Apple has iOS 12 and macOS on track to be all about substance

[themctipers]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, Johnny Ive doesn’t care ?

and im on glorious iOS 10.3.3, with cydia coming

very

 

'soon'..

[Trixanity]

8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The SE is a baller of a phone in the 4" market. Literally nothing at that size is a good as the SE. 

Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is probably the better buy in the small phone department. It's probably one of the few things Sony actually manages to do somewhat right.

8 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

You mean the S8 Plus+? 

Trolololo. The S9 is a bigger upgrade over S8 than iPhone 8 was over iPhone 7. So a bit of a pointless jab, isn't it?

[AlTech]

12 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

as long as my 5s gets an updated all be happy if it doesn't that means for graduation next year I'll get a new phone. (or maybe my B-day or Xmass)

I'm gonna say it right now.

 

iPhone 5S, iPad Mini 2 & 3 and iPad Air are all not getting IOS 12.

[Kobathor]

9 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

There are a ton of rumors regarding an SE 2, and people do still want a cheaper/smaller iPhone (the SE sold very well iirc).

Maybe it depends where you live? In the Dallas Metroplex area I've never seen a single SE in the wild (not exaggeration), but I've seen tons of iPhone Xs and iPhone 8s (though it's been two years since the release of the SE). I've stopped seeing iPhone 5s too, only 5S phones for smaller ones.

[AlTech]

12 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Us Apple users have had a bit of a rough time with iOS 11 (at least up until iOS 11.1) but it seems Apple has decided that it’s time to bring back the “it just works” mentality and has decided to ensure that what iOS does, it does right. 

 

I know I would much rather have iOS 12 be focused on better battery performance, increases stability, and bug fixes rather then adding lofty features and giving iOS a facelift/redesign. 

 

Can’t wait to see what else Apple does with iOS 12 outside of the better overall stability of the OS

 

Oh, and it’s still better than android ? 

(its a joke, don’t take it too seriously) 

 

Apparently macOS is also getting this same treatment 

 

Source(s): https://www.technobuffalo.com/2018/01/30/ios-12-details-home-screen/

https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-to-focus-on-ios-performance-quality-issues-axios/

Your title is misleading.

[Commodus]

10 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

I'm gonna say it right now.

 

iPhone 5S, iPad Mini 2 & 3 and iPad Air are all not getting IOS 12.

I'd believe it.  iOS 11 was just adequate on my original iPad Air, so any additional performance demands from iOS 12 would probably go too far.

 

Having said that: 5 years of software support (since iOS 12 presumably hits in September) is pretty good for mobile devices.

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

Your title is misleading.

Not really 

[Curufinwe_wins]

This just in Apple: It's ok to be 5-10 years late to a UI that is actually somewhat, marginally ergonomic if you finally acquiesce. Heck, you can even pretend that you had the courage to move past dated ideals (that only you clung to)

 

You know not face filling apps top to bottom. [Some of us actually try to minimize finger travel distance by app placement. Without the disgusting mess of having to use filler apps.]

 

You know, allowing your bigger phones to use 5 wide formatting.

 

The little creature comforts that were notable omissions 5 years ago, and are pure hubris today.

[Curufinwe_wins]

7 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Fortunately for me, and unfortunately for you, Johnny Ive doesn’t care ?

How is it fortunate for you to not have options?

[Commodus]

46 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

This just in Apple: It's ok to be 5-10 years late to a UI that is actually somewhat, marginally ergonomic if you finally acquiesce. Heck, you can even pretend that you had the courage to move past dated ideals (that only you clung to)

 

You know not face filling apps top to bottom. [Some of us actually try to minimize finger travel distance by app placement. Without the disgusting mess of having to use filler apps.]

 

You know, allowing your bigger phones to use 5 wide formatting.

 

The little creature comforts that were notable omissions 5 years ago, and are pure hubris today.

Please don't be That Person who insists on conformity in operating systems.  I can see the allure of what you're asking for, but at the same time, there's an obvious Android fan subtext: "make it more like Android.  Be Android.  In fact, just ship iPhones with Android."

 

This isn't to say iOS couldn't stand some interface improvements, but there are so many Android fans whose only suggestions for changes are to make it more like the devices they're already using.  Like it or not, many people choose iOS precisely because it isn't Android, and Apple has to take that into consideration.  I'd like to see suggestions for improvements that aren't just calls for sameness.

[Sauron]

14 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I know I would much rather have iOS 12 be focused on better battery performance, increases stability, and bug fixes rather then adding lofty features and giving iOS a facelift/redesign. 

That's great, now if only they hadn't promised features they couldn't deliver...

 

14 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The SE is a baller of a phone in the 4" market. Literally nothing at that size is a good as the SE. 

Maybe so, but I wonder why you'd spend so much money on a 4" phone to begin with. What do you need the extra performance for? It's already barely justifiable on larger devices with higher resolutions and enough space to actually do something intensive... on a 4.5"ish screen you barely have the space to type messages and open webpages, going for the "fastest at this size" achievement seems like a pretty pointless endeavor.

 

Also battery life, but it seems Apple really doesn't care about that anymore... it's funny that it used to be one of their major selling points and they're just throwing it out in favor of impractical, ultrathin blogger fodder.

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's great, now if only they hadn't promised features they couldn't deliver...

Everyone does that 

[Amy R]

iOS 10 surely fast, when come to iOS11 is kinda buggy at the first, and later update by update seems fine enough. I hope iOS 12 will be much better. 

 

I know every battery on each device may degrade soon by its lifecycle, and no electronic thingy will last forever.

 

I may stick with my iPhone 7, not gonna switch any since everything is good enough for me. not too big, not too small, just good enough for long term usage.

[Sauron]

12 minutes ago, Commodus said:

Please don't be That Person who insists on conformity in operating systems.  I can see the allure of what you're asking for, but at the same time, there's an obvious Android fan subtext: "make it more like Android.  Be Android.  In fact, just ship iPhones with Android."

 

This isn't to say iOS couldn't stand some interface improvements, but there are so many Android fans whose only suggestions for changes are to make it more like the devices they're already using.  Like it or not, many people choose iOS precisely because it isn't Android, and Apple has to take that into consideration.  I'd like to see suggestions for improvements that aren't just calls for conformity.

The thing with android (and in fact, most operating systems) is that it doesn't HAVE to look a certain way. If iOS had anything to offer when it comes to user customizability this wouldn't be a problem. It's fine to do things in a different way, especially since Android came second, but there are so many things that could be easily improved without compromising what makes iOS good in the first place...

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Everyone does that 

That doesn't make it acceptable, and I've never had a problem calling other companies out for this. Furthermore, I would find it easier to digest if Apple didn't sell the most expensive phones on the mainstream market and if they weren't the most valuable company in the world. There is no way they ran short on funds or didn't have the competence to know what they could or couldn't deliver, so the only conclusion to draw from this is that they lied to sell more units. But then, that's how they roll - marketing before quality, and that has almost always been the case throughout their history. Flashy, overpromising products with massive design flaws or missing features on launch, at state of the art prices.

[Zodiark1593]

8 hours ago, themctipers said:

and im on glorious iOS 10.3.3, with cydia coming

very

 

'soon'..

*is sitting here with most used apps arranged neatly along the bottom in Android, with everything else arranged alphabetically in the drawer*

 

Well, besides allowing unsigned apps to be run, this is the other thing Android does right, or at least, the launcher.

[Techicolors]

still hope we're gonna see quad-core options for the MBP 13 

[79wjd]

8 minutes ago, Technicolors said:

still hope we're gonna see quad-core options for the MBP 13 

Apple will certainly release a quad core Kaby-R MBP at some point.....it's just a matter of how long it takes Apple to get off their ass and actually update their machines. That right there is Apple's biggest problem -- an inability (or lack of desire likely due to hurting the bottom line) to make timely updates to product stacks. 

[themctipers]

35 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

*is sitting here with most used apps arranged neatly along the bottom in Android, with everything else arranged alphabetically in the drawer*

 

Well, besides allowing unsigned apps to be run, this is the other thing Android does right, or at least, the launcher.

true 

but android..

[DrMacintosh]

42 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Furthermore, I would find it easier to digest if Apple didn't sell the most expensive phones on the mainstream market

Until the iPhone X that title belonged

to Samsung actually, and mostly still does. 

 

44 minutes ago, Sauron said:

so the only conclusion to draw from this is that they lied to sell more units.

You’ve never coded software before have you?

[Zodiark1593]

13 minutes ago, themctipers said:

true 

but android..

With LineageOS and the animation scale set to 0.5, responsiveness is honestly quite close or on par with my friend's iPhone 7 (well, that, and I keep things lean as far as background apps go). Definitely a "some assembly required" approach though, and a bit of work on my part to get it that way. In my case, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. For many, not so much.

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

Please don't be That Person who insists on conformity in operating systems.  I can see the allure of what you're asking for, but at the same time, there's an obvious Android fan subtext: "make it more like Android.  Be Android.  In fact, just ship iPhones with Android."

 

This isn't to say iOS couldn't stand some interface improvements, but there are so many Android fans whose only suggestions for changes are to make it more like the devices they're already using.  Like it or not, many people choose iOS precisely because it isn't Android, and Apple has to take that into consideration.  I'd like to see suggestions for improvements that aren't just calls for sameness.

It's not about conformity. If you think that, you've probably misunderstood the critique. People want X desirable feature and want that on their device/OS of choice. Often people point to competing solutions to figure out what they want. 

 

For example: if iOS were to gain proper notifications that wouldn't mean it's now a carbon copy of Android. Or if Android was to finally get a proper messaging platform, that would not mean it's now iOS.

 

Individual features aren't a package solution. And if a popular feature is controversial or polarizing, they can implement it as an option. It's called customization. That's a banned word in Apple space though.

 

That's probably the most funny thing when talking about conformity in regards to Apple products and supposedly not wanting that. They are pretty much the definition of conformity. Every iPhone looks remarkably similar from user to user. There aren't many devices in each segment so everyone will carry identical hardware. That's part of the selling point; that what you carry is recognizable and not only that but recognizable as an Apple product. That way you achieve conformity within your demographic. Ironic, isn't it? It's sold as a life style product and as being exclusive but it's so common today that it's not.

[DrMacintosh]

18 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It's sold as a life style product and as being exclusive but it's so common today that it's not.

Statistically iOS is still a lot more uncommon than Android. 

 

If Apple were to bring back the “Be different” ad campaign it would still work. 

 

Android is the same in its surface level differences, iOS is different in its similarities across devices. 

 

Both have advtanges but I prefer the Apple approach. 

[Sauron]

51 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

You’ve never coded software before have you?

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

The first rule of engineering is to underpromise rather than underdeliver. A competent engineering department would not claim they can add x features in y time if they couldn't. Since I don't believe Apple hires incompetent engineers, I lean towards the idea that the marketing department doesn't listen to R&D or simply lies through their teeth because they know their costumer base will suck it up and defend them like their life depended on it. Case and point, your every response to my criticisms.

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

Until the iPhone X that title belonged

to Samsung actually, and mostly still does.

"Until the iPhone X" indeed, and even if they were in second place the point would stand. If you price your stuff like a luxury item, it had better deliver that luxury and not broken updates and missing features.

 

Just to clarify, I'm not saying samsung is better in this respect.

[themctipers]

54 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

With LineageOS and the animation scale set to 0.5, responsiveness is honestly quite close or on par with my friend's iPhone 7 (well, that, and I keep things lean as far as background apps go). Definitely a "some assembly required" approach though, and a bit of work on my part to get it that way. In my case, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. For many, not so much.

iOS animation speeds are a problem on 10, on 11 it's ok I guess but it fucking drops frames so god dann much in every animation. 

[Trixanity]

22 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Statistically iOS is still a lot more uncommon than Android. 

 

If Apple were to bring back the “Be different” ad campaign it would still work. 

 

Android is the same in its surface level differences, iOS is different in its similarities across devices. 

 

Both have advtanges but I prefer the Apple approach. 

Depends on region. A lot of countries have a 40-50% iOS user base.

 

Of course it'd work. That's what I said. They tell you the story of being the chosen few deviating from the norm who know better. But in reality, at this point, by buying it you become the norm.

 

Android is the same If you want it to be so but that's your choice. Other than that there is no argument to be made there.