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I REALLY don't like Apple.

I really don't like Apple... here's why:

 

  1. Under-powered machines for more money... (great job for scamming me, Apple)
  2. Their machines never improve, always the same thing over and over.
  3. Trash can computer filled with trash components. (Talking to you, 2013 Mac Pro)

 

What do you not like about Apple?

 

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I'm currently exporting a 3 hour video at 19min/ real min. 

 

Meaning every minute that passes I'm exporting 19min of video footage.  (this math was way off, idk how I got that number)

 

Mind you this is on a dual core MacBook Pro.

 

So I'm really not seeing the "under powered" argument. 

 

All while keeping a boost clock and staying under 80C with a single fan. 

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For some reason I'm reminded of the thermal throttling i9 Macs that are apparently doing worst than last gen's i7.

 

Though to be fair any computer would overheat stuffing hot components with poor cooling into a cramped space.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I'm currently exporting a 3 hour video at 19min/ real min. 

 

Meaning every minute that passes I'm exporting 19min of video footage. 

 

Mind you this is on a dual core Mac.

 

So I'm really not seeing the "under powered" argument. 

I think the OP means if you spent the same money on Windows based PC, you'd be able export faster than 19/1.

 

The machines do improve, just not very often.

 

I don't like their MDM. It's God awful and there are plenty of better alternatives by other companies.

Stop and think a second, something is more than nothing.

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I don't hate Apple though I find many of their decisions questionable, and some even downright unacceptable (Core i9 MBP throttling, anyone?)

 

But they do make something that I like every now and then.

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4 minutes ago, chiller15 said:

I think the OP means if you spent the same money on Windows based PC, you'd be able export faster than 19/1.

 

The machines do improve, just not very often.

 

I don't like their MDM. It's God awful and there are plenty of better alternatives by other companies.

I'd love to see the specs of that machine. 

Mind you a machine like the 12" MacBook edit 4K better than many "editing rigs"

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1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

I'd love to see the specs of that machine. 

Mind you a machine like the 12" MacBook edit 4K better than many editing rigs

That's probably due to Final Cut.

 

For instance, to export a 10 minute 1080p60 video on PP, my 7700HQ/1060 laptop requires 20 minutes. A dual-core MBP with FCPX would take about half the time at least.

 

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3 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

That's probably due to Final Cut.

 

For instance, to export a 10 minute 1080p60 video on PP, my 7700HQ/1060 laptop requires 20 minutes. A dual-core MBP with FCPX would take about half the time at least.

 

Well I'm exporting a ~900p video at this speed. So some napkin math would suggest I would be done in about a minute and a half? Assuming the load was enough to even convince my machine to even want to turbo xD 

 

The file would most likely already be ready for export when you are done editing thanks to background rendering. 

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Never "hate" a company. Disslike them amd complain on the things they do wrong. But hating will only come back to bite you in the ass

 

 

Apple may not provide the best raw power out there, but they do in many instanced have the best software optimizations, i am looking at you Final Cut Pro

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3 minutes ago, WikiForce said:

They are considered overpriced in US and here the price of IPhone is 1.5x compared to US still stupid fanboys buy their products with no hesitation, it's astounding.

Over here, people get the iPhones off a carrier on a 2 year contract, which not only drops the price of the phone to much more palatable levels but also splits payments over a 2 year period.

 

It's the latter that makes buying an expensive phone less of a burden on initial purchase.

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26 minutes ago, thatcubedperson said:

I really don't like Apple... here's why:

 

  1. Under-powered machines for more money... (great job for scamming me, Apple)
  2. Their machines never improve, always the same thing over and over.
  3. Trash can computer filled with trash components. (Talking to you, 2013 Mac Pro)

 

What do you not like about Apple?

 

heck yeah did you hear about the new 6-core macbook that cant even maintain it's base clock of 2ghz xdddd

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3 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Over here, people get the iPhones off a carrier on a 2 year contract, which not only drops the price of the phone to much more palatable levels but also splits payments over a 2 year period.

 

It's the latter that makes buying an expensive phone less of a burden on initial purchase.

It really does help. It didn’t matter if the iPhone X was $1,000 when it only costs $41/m to own it. 

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5 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

heck yeah did you hear about the new 6-core macbook that cant even maintain it's base clock of 2ghz xdddd

*2.9GHz

 

And the Core i7 models didn't fare that much better either. They performed better than the heavily throttled i9s and the previous-generation MBPs but only by an average of 13% versus the 7700HQ or less if you compare it to the higher-end 7820HQ model.

 

The MBP chassis and cooling system wasn't designed to handle Coffee Lake's increased thermal demands. IMO, I think Apple should've made sure these machines were performing up to snuff before releasing it because from the Butterfly Keyboard controversy to the i9 throttling severely under heavy loads to be slower than a 7820HQ and 7700HQ, I think this generation of MacBook Pro is becoming a bit of a dud.

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4 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

*2.9GHz

 

And the Core i7 models didn't fare that much better either. They performed better than the heavily throttled i9s and the previous-generation MBPs but only by an average of 13% or less if you compare it to the higher-end 7820HQ model.

 

The MBP chassis and cooling system wasn't designed to handle Coffee Lake's increased thermal demands. IMO, I think Apple should've made sure these machines were performing up to snuff before releasing it because from the Butterfly Keyboard controversy to the i9 throttling severely under heavy loads to be slower than a 7820HQ and 7700HQ, I think this generation of MacBook Pro is becoming a bit of a dud.

form over function amirite?

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1 minute ago, ki8aras said:

form over function amirite?

Sadly true. Their obsession with thinness really needs to stop because it's hurting these machines much more than helping them.

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36 minutes ago, thatcubedperson said:

I really don't like Apple... here's why:

 

  1. Under-powered machines for more money... (great job for scamming me, Apple)
  2. Their machines never improve, always the same thing over and over.
  3. Trash can computer filled with trash components. (Talking to you, 2013 Mac Pro)

 

What do you not like about Apple?

 

I never bought an apple product and if it keeps this way never will but your 3 statements are wrong.

1. Its a fact that if you buy a mac vs a normal pc with the SAME(almost)  parts its the same money or almost cheaper, (that's not the reason that macs are expensive the reason is they put expensive things that doesnt needed to do the job)
2.All machines improve and last years apple has the trend on laptops and phones (notch , touchbars amd+vega cpu's....)
3.Did you know that all the brands tend to buy from same chinese factory's , the difference is the yields on the parts that they buy (example : apple can buy something at 0,1% failure yield and msi could buy same component but at 1% yield)

I hate apple for reasons as bad design, form before funcionalty, repair service and nowadays an apple product seems to be aimed as a fashion product not a high quality product (see louis rossman if you think apple are high quality)

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1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Sadly true. Their obsession with thinness really needs to stop because it's hurting these machines much more than helping them.

yeah....this is even true with their imacs because snazzy labs concluded that they are putting a lower clocked xeon that the equivalent retail chips,about 300mhz downclocked

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3 minutes ago, ki8aras said:

form over function amirite?

 

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Sadly true. Their obsession with thinness really needs to stop because it's hurting these machines much more than helping them.

Like their mouse that has a charging port on the bottom so you can't use it while it's charging...

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1 minute ago, Limecat86 said:

 

Like their mouse that has a charging port on the bottom so you can't use it while it's charging...

what about the pen that you have to stick on the bottom of the ipad in order to charge it?
 

 

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I still like Apple, because their software is still top notch. I have an astounding hatred for Windows 10 and since Linux doesn't support the software I need and macOS does, I'm inclined to lean more towards Apple's products. I don't have anything remotely current gen, though. I have a Mac Mini 2012 and a MBPr late 2013 and both are excellent machines. I also have an AppleTV, iPad, iPhone and apple watch so yeah... when you're in the ecosystem it's just such a nice place to be. 

 

I'm not denying the problems with the MacBooks, I'm just not part of the demographic that can justify the price so I'm not even remotely affected.

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6 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

I still like Apple, because their software is still top notch.

That's why I still have a soft spot for macOS.

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Apple have some crappy business' practices, sure. But there's no doubt that if you're in a creative field, you probably want a Mac. For a lot of students their products are light, have solid battery life, are reliable and simple. For someone like me, I would need to program and use more intensive software so it wouldn't work for me. Keep in mind as well, their software has solid optimization so the hardware doesn't need to be as powerful (although it obviously could be more powerful), same as iOS vs Android discussion. iOS is a lighter, less intensive OS than Android and it's variants.

 

I'm no Apple fanboy but I don't really 'hate them' anymore...Their products are overpriced IMO but for a lot of people, Apple is the right choice. I switched from Android to iOS because I find iPhones last longer, but in that same breath, I'm not planning on leaving Windows anytime soon.

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One of those posts again...

Seriously I've never understood how people can hate something like a company that makes computers with so much passion.

like what do you do for fun? 

All those who spent their time like that have a serious problem imo.

Which is also why you can't watch Louis Rossman videos anymore these days

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I think it's a bit of a stereotype for PC guys to 'hate Apple', especially because the industry tries to push 'Apple vs PC' all the time.

 

But I think you can't argue that for certain use cases Macs are a no-brainer, even Luke on the recent WAN Show said it was weird when that DJ had a big clunky MSI gaming laptop over a Mac.

 

So I try to be flexible, if a task requires me to use a Mac, I'll use a Mac, I prefer Windows generally and I prefer iOS over Android at the moment but Pixel is an interesting proposition so I could switch down the track.

 

I use a Windows machine, an Apple mobile device and tablet and Google Services for all these devices. Rather than hate one side or the other, I'd prefer to utilize the strengths of all platforms. You can hate Apple and their practices but I don't hate their products.

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50 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

But they do make something that I like every now and then.

I think the iPhone is the only Apple hardware that is worth buying (security, timely updates, telemetry off button, ecosystem, media consumption, developer support, refined privacy controls, etc)

There is more that meets the eye
I see the soul that is inside

 

 

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