cheaper and thanks to Intel's struggles with 10nm, not enough capactities for 14nm production and therefore skyrocketing prices, they will gain more and more market share. Oracle is now investing into EPYC for one of their datacenters and if that works well others will follow. If only their GPU branch would finally produce something competitive again. 

 

I have to admit though – I'm afraid AMD will mess up again in 2-3 years like they always did.

 

But if anyone wanted to invest into AMD: buy now and prepare to go short in Q2-Q3 next year (or as soon as Intel gets its **** together)

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15 hours ago, poochyena said:

I meant the stock price.

Historically speaking, the stock market will always recover, and trend farther than before the drop. Individual stocks? Maybe, maybe not. AMD's a fairly safe bet, with a very promising upcoming launch (Zen 2), so I wouldn't worry about your stocks.

2 hours ago, TechyBen said:

Really?

You seem to have a problem with stocks in general, perhaps because of a bad experience you had (or rather, avoided).

 

Stocks are a massively useful tool for wealth generation, savings, investment, and for retirement.

 

Historically speaking, even considering the major worldwide crashes (eg: 2008), the market has always recovered, better than before.

 

There are 2 keys:

1. Well diversified portfolio. Let's say you invest in AMD. Let's say they do go bankrupt. So what? Your portfolio dropped a few points, and overall it didn't hurt your investment, because you didn't put all your money into one company (or even one industry).

2. Not panicking and selling - this is what most amateurs do. Their investments tank, then they sell, then they try and re-buy when the share prices start to go back up. Historically speaking, these people are worse off then the ones who didn't sell, and simply held onto the stocks during the dip and recovery.

 

Day traders might try and time the market, and buy low and sell high and predict dips and recoveries. But even they aren't always right, and they spend every moment researching stock conditions and company performance, etc.

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FYI to everyone, they're not getting cratered because they missed by a tiny bit.  They're cratering because they significantly lowered their Q4 forecast and their current stock price would only be justified if they basically hit a home run every single quarter for the next 4 years.  In a nutshell, their stock price ran way too far ahead of their actual value.

 

If Intel does well this quarter (we'll know in 2 hours) then AMD is going to get sodomized on their stock price.  You can't hit home runs if your competitor that is already 10x bigger than you continues to outperform you.

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11 hours ago, ATFink said:

crypto bust impacted the stock close to 30% in 1 day seems crazy to me.

that is normal for a trade based on nothing, no tangable item. Gold is the same way, but it is highly regulated.

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2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Historically speaking, the stock market will always recover, and trend farther than before the drop. Individual stocks? Maybe, maybe not. AMD's a fairly safe bet, with a very promising upcoming launch (Zen 2), so I wouldn't worry about your stocks.

You seem to have a problem with stocks in general, perhaps because of a bad experience you had (or rather, avoided).

 

Stocks are a massively useful tool for wealth generation, savings, investment, and for retirement.

 

Historically speaking, even considering the major worldwide crashes (eg: 2008), the market has always recovered, better than before.

 

There are 2 keys:

1. Well diversified portfolio. Let's say you invest in AMD. Let's say they do go bankrupt. So what? Your portfolio dropped a few points, and overall it didn't hurt your investment, because you didn't put all your money into one company (or even one industry).

2. Not panicking and selling - this is what most amateurs do. Their investments tank, then they sell, then they try and re-buy when the share prices start to go back up. Historically speaking, these people are worse off then the ones who didn't sell, and simply held onto the stocks during the dip and recovery.

 

Day traders might try and time the market, and buy low and sell high and predict dips and recoveries. But even they aren't always right, and they spend every moment researching stock conditions and company performance, etc.

IIRC a "Share save ISA" (Tax free share savings option), in the UK did not even match, let alone beat inflation. So yeah... it stops the money totally vanishing in the long run. But "investment" is kinda... well, just a box to put things in. It may go up, it may go down. There is no "historically". Just if the security of boxes are historically secure (I will give you that, in the long run, it does not vanish in a spread market). But I'd not call it an investment (mathematically, so taking my personal opinion out). Like with gambling, I get pedantic on the math/logic. XD

 

[Edit] That was pre-crash recovery I guess. But that's the problem. We can in hindsight say things about the crash. But in reality, it can wipe out some people, and not others. Though I agree, there is getting dividends, selling an "investment" and then there is going in blind and just losing it all. :P

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IIRC a "Share save ISA" (Tax free share savings option), in the UK did not even match, let alone beat inflation. So yeah... it stops the money totally vanishing in the long run. But "investment" is kinda... well, just a box to put things in. It may go up, it may go down. There is no "historically". Just if the security of boxes are historically secure (I will give you that, in the long run, it does not vanish in a spread market). But I'd not call it an investment (mathematically, so taking my personal opinion out). Like with gambling, I get pedantic on the math/logic. XD

I have no idea what a "Share save ISA" is, so I cannot comment on that.

 

Is that a specific investment portfolio or something? Probably a UK only thing.

 

Because there are literally millions of combinations of investment portfolios that you can get. If you're not even beating inflation, that's a seriously shit investment. Get a different one.

 

A good investment will net you anywhere from 8-12%, or more, in the long run.

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Have edited the post. But that's the problem... "millions". Some go up. Some go down. You cannot predict which one you get (maths). You keep saying "a good investment" or "in the long run". It's a losers game sadly (there is 1 loser for every winner in a share trade). As with a casino (but not because it is gambling), the only one who wins is the "house" (banks/trading firms creaming off the top... Ok, I guess not. I'm going over the top there. There is arbitration, there is investment in a company. But we are talking about portfolios here? Or individual traders?

 

Let's just say it's like the weather. We can understand the short term. We can understand some local stuff. We can even get a great general prediction (hot summer/or cold spring)... but we still get it massively wrong sometimes.

 

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Ok, got it, the maths. You are right, on average, over 10 years, it's net positive, just above double inflation for return (annualized?).

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/8-lessons-from-80-years-of-market-history-2014-11-19

 

So that's 8-12% above inflation (though if you don't spread as much, and thus get a poor one, it could be -1 %). Sad thing is, I've never really known how people choose good systems over the poor/scam/obvious risky ones?

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6 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

literally millions

It the fee's that get you, even the sales people get commission wont tell you.

 

Dumb money pension investments got duped hard, always get duped hard. Dumb money.

 

I do not know if TD Bank still uses their sketchy mortgage platform, just to rip you off with fee's.

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4 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Have edited the post. But that's the problem... "millions". Some go up. Some go down. You cannot predict which one you get (maths). You keep saying "a good investment" or "in the long run". It's a losers game sadly (there is 1 loser for every winner in a share trade). As with a casino (but not because it is gambling), the only one who wins is the "house" (banks/trading firms creaming off the top... Ok, I guess not. I'm going over the top there. There is arbitration, there is investment in a company. But we are talking about portfolios here? Or individual traders?

Actually you can predict which ones - by looking at historical trends of that exact portfolio. Is it 100%? No, of course not. But, for example, getting a Portfolio that matches the S&P500, is a very secure bet. The S&P500 has historically always recovered higher than the dip, whenever there's a recession or market dip.

4 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

Let's just say it's like the weather. We can understand the short term. We can understand some local stuff. We can even get a great general prediction (hot summer/or cold spring)... but we still get it massively wrong sometimes.

Honestly, you're making it seem like most investments are these huge risky things. They aren't.

 

Most people that actually bother to invest in a well diversified portfolio end up doing fine.

4 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

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Ok, got it, the maths. You are right, on average, over 10 years, it's net positive, just above double inflation for return (annualized?).

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/8-lessons-from-80-years-of-market-history-2014-11-19

 

So that's 4-10% above inflation. Sad thing is, I've never really known how people choose good systems over the poor/scam/obvious risky ones?

4-10% above inflation is excellent. Over 30 years, that's a hell of a return.

 

How to decide? Well the first thing is not investing in a sketchy company you've never heard of. Make sure they're insured by whatever government insurance program exists for investments. Check their history. And then choose the level of risk you're comfortable with.

 

Honestly the biggest problem with investing - especially retirement, is that most people simply don't. Even $25 a month over 30 years will turn into a shitload of money.

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As said. I'm a logical maths person. Inflation means historically, if the world does not end, it will always be greater later on."The S&P500 has historically always recovered higher than the dip, whenever there's a recession or market dip." This is a fact yes. Does not mean it will recover higher during my investment?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying the arguments and information presented to me, does not show or prove what people say is does. It's other data that may. (As said, if someone says "it might be you" on a winning lottery ticket, I will instead say "no, I'll get a percentage of my investment of the $/£1 in return... which is nothing XD ).

 

As with gambling, it's a fact that I might win. But mathematically, I know the odds. I don't know who will win. With the investment, I know the trend. I don't know if my investment will go up or down during my investment.

 

If it was a sure thing, then why do I hear about failure of so many systems (pensions, companies, etc)? Yeah, banks are still here, shares are still here, but individually, some people have lost. I cannot guarantee I'm in the group that does not lose. So I can say "I can try to invest" and "it's generally a return", but I can't say "it's always a general return", can I?

 

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How to decide? Well the first thing is not investing in a sketchy company you've never heard of. Make sure they're insured by whatever government insurance program exists for investments. Check their history. And then choose the level of risk you're comfortable with.

As said. I worked for one of the biggest banks (I may have just been sweeping floors for all I know relatively, but I got to watch it unfold). Their shares tanked. The bank that was mom and pop safe closed down. The secure housing market shares were fake and wrote off a lot of investment.

 

I agree with the retirement example. But like with the savings for retirement. That's great. It's still savings though that is where people are putting the trust. Savings with a hope for investment returns. Less "investment" as the total benefit.

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2 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

As said. I'm a logical maths person. Inflation means historically, if the world does not end, it will always be greater later on."The S&P500 has historically always recovered higher than the dip, whenever there's a recession or market dip." This is a fact yes. Does not mean it will recover higher during my investment?

 

I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying the arguments and information presented to me, does not show or prove what people say is does. It's other data that may. (As said, if someone says "it might be you" on a winning lottery ticket, I will instead say "no, I'll get a percentage of my investment of the $/£1 in return... which is nothing XD ).

  

As with gambling, it's a fact that I might win. But mathematically, I know the odds. I don't know who will win. With the investment, I know the trend. I don't know if my investment will go up or down during my investment.

 

If it was a sure thing, then why do I hear about failure of so many systems (pensions, companies, etc)? Yeah, banks are still here, shares are still here, but individually, some people have lost. I cannot guarantee I'm in the group that does not lose. So I can say "I can try to invest" and "it's generally a return", but I can't say "it's always a general return", can I?

Pensions, etc, typically fail because of under funding (not enough money is paid in to cover costs when people start to retire and draw on the money). Or not properly diversifying their portfolio (eg: investing the entire pension fund into one single company).

 

Companies basically never fail due to investment portfolios. Companies fail for any number of reasons - usually not being profitable enough.

 

Some people have lost, sure, but you should still invest. Because if you just keep your money as cash, you know you're going to lose, as inflation will mean in 30 years, your money will have significantly less buying power.

 

And the only time reverse inflation happens, is the "country falling apart and collapsing" kind of situation, so don't count on reverse inflation, since if it happens, your money is worthless anyway because your local economy just collapsed.

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Wait... if a pension cannot properly diversify... how are you saying general people can? I'm confused here [hint, I'm not confused... but let's play along :) ].

 

[I'm not planning on keeping it as cash. I'm just not saying it's a guarantee I'll get a return]

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1 minute ago, TechyBen said:

Wait... if a pension cannot properly diversify... how are you saying general people can? I'm confused here [hint, I'm not confused... but let's play along :) ].

Some companies, like people, are stupid. There are rules to smart investing. You don't have to follow the rules.

 

If a person invests everything into one stock, that's goddamn stupid, and they increase their risk of literally losing everything massively.

 

But if you're buying investments from a bank, for example, banks don't typically sell individual stocks (Please remember, that Brokerage accounts are different beasts entirely).

 

A bank might have 20 or 30 different portfolios to choose from, and each of those will contain dozens (or hundreds) of different individual investments - many of which aren't even stocks (mutual funds, real estate, etc). In fact, a well diversified portfolio doesn't typically have more than 50% of it as stocks.

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I do also tend to feel bad that if I get a return... it's partially me gaining off all the idiots doing stupid stuff. But that's a different discussion.

 

As said. I'm not against the principles. Just that as with the lottery, people don't understand math/probabilities/risk etc. Their inability to understand, does not give me leaway on the language I use to pretend "you might win" is the right thing to tell them. "You get less out than you put in" for the lottery would be honest IMO. For investments "you may get a return" or "you will get a return 90% of the time" are more honest to me. :)

 

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It's good to see AMD doing well, despite disappointing GPU launches. If Polaris refreshes are fairly prices and Navi launches well they should set themselves up to do really well in the future. They're CPU development is doing very well, once they move to 7nm, things will get very exciting.

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15 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

I do also tend to feel bad that if I get a return... it's partially me gaining off all the idiots doing stupid stuff. But that's a different discussion.

Stock investments aren't zero sum games. You don't earn more because other people made stupid investments (At least, not unless we're talking about Short Selling, which some people think should be illegal anyway).

15 minutes ago, TechyBen said:

As said. I'm not against the principles. Just that as with the lottery, people don't understand math/probabilities/risk etc. Their inability to understand, does not give me leaway on the language I use to pretend "you might win" is the right thing to tell them. "You get less out than you put in" for the lottery would be honest IMO. For investments "you may get a return" or "you will get a return 90% of the time" are more honest to me. :)

With investments, it's important to understand the level of risk involved with the specific investment you're looking at. Using historical trends is a very useful metric here.

 

Anyone dealing with investments should speak to a financial expert first, unless they want to do their own research. This is something that IMO, along with taxes (and how to file your tax return) should be part of the primary education system (K-12).

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5 hours ago, poochyena said:

It is for their current stock price. They would have had to vastly overperform to justify a ~$30 stock price.

Yea that's the market shitting itself and being dumb, AMD didnt signal they were expecting to overperform. My point stands, the market is retarded and flips out either way on the slightest whim

7 hours ago, exetras said:

There was a massive market sell off yesterday. All Stock Market gains in 2018 were erased yesterday.

 

It was a bad day to announce any kind of bad news.

The stock market needs a big overhaul. The fact that a bunch of people decided to sell (in general over the whole stock market) shouldn't impact a company that was effectively right on the mark. It's literally just gambling and hoping that the company you bet on is bet on by other people. Other people pull out their bets and suddenly you're fucked even if the company is doing fine

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5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I feel like topics like these are pointless other than just throwing numbers out there because "hurdur lookit this company doing shitty!" or whatnot.

Listen to me pontificate the meaning of stock price value whilst I pander to my ideals regarding the nature of the value of a company I may or may not like depending on the quality of their products for a use that is only relevant to another person, (big breath), Then I will routinely come back to another assumption about my knowledge in complex market analytics to justify my earlier comments condemning the current value of the market as dictated by the market itself and not by the opinions of individuals who think they know better and shit I forgot to take a breath and now I'm dizzy and my fingers are numb fff....

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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7 hours ago, mr moose said:

Listen to me pontificate the meaning of stock price value whilst I pander to my ideals regarding the nature of the value of a company I may or may not like depending on the quality of their products for a use that is only relevant to another person, (big breath), Then I will routinely come back to another assumption about my knowledge in complex market analytics to justify my earlier comments condemning the current value of the market as dictated by the market itself and not by the opinions of individuals who think they know better and shit I forgot to take a breath and now I'm dizzy and my fingers are numb fff....

Wow, you worked at the same place I did?

 

(Nah, their arguments were "shares are an investment, it may go up or down, but look, we *could* give a return of a max 12%!!!!" ? )

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