Vega 64 watercooled VS 1080ti watercooled, benchmark request!

[shotsfired]

So, Vega 64s from XFX are in stock on Amazon, for $500. This is good news! But, some things will need to be clarified before I just go buying one... 

 

Firstly, no budget is enforced on something I really want. 

Secondly, this is more complicated than which one is best. It's what you think is WORTH it. 

Thirdly, fanboyism will be immediately reported. If you blindly love Team Green, or Team Red, awesome. Don't shit on this post, please. 

 

Alright. Vega 64 is 500 now. That's incredible to see. Performance, when water cooled, is a whole new story, however. Lots of things to keep in mind. FineWine improvements to the Vega could bring it ahead of the 1080, and we all know Nvidia sucks at driver support. With the Vega at 500 and a waterblock at 130, this could be a killer combo! One caveat, however... the Vega draws SO MUCH power. And overclocking it will worsen that power draw. I've seen examples where it drew 435 watts during a

Furmark test. That's insanity. I know on water, the Vega chip stays nice and frosty. But if it's anything like Ryzen, with a voltage wall, it'll get sent back to Amazon with a refund request. Now, the 1080 is a solid contender, but Jay has taught me to go as high as I can, when buying, so that I don't need to upgrade sooner. So, probs 1080ti, right? I'm also interested in watercooled SLI/CF, however, since I've wanted that enthusiast level hardware for a while now. Just looks damn great, you know? This also is a restriction, because x2 Vega at full pin, overclocked, would be close to 850w of power, JUST for the GPUs. 

 

So, my dilemma is this: 

Vega 64, watercooled @ $630, huge power draw with possible improvements over time. Feel good purchase.

OR

1080ti watercooled @ $859, better power draw, could be worse when OC'd, shoddy driver support, but current King of the Hill.

 

What would YOU do, and why? Can anyone show me benchmarks of their Vega 64 + 7700k system, so I can see if the Vega 64 got better over time? 

 

Thanks! 

[Essence_of_Darkness]

2 minutes ago, shotsfired said:

So, Vega 64s from XFX are in stock on Amazon, for $500. This is good news! But, some things will need to be clarified before I just go buying one... 

 

Firstly, no budget is enforced on something I really want. 

Secondly, this is more complicated than which one is best. It's what you think is WORTH it. 

Thirdly, fanboyism will be immediately reported. If you blindly love Team Green, or Team Red, awesome. Don't shit on this post, please. 

 

Alright. Vega 64 is 500 now. That's incredible to see. Performance, when water cooled, is a whole new story, however. Lots of things to keep in mind. FineWine improvements to the Vega could bring it ahead of the 1080, and we all know Nvidia sucks at driver support. With the Vega at 500 and a waterblock at 130, this could be a killer combo! One caveat, however... the Vega draws SO MUCH power. And overclocking it will worsen that power draw. I've seen examples where it drew 435 watts during a

Furmark test. That's insanity. I know on water, the Vega chip stays nice and frosty. But if it's anything like Ryzen, with a voltage wall, it'll get sent back to Amazon with a refund request. Now, the 1080 is a solid contender, but Jay has taught me to go as high as I can, when buying, so that I don't need to upgrade sooner. So, probs 1080ti, right? I'm also interested in watercooled SLI/CF, however, since I've wanted that enthusiast level hardware for a while now. Just looks damn great, you know? This also is a restriction, because x2 Vega at full pin, overclocked, would be close to 850w of power, JUST for the GPUs. 

 

So, my dilemma is this: 

Vega 64, watercooled @ $630, huge power draw with possible improvements over time. Feel good purchase.

OR

1080ti watercooled @ $859, better power draw, could be worse when OC'd, shoddy driver support, but current King of the Hill.

 

What would YOU do, and why? Can anyone show me benchmarks of their Vega 64 + 7700k system, so I can see if the Vega 64 got better over time? 

 

Thanks! 

If you are doing just gaming then 1080 Ti will serve you better but if you are doing anything related to professional work then Vega 64 is way to go.

[System Error Message]

actually the cooler a processor the less power it consumes.

 

So you could shave 10W or more just by keeping it really cool.

[AresKrieger]

5 minutes ago, shotsfired said:

and we all know Nvidia sucks at driver support.

The only reason people think amd is good at driver support is due to them refreshing their cards, it isn't hard to keep good drivers if the new card is the same as the old card just with a higher clock speed and better thermals, when they make new designs they are no better look at the fury for a recent example.

[Vroooom]

I wouldn't count on finewine letting Vega catch the 1080 Ti. Max OC to Max OC, the 1080 Ti actually has slightly more Flops

[WereCat]

Just go watch GamersNexus review of Vega... and even with massive OC to over 1700MHz on the core, it is not even close to the Titan X.

[Princess Luna]

 

[Moress]

Will V64 ever become better than a 1080ti in most games, no (Its already faster in a couple though, Forza 7) But you're also paying $200 more for the 1080ti so it should be expected that it would be faster. Will it eventually overtake the 1080 though, Id be willing to say probably

[dizmo]

1080Ti all the way. It's performance is consistent, whereas the Vega cards are hit and miss. I know if it was my money, I wouldn't be spending it on a card that may or may not perform great on a title I want to play.

[Rolling Potatoe]

Vega 64 performs clock for clock the same as vega 56 in games https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3053-vega-64-vs-vega-56-clock-for-clock-shader-differences , performance wise you are buying an overclocked vega 56 for 500$. Vega 64 will probably never come close to a 1080 ti in games,

but you will draw a lot of power if you try. If you have a freesync monitor and really dont care about the power draw it might make sense for 500$,

but at around the same pricepoint a 1070 ti makes a lot more sense otherwise (overclocks nicely it seems). If course if you really want all the performance you can get go for a 1080 ti.

[shotsfired]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

Just go watch GamersNexus review of Vega... and even with massive OC to over 1700MHz on the core, it is not even close to the Titan X.

This is a good reply. Thank you. I will go check that video out right after this.  

[shotsfired]

1 hour ago, Rolling Potatoe said:

Vega 64 performs clock for clock the same as vega 56 in games https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3053-vega-64-vs-vega-56-clock-for-clock-shader-differences , performance wise you are buying an overclocked vega 56 for 500$. Vega 64 will probably never come close to a 1080 ti in games,

but you will draw a lot of power if you try. If you have a freesync monitor and really dont care about the power draw it might make sense for 500$,

but at around the same pricepoint a 1070 ti makes a lot more sense otherwise (overclocks nicely it seems). If course if you really want all the performance you can get go for a 1080 ti.

I don't have a FreeSync or GSync monitor, that is to come soon though. Doesn't it seem like FreeSync is more widely supported with monitor makers, these days?? 

[shotsfired]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

Thank you. This was very informative. 

[shotsfired]

2 hours ago, WereCat said:

Just go watch GamersNexus review of Vega... and even with massive OC to over 1700MHz on the core, it is not even close to the Titan X.

Can you link that video? For some reason, I can't find it. 

 

[Rolling Potatoe]

42 minutes ago, shotsfired said:

I don't have a FreeSync or GSync monitor, that is to come soon though. Doesn't it seem like FreeSync is more widely supported with monitor makers, these days?? 

Gsync needs a dedicated module from Nvidia that adds around 200$ to the price of a monitor, 

that is why it is not that widely supported despite most people running nvidia gpus. Freesync uses the

displayport standart (some can do freesyc over hdmi though), so it doesnt add much cost but might not

be implemented as well as gsync especially in very cheap monitors. If you are in the freesync or gsync range

(freesync often only down to 48 fps max) both technologies should do the same though. Of course Nvidia could also

start supporting freesync .... but it seems they much rather sell their gsync modules for some extra $$$.

[Uzume]

Running 2x Vega 64 liquid cooled and they perform very well at compute (Seti@Home) and can also play games OK... but not great. Go the 1080Tis if gaming is more important than compute. As more games become made specifically for DX12/Vulcan things will improve, but by the time they improve enough to rock anyone socks then the next gen GPUs will likely be out.

 

The 120mm radiator attached to each GPU with push-pull fan configuration (extra fan added after market) does a great job pulling the heat out of the cards and they never get above 65% deg celsius with 24/7 100% load. The room sure gets toasty though.

[WereCat]

11 hours ago, shotsfired said:

Can you link that video? For some reason, I can't find it. 

 

 

[Kilobit81]

On 11/3/2017 at 4:31 PM, Moress said:

Will V64 ever become better than a 1080ti in most games, no (Its already faster in a couple though, Forza 7) But you're also paying $200 more for the 1080ti so it should be expected that it would be faster. Will it eventually overtake the 1080 though, Id be willing to say probably

The Vega 64 is faster in Microsoft titles because Microsoft implements true Asynchronous Compute in their DX12 titles. Nvidia requested developers to not implement True Asynchronous Compute in their DX12 titles because it would give AMD a large advantage. They did however request developers to use their proprietary Asynch Compute instructions because Nvidia does not have support for True Asynchronous Compute. Nvidia uses a simulated Asynch Compute implemented in their BIOS firmware which requires their instructions. If True Asynchronous Compute was implemented in all DX 12 titles the Vega 64 would destroy the Geforce 1080ti in every benchmark.