by the way the world is going how do you think the far far future will be

[Donut417]

Global Thermal Nuclear war. Not too far off if you ask me. 

[mr moose]

6 hours ago, kokakolia said:

We'll always be poor if:

 

- lobbyists pay government officials billions of dollars to alter laws

- people go into debt to buy things they don't need like expensive cars

 

It's looking bleak. 

It's always been like that,  and people are generally getting less poor.  Not talking about the homeless (which can be argued to be less anyway), but the number of people living in poverty is dropping and most who do live under the poverty line still have t'v and 3 square meals if they want it.

 

However debt will become a thing of the past when automation removes wealth distribution from work or the ability to work.

[Clanscorpia]

Y'all are communists

[Guest]

On 1/21/2018 at 8:39 AM, Canada EH said:

If you think how tech has advanced in the last 25yrs, the next 25 yrs will be even better.

Autonomous vehicles

A.I.

Computer Tech

Graphic Tech

Air Travel

Space Travel

I’m getting none of those in the next 25 years haha. All will be too out of reach or just unnecessary.

[Egg-Roll]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

still have t'v

Who has a TV for TV anymore? Seriously Internet is where it's at

 

On 1/20/2018 at 9:56 PM, Crunchy Dragon said:

What, the year the sun explodes and destroys the Earth?

 

(Doctor Who reference lol)

Never watched the show and understand the reference but you do know that's not how the world will end in 5 billion years right?

 

 

 

 

As for how will the world look? Well oil reserves at current consumption assuming a 1.7 Trillion reserve, we consume about 35 Billion a year, unless we find more oil the world will change dramatically (esp the USA) in the next 40-50 years.

50+ depending what kind of idiot the USA votes in we might not even exist... So why worry...

 

And that assuming Donald Duck doesn't blow us all up with his buddy Kim Bombable...

 

If we somehow survive the next 50 years, I doubt unless something in space kills us we'll have much to worry about...

[kokakolia]

1 hour ago, Clanscorpia said:

Y'all are communists

Ha! Well if you think about free healthcare and free education then it seems like an attractive proposition...

[Clanscorpia]

3 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

Ha! Well if you think about free healthcare and free education then it seems like an attractive proposition...

Except it sucks, free healthcare and free education always suck, really bad, like really bad

[TheCherryKing]

Unfortunately I see the future becoming a communist technocracy. 

[Canada EH]

2 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

o

I will be on a beach in the carribean so

[TurbulentWinds]

100 years: Shift towards democratic republics. Vast improvements in technology, colonization of other planets. Southeast Asian superpowers.

500 years: Shift towards communism/socialism. Shift towards democracy. Unrecognizable technology, total colonization of other planets. African superpowers.

10000 years: Communist system. Shift towards another new economic system not even thought of yet. Shift towards new form of government. Total unification. Colonization of other solar systems.

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

I will be on a beach in the carribean so

Try the Pacific islands

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Clanscorpia said:

Except it sucks, free healthcare and free education always suck, really bad, like really bad

Got some evidence to back that up?

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-healthcare-ranked-second-best-in-developed-world/8716326

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/what-is-k2-or-spice/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/health/health-care-global-uk-national-health-system-eprise/index.html

 

There is no argument, free healthcare works exceptionally well for the whole nation and does not  burden taxpayers as many think it does.  This has been proven in Canada, France, Australia, UK, Norway, Sweden etc etc etc.   

 

Education is such a complex thing that you cannot make such claims, outcomes for students depend on way too many variables to claim it is simply down to who funds it.

[Canada EH]

23 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Try the Pacific islands

got no clue where they are

[Clanscorpia]

6 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Canada

Going to bring this one up specifically. Health care is literally ass here, and any Canadian will agree with you. Its overpriced, wait times are horrendous, and the hospitals suck. It can take months to get an MRI or a transplant with people waiting years for operations that would happen in days if you lived in the United States. The only reason the system there is so bad is because of interfering laws with insurance companies and the governments, driving prices up because the government is forcing them to pay so much. Ill also point out all those countries are severely in debt due to government overspending. Id also like to point out all those countries you mentioned have some of the highest taxes in the world, which is a huge burden on the taxpayer who could get better healthcare for cheaper in a free market. Education is also always better in privatized institutions which can be shown from the higher success rates of people coming out of private schools.

[Clanscorpia]

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate - List of tax rates

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2015367-eng.htm - Education difference

[mr moose]

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Going to bring this one up specifically. Health care is literally ass here, and any Canadian will agree with you. Its overpriced, wait times are horrendous, and the hospitals suck. It can take months to get an MRI or a transplant with people waiting years for operations that would happen in days if you lived in the United States.

 

They wait years for elective and the only reason it happens in the US quicker is becasue the users pays a shit load more.

 

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

 

The only reason the system there is so bad is because of interfering laws with insurance companies and the governments, driving prices up because the government is forcing them to pay so much. Ill also point out all those countries are severely in debt due to government overspending. Id also like to point out all those countries you mentioned have some of the highest taxes in the world, which is a huge burden on the taxpayer who could get better healthcare for cheaper in a free market.

 

This paragraph is just factually wrong.  These countries are all first world countries, have had free/supported health care since the 80's and easily best the US in every health metric.    Trying to claim some sort of "tax burden" on consumers is just ridiculous.    There exists no evidence or even anecdotal meanderings to think such a thing.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

 

Education is also always better in privatized institutions which can be shown from the higher success rates of people coming out of private schools.

Got any proof?  As I said there are way too many variables to go making such basic claims.  

[kokakolia]

14 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Going to bring this one up specifically. Health care is literally ass here, and any Canadian will agree with you. Its overpriced, wait times are horrendous, and the hospitals suck. It can take months to get an MRI or a transplant with people waiting years for operations that would happen in days if you lived in the United States. The only reason the system there is so bad is because of interfering laws with insurance companies and the governments, driving prices up because the government is forcing them to pay so much. Ill also point out all those countries are severely in debt due to government overspending. Id also like to point out all those countries you mentioned have some of the highest taxes in the world, which is a huge burden on the taxpayer who could get better healthcare for cheaper in a free market. Education is also always better in privatized institutions which can be shown from the higher success rates of people coming out of private schools.

Well I live in Canada and Canada sucks for many things. Crappy healthcare, crappy internet, expensive food that sucks, crappy public transit. 

 

But France, France is in a different league for free healthcare and education. 

[mr moose]

13 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate - List of tax rates

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2015367-eng.htm - Education difference

You didn't read that did you?

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

got no clue where they are

That’s the point

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, mr moose said:

You didn't read that did you?

Yes I did the results literally said at the end that private institutions beat them by around 11% in almost every statistic for performance.

 

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

They wait years for elective and the only reason it happens in the US quicker is becasue the users pays a shit load more.

 

This paragraph is just factually wrong.  These countries are all first world countries, have had free/supported health care since the 80's and easily best the US in every health metric.    Trying to claim some sort of "tax burden" on consumers is just ridiculous.    There exists no evidence or even anecdotal meanderings to think such a thing.  

Considering how much we pay in taxes for healthcare it doesnt end up being that much more for the average person with significantly quicker times and quality.  

 

And no its not, the reason why medication and its associated costs are so expensive in the US is because of government interference with the drug companies.

http://time.com/money/4462919/prescription-drug-prices-too-high/

Government lobbying is also a huge issue which occurs throughout the system.

[Donut417]

18 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

Well I live in Canada and Canada sucks for many things. Crappy healthcare, crappy internet, expensive food that sucks, crappy public transit. 

Does it cost $1000 to be taken in to an ambulance to the hospital? Or do medical procedures cots $30,000 in Canada? Or does two epi pens costs $600. Because thats the costs in the US. While I understand you have to be put on a waiting list for some procedures. I rather that, then have to declare bankruptcy when I need to use our health care system. 

[flibberdipper]

I'm kinda feelin' these vibes. 

[Clanscorpia]

14 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Does it cost $1000 to be taken in to an ambulance to the hospital? Or do medical procedures cots $30,000 in Canada? Or does two epi pens costs $600. Because thats the costs in the US. While I understand you have to be put on a waiting list for some procedures. I rather that, then have to declare bankruptcy when I need to use our health care system. 

About half that in most provinces, some of them do, and about a third, on top of the massive taxes we pay.

[mr moose]

38 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Yes I did the results literally said at the end that private institutions beat them by around 11% in almost every statistic for performance.

You are confusing correlation with causation:

 

Quote

Two factors consistently accounted for the differences in academic outcomes between public and private sector students: socio-economic characteristics and peers. The province of school attendance accounted for a substantial portion of differences in academic outcomes in high school (test scores and high school graduation rates), but generally not at the postsecondary level. School resources and practices played little to no role in the differences in any academic outcome.

 

The two primary factors that account for academic difference are both beyond control of the school. Meaning the difference in outcomes is not due to being a private school but by the type of people that can afford it.    Honestly,  I told you these things are not simple and there are too many variables to make absolute statements with.

 

 

38 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Considering how much we pay in taxes for healthcare it doesnt end up being that much more for the average person with significantly quicker times and quality.  

 

And no its not, the reason why medication and its associated costs are so expensive in the US is because of government interference with the drug companies.

http://time.com/money/4462919/prescription-drug-prices-too-high/

Government lobbying is also a huge issue which occurs throughout the system.

You are still trying to argue that the a public/free health system is worse yet every metric by which it is measured it is better and every example you give only serves to bolster that.  Not sure why you would think it isn't better.  The US is one of very few 1st world countries that insists on living in the early 20th century and that is starting to show with everything from life expectancy to crime rate.  Whilst all other countries that embrace public health care, public education and so are enjoying far better outcomes.

 

It's really not up for debate,  Researchers have been monitoring these things for decades now and the US literally falls short every time while countries like the UK and Sweden and Australia are ranked the best.    If you want higher infant mortality, forced private health insurance bills, lower life expectancy and so then by all means try to encourage a free market in health care. 

 

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[Clanscorpia]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

 

It's really not up for debate,  Researchers have been monitoring these things for decades now and the US literally falls short every time while countries like the UK and Sweden and Australia are ranked the best.    If you want higher infant mortality, forced private health insurance bills, lower life expectancy and so then by all means try to encourage a free market in health care. 

 

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Also are extremely in debt, have high taxes, and are fairly single cultural. The US is extremely broad with a huge amount of issues that can cause those with healthcare being a small part of it. ITs not a true free market system because as you said, things like forced private heath insurance bills are caused by the government putting influence on the system driving prices up.