Twitter has finally banned Alex Jones & Infowars

[Drak3]

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You can only censor the truth

False.

8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

to say his message is being censored is basically agreeing with it.

Extremely false.

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I don't like anybody who can stand there and say a school shooting in which 26 people died was a hoax

I don't like anybody that makes a claim of that scale and doesn't back it up with evidence that can be traced back. However, there was a shit ton of anti gun propaganda created out of Sandy Hooks.

2 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

It's a rules for thee and not for me scenario.

If Jones truly and genuinely harassed someone, fine, go ahead and ban him, but Twitter better hold anyone else's feet to the fire like that rather than picking and choosing.

You and I both know that they won't and don't.

 

1 minute ago, AlwaysFSX said:

People seem to have forgotten that ideas should be shared, good or bad, so we don't become sheltered to opinions we do or do not want to hear. Apparently now everyone wants to be coddled as to what they have to filter, and have some other body do the filtering for them.

Get out of here you radical thinker!

[Ithanul]

11 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

I don't get it. Why dont conservatives ask their billionaire donors to start their own social media?

There is one, but just don't go there, you will want to tear your eyes out. 

[ivan134]

1 minute ago, aezakmi said:

come on, they banned him because he's associated with Breitbart and also because twitter is modded by a bunch of unique snowflakes that believe in social justice

Judging by this thread, it's pretty clear who the actual snowflakes are 

[ivan134]

Just now, Ithanul said:

There is one, but just don't go there, you will want to tear your eyes out. 

I remember hearing about one last year, but I don't remember the name or if it's still around.

[PlayStation 2]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

I don't like anybody that makes a claim of that scale and doesn't back it up with evidence that can be traced back. However, there was a shit ton of anti gun propaganda created out of Sandy Hooks.

And that's my thing, the way he went about the shooting was prime to be misinterpreted.

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

False.

Extremely false.

I don't like anybody that makes a claim of that scale and doesn't back it up with evidence that can be traced back. However, there was a shit ton of anti gun propaganda created out of Sandy Hooks.

You and I both know that they won't and don't.

 

Get out of here you radical thinker!

I'm genuinely curious how you think it's possible to censor a lie. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this one, surprise me.

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Get out of here you radical thinker!

I know, it's crazy to tell people to think for themselves and not insult others.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm genuinely curious how you think it's possible to censor a lie. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this one, surprise me.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/censorship

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

 

Censorship does not care about truth or lie, opinion or fact, or medium used for expression of thought. To ban any idea is censorship.

[Ithanul]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

I remember hearing about one last year, but I don't remember the name or if it's still around.

O, it is still around.  Gab is what it is called.

[ivan134]

Just now, Ithanul said:

O, it is still around.  Gab is what it is called.

I just looked that up, and nah, it wasn't this one. Thanks for putting me onto this one though. I need some good laughs so I'll check it out.

[Master Disaster]

Just now, Drak3 said:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/censorship

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

 

Censorship does not care about truth or lie, opinion or fact, or medium used for expression of thought. To ban any idea is censorship.

Agreed however, ignoring fiction, censorship infers that the thing being supressed has an element of truth to it.

 

You wouldn't say Holocaust deniers are being censored for example.

[mynameisjuan]

5 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm genuinely curious how you think it's possible to censor a lie. I'm willing to be proven wrong on this one, surprise me.

Censorship is just putting tape over someones mouth. Doesn't matter if its true or false. 

 

Even if it was false, there are still people deciding what to censor and what THEY think is true or false. 

[Drak3]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

censorship infers that the thing being supressed has an element of truth to it.

No, it doesn't.

 

Just now, Master Disaster said:

You wouldn't say Holocaust deniers are being censored for example

Actually, most rational people would once they've actually considered what censorship is.

[Ithanul]

1 minute ago, ivan134 said:

I just looked that up, and nah, it wasn't this one. Thanks for putting me onto this one though. I need some good laughs so I'll check it out.

Yeah, there are others.  I usually don't go out my way to look at those sites.

But damn when I seen some of the stuff posted from there, I'm like, what the hell are these folks on.

[2FA]

3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

I just looked that up, and nah, it wasn't this one. Thanks for putting me onto this one though. I need some good laughs so I'll check it out.

Voat

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

But, that's still not why he's banned.  He's banned for breaking the law by several companies who don't want to be associated with him because he's a criminal.

That's not the current chain of thought between me and Master.

[ivan134]

Just now, 2FA said:

Voat

Oooh, thanks, but that wasn't it either. It was a really fancy website.

[Master Disaster]

5 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

No, it doesn't.

 

Actually, most rational people would once they've actually considered what censorship is.

Well then I guess I'm either irrational or wrong. I suppose the fact I'm able to draw that conclusion points to the latter being true.

 

You did indeed surprise me

[ivan134]

@Ithanul @2FA god damn, this is some deranged shit 

[handymanshandle]

I do not like your wording of that title.

[Ithanul]

2 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

@Ithanul @2FA god damn, this is some deranged shit 

Warned ya.

Though, I recall there was one chap that was so bad that even that person got banned from gab.  Can't remember the name, but god....the posts where super bad.

[mynameisjuan]

3 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Well then I guess I'm either irrational or wrong. I suppose the fact I'm able to draw that conclusion points to the latter being true.

So if you are wrong then banning you from this thread is the right thing to do? I mean you said it yourself you cannot censor false info and a majority are on the opposite side on your opinion. 

 

Get where we are coming from? Doesn't matter the sides...censorship is censorship

[Arika]

5 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

But, that's still not why he's banned.  He's banned for breaking the law by several companies who don't want to be associated with him because he's a criminal.

so everyone with an active lawsuit should be banned off all social media forever?

 

as for harassment, i could link you multiple screenshots of a certain group of people harassing an entire race, but because this race is the majority, social media companies don't care because if they ban this certain group of people they will be called racist

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, Arika S said:

so everyone with an active lawsuit should be banned off all social media forever?

 

as for harassment, i could link you multiple screenshots of a certain group of people harassing an entire race, but because this race is the majority, social media companies don't care because if they ban this certain group of people they will be called racist

Cannot be closer to the truth. 

[Trik'Stari]

34 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Why are you people against private companies deciding who they want to do business with?

Maybe because it gives them more power over the entire population than any group of people has ever held before in human history.

 

If you want an example, see the social media enabled eugenics program currently ongoing in China. Post something that the proverbial "they" don't like? Your social media score, which is tied to your actual identity, goes down. And as a result, your children might not go to the best schools, you might not get that job you want, you might not be allowed to use public transportation ever again. They are quite literally having a negative impact on peoples lives, based on those people thoughts and opinions as expressed online.

 

Social media is currently building towards a power over the population that is entirely intolerable in any allegedly "free" society. How many people get their news mainly from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc?

 

But more than that, they provide a medium with which the general population can converse with itself. That, in my book, constitutes a public space, and as such, free speech should apply at the least to the same extent that it would in public. Not to mention each of them being a near monopoly in the space they each occupy within the "social media industry".

 

Also they aren't private companies. AFAIK Twitter and Facebook are publicly traded. If a billionaire wanted to buy a majority of the shares and thus have the majority ownership, and change all of this, they could.

 

 

Social media is quickly becoming the discourse equivalent to the nuclear bomb.