At Least We're Not Alone: NSA Spies on Members of Congress, Too

[Fetzie]

I wonder if all these people bitching would like to get on a plane and go live in say North Korea? I am sure you won't get fed to the dogs AT ALL. How about Russia? I mean, if it isn't for the Anti-Gay government and SORM, and the damn cold, and the oppressive regime, I am sure it would be a lovely place to live. How about Britain... do you mind the CCTVs among other things?

At least the CCTV isn't pointed into my bedroom.

[afa7336]

At least the CCTV isn't pointed into my bedroom.

 

Neither is the NSA... They aren't in your bedroom, nor are they in your home.

[fojacko]

Everybody is talking about it, but nothing is happening. I don't see people on the streets about it.

Maybe someone should start a facebook group, that'll surely stop the nsa...

 

/s

[Tocsin_786]

Maybe someone should start a facebook group, that'll surely stop the nsa...

 

/s

there was a rally in DC when this shit started around October. but it never took off from there 

[Mooshi]

Pelosi is a cunt, I'm ok with her being spied on.

[IDprofile]

Here is the mistake, you're expecting perfection. We know based on leaks and released data that it did work quite a lot of times throughout the World. Now, do you expect your car to work one hundred percent of the time for thirty years or over time will it break down? Of course, something is going to happen to a part. But we don't pull cars off the road because of it. We only do that, if there is a safety defect. How about your computer? Sometimes shit happens, anyone that says it must work one hundred percent of the time doesn't really understand the World in my book.  

Any protection that takes away our freedom is extremely dangerous. Our government is trying to take away our freedom and control us. People need to understand that the citizens are suppose to control the government. Our founding fathers when speaking of gun control said that one of the sole purposes of citizens owning weapons is to defend ourselves from the government trying to take away our freedom.

 

Neither is the NSA... They aren't in your bedroom, nor are they in your home.

Uhm yes they are! Computers, phones, tvs, etc. they are all in our homes.

[Tocsin_786]

Any protection that takes away our freedom is extremely dangerous. Our government is trying to take away our freedom and control us. People need to understand that the citizens are suppose to control the government. Our founding fathers when speaking of gun control said that one of the sole purposes of citizens owning weapons is to defend ourselves from the government trying to take away our freedom.

 

Uhm yes they are! Computers, phones, tvs, etc. they are all in our homes.

Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[IDprofile]

Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

That is an amazing quote

[winny3141]

Why the heck would the NSA bite the hand that feeds them? The Congressman's job is to put word into law, and yet the very power that could keep them afloat the NSA is going to alienate as well? Who is the NSA fighting for?

[Tocsin_786]

Why the heck would the NSA bite the hand that feeds them? The Congressman's job is to put word into law, and yet the very power that could keep them afloat the NSA is going to alienate as well? Who is the NSA fighting for?

unless the congressmen are complete ape shit. i see a future where the NSA doesn't exist

[WittItDew]

I feel like every person who actually works for the government should be monitored to make sure they're following laws and aren't corrupt, along with other parameters to make sure they're doing whatever their job entails truthfully and honestly. I guess that's too obvious though

[MatheusSanzo]

Hmmm, knowing this doesn't makes me fell any better.

[afa7336]

Any protection that takes away our freedom is extremely dangerous. Our government is trying to take away our freedom and control us. People need to understand that the citizens are suppose to control the government. Our founding fathers when speaking of gun control said that one of the sole purposes of citizens owning weapons is to defend ourselves from the government trying to take away our freedom.

 

They aren't taking away any freedom by gathering information that you give to a third party. The law of the land makes this an exception to the 4th Amendment as laid out in Smith v Maryland (SCOTUS 1979). You still have the freedom to browse the internet freely, you still have the freedom to make calls freely, you still have the right to buy weapons freely (as long as they meet the standards of the law). And before you go on about weapon types, do know that you can under strict guidelines buy Automatic Weapons. They aren't totally illegal like some people like to think. (Not saying you).

 

Edit: I'll even be nice and give you a real world example. You take your car to a repair shop and lets say you hit a cop car and drove off. Do you know, since you turned your car over to the repair shop... bum bum bum, the cops don't need YOUR permission to search it. Why you ask, because you gave it to a third party. It would be the repair shop that gives the permission, and in some cases they don't have to give permission at all.

 

 

Uhm yes they are! Computers, phones, tvs, etc. they are all in our homes.

 

They are NOT in our homes. I wish people would understand what they are talking about, before commenting like this. This is one of the many problems you get when someone who doesn't understand what he/she is releasing, releases classified files. You gave this information to a third party and that is how they are obtaining it. As I pointed out above, this is based on the 1979 ruling in Smith v Maryland. Show me the data you have that they are in our homes. Please remember in our homes means they are actively hacking into our TVs, Phones, Computers, Etc. as you are claiming.

[afa7336]

I feel like every person who actually works for the government should be monitored to make sure they're following laws and aren't corrupt, along with other parameters to make sure they're doing whatever their job entails truthfully and honestly. I guess that's too obvious though

 

If only, then Snowden would have been taken care of long before he could have released the data. That, I think, would have been the best thing in the world. I am serious.

 

 

Ben Franklin once said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

 

And do you know the context of the quote and how it was used? I think you actually don't know what it is pertaining to, nor the issues surrounding why he said it.

[IDprofile]

They aren't taking away any freedom by gathering information that you give to a third party. The law of the land makes this an exception to the 4th Amendment as laid out in Smith v Maryland (SCOTUS 1979). You still have the freedom to browse the internet freely, you still have the freedom to make calls freely, you still have the right to buy weapons freely (as long as they meet the standards of the law). And before you go on about weapon types, do know that you can under strict guidelines buy Automatic Weapons. They aren't totally illegal like some people like to think. (Not saying you).

 

Edit: I'll even be nice and give you a real world example. You take your car to a repair shop and lets say you hit a cop car and drove off. Do you know, since you turned your car over to the repair shop... bum bum bum, the cops don't need YOUR permission to search it. Why you ask, because you gave it to a third party. It would be the repair shop that gives the permission, and in some cases they don't have to give permission at all.

 

 

 

They are NOT in our homes. I wish people would understand what they are talking about, before commenting like this. This is one of the many problems you get when someone who doesn't understand what he/she is releasing, releases classified files. You gave this information to a third party and that is how they are obtaining it. As I pointed out above, this is based on the 1979 ruling in Smith v Maryland. Show me the data you have that they are in our homes. Please remember in our homes means they are actively hacking into our TVs, Phones, Computers, Etc. as you are claiming.

Are you serious? Have you not been reading anything about the NSA's doings? They have been hacking companies without their permission in order to obtain information. They have been intercepting electronics and installing backdoors. They have been using spyware to watch everything we do. Have you been living under a rock? I don't give a flying crap what laws make it legal for the NSA to be doing this. It's an invasion on our privacy and it's a power that they will abuse excessively. For example: Do you think it would be fair if during an election the NSA was feeding information to one of the candidates in order to help make sure he wins? Example2: You look up on the internet about making bombs for educational purposes, then while you are sleeping your house is invaded and you get put under military arrest and not given a lawyer. And there are so many more ways that our government can take away our freedom and control us just by gathering intel.

[afa7336]

Are you serious? Have you not been reading anything about the NSA's doings? They have been hacking companies without their permission in order to obtain information. They have been intercepting electronics and installing backdoors. They have been using spyware to watch everything we do. Have you been living under a rock? I don't give a flying crap what laws make it legal for the NSA to be doing this. It's an invasion on our privacy and it's a power that they will abuse excessively. For example: Do you think it would be fair if during an election the NSA was feeding information to one of the candidates in order to help make sure he wins? Example2: You look up on the internet about making bombs for educational purposes, then while you are sleeping your house is invaded and you get put under military arrest and not given a lawyer. And there are so many more ways that our government can take away our freedom and control us just by gathering intel.

 

Seriously, this is exactly why giving out information is horrible without context. This is why Snowden was an idiot. Yes the NSA was talking about intercepting computers. These were on VALID targets as the article I read stated and not on the masses NOR was there anything to suggest that it was done on the masses. Jesus, did you even read the article or just the headline? They are talking technique more then anything else! Spyware, same thing. Same thing with the iPhone and Android. And before you get all up in arms, this is valid, considering it is a tool in the intelligence gathering playbook. Or would you rather put Americans lives and the lives of people we recruit at risk to gather the same intelligence? Please READ the articles instead of just skimming it, it'll contain the information that you need to understand things.

 

Okay lets go with examples since you like them. Oh wait, I actually don't since this program of gathering data actually HAS stopped 20+ attacks worldwide. Huh, funny that. But we can do something interesting though with theories. Example: Man communicates through internet that he is going to steal the warhead off a B61 Mod 11 in which the yield can be set up to 340 kiloton yield. He is stealing the warhead to sell to Al Qaeda, so they can set the device off in a major US City. Its a bunker buster Nuclear weapon, so there is no confusion on what I am talking about. The NSA data picks this up, and instead of selling the device so it can be used on soft targets, the guy is intercepted and arrested and the device is totally safe now. Would you rather the guy sell the device, and destroy an American city or two and lots around it, along with the other effects. Lets put into prospective what 340 kilotons would be like. The bombs dropped in Japan were only 21 and 15 kiloton yields. So lets take the higher one, which was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan (21 kiloton yield). The potential blast would be 16.19 times greater then that.