Posted October 13, 2017 And I've got a question. Why aren't SSDs not the size of HDDs? Theoraticly, the bigger the size, the higher the capacity. Right? Or maybe do generate heat (I know.. every component does). Or does it degrade performance? I really don't know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 I always thought they couldent fit enough storage into the size of a ssd? like the chips they can't physicall make any smaller and they can't make the ssd any bigger..just my cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 do you mean capacity (GBs) or physical size? Capacity: They are expensive as shit to make Size: dont need to be massive because they use nand flash chips not metal disks with a motor. Plus they kept them in line with 2.5" drives for better compatibility in smaller devices like laptops where you can just swap it out easily ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 SSDs are based on NAND chips which are quite similar to RAM except it store data even when power is off We are moving towards smaller production bigger =/= better performance Budget? Uses? Currency? Location? Operating System? Peripherals? Monitor? Use PCPartPicker wherever possible. Quote whom you're replying to, and set option to follow your topics. Or Else we can't see your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 Flash chips die. I wouldn't trust an SSD to hold several terabytes of data over a trusty platter drive for backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 It can be 3.5 inch but that would mean either a lot of empty space cause when you open up an SSD, only a third of the casing is actual pcb or alot of memory modules and that would be very expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 Because SSDs use NAND chips, not huge spinning platters. It would be expensive as hell too to make a large one. PSU Nerd | PC Parts Flipper | Cable Management Guru Helpful Links: PSU Tier List | Why not group reg? | Avoid the EVGA G3 Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server) Full Specs Spoiler Helios EVO (Main): Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14 Pacific Spirit XT - Server Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M Delta - Laptop ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger Intel is bringing DDR4 to the mainstream with the Intel® Core™ i5 6600K and i7 6700K processors. Learn more by clicking the link in the description below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 They could make SSD with 10TB storage without any problem. In fact it would be easier to make 20TB SSD than 20TB HDD. But that would be way too expensive. Also they need to hold back a bit, so they can keep selling us new SSDs every year. Intel i7 12700K | Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 | Pure Loop 240mm | G.Skill 3200MHz 32GB CL14 | CM V850 G2 | RTX 3070 Phoenix | Lian Li O11 Air mini Samsung EVO 960 M.2 250GB | Samsung EVO 860 PRO 512GB | 4x Be Quiet! Silent Wings 140mm fans WD My Cloud 4TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Simon771 said: They could make SSD with 10TB storage without any problem. In fact it would be easier to make 20TB SSD than 20TB HDD. But that would be way too expensive. Also they need to hold back a bit, so they can keep selling us new SSDs every year. They have made 60TB SSDs. They're just exorbitantly expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 HDDs use moving mechanical parts (E.g. spinning platters) which explains their hige sizes, while SSDs use Nand flash storage with no moving parts, which enables the manufacturer to use a smaller form factor (E.g. M.2 sata/NVMe drives). HDDs tend to wear out quicker while SSDs, from my knowledge, have a maximun amount of data that can be read or write until it dies. For sure, you will be paying a premium for an SSD, especially NVMe drives with huge storage capacities, while HDDs are much cheaper but much slower, so get a huge storage capacity HDD for storing lots of games and other data, and get like a 240GB sata SSD for the boot drive as well as storing the OS and some other miscellaneous programes/files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, Sierra Fox said: Plus they kept them in line with 2.5" drives for better compatibility in smaller devices like laptops I think this is truly the main reason for the 2.5" form factor of ssds, and also because as others said no real point in making ssds 3.5", only benefit is more space which they could use for a small increase in capacity, but price would also go up and they'd have to design a new 3.5" enclosure and manufacture it.... just no desktop Spoiler r5 3600,3450@0.9v (0.875v get) 4.2ghz@1.25v (1.212 get) | custom loop cpu&gpu 1260mm nexxos xt45 | MSI b450i gaming ac | crucial ballistix 2x8 3000c15->3733c15@1.39v(1.376v get) |Zotac 2060 amp | 256GB Samsung 950 pro nvme | 1TB Adata su800 | 4TB HGST drive | Silverstone SX500-LG HTPC Spoiler HTPC i3 7300 | Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H | 16GB G Skill | Adata XPG SX8000 128GB M.2 | Many HDDs | Rosewill FBM-01 | Corsair CXM 450W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, kerradeph said: They have made 60TB SSDs. They're just exorbitantly expensive. Didn't know that, but seems like I was right. Easy to make just expensive. Normal user should only buy up to 1TB of SSD, and use HDD for the rest. That isn't so expnsive anymore. Put OS and programs on SSD, then maybe few games ... everything else can be put on normal HDD if you ask me. Intel i7 12700K | Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 | Pure Loop 240mm | G.Skill 3200MHz 32GB CL14 | CM V850 G2 | RTX 3070 Phoenix | Lian Li O11 Air mini Samsung EVO 960 M.2 250GB | Samsung EVO 860 PRO 512GB | 4x Be Quiet! Silent Wings 140mm fans WD My Cloud 4TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 They don't need to be big. They don't even need to be as big as they are now. If you mean capacity wise, they are, they're just expensive. 58 minutes ago, Soap11101 said: I always thought they couldent fit enough storage into the size of a ssd? like the chips they can't physicall make any smaller and they can't make the ssd any bigger..just my cents. Definitely can, it's just expensive. The inside of a standard SSD is mostly empty space. 35 minutes ago, Simon771 said: Didn't know that, but seems like I was right. Easy to make just expensive. Normal user should only buy up to 1TB of SSD, and use HDD for the rest. That isn't so expnsive anymore. Put OS and programs on SSD, then maybe few games ... everything else can be put on normal HDD if you ask me. I only use HDD (external) for media back up. For every program and game, SSD all the way. My next system will have a 1TB, my friends getting 1 or 2 2TB SSDs. Screw mechanical storage CPU: Ryzen 9 5900 Cooler: EVGA CLC280 Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i Pro AX RAM: Kingston Hyper X 32GB 3200mhz Storage: WD 750 SE 500GB, WD 730 SE 1TB GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 Ti PSU: Corsair SF750 Case: Streacom DA2 Monitor: LG 27GL83B Mouse: Razer Basilisk V2 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Speakers: Mackie CR5BT MiniPC - Sold for $100 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5 RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980 PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73 Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red OG Gaming Rig - Gone Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970 PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, dizmo said: I only use HDD (external) for media back up. For every program and game, SSD all the way. My next system will have a 1TB, my friends getting 1 or 2 2TB SSDs. Screw mechanical storage I'm also using only SSD in my rig as you can see from signature. But had to buy WDMyCloud 4TB to store my movies and backups. Main reason for me was noise from HDD, and wanted to get rid of any moving parts in my PC Intel i7 12700K | Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X DDR4 | Pure Loop 240mm | G.Skill 3200MHz 32GB CL14 | CM V850 G2 | RTX 3070 Phoenix | Lian Li O11 Air mini Samsung EVO 960 M.2 250GB | Samsung EVO 860 PRO 512GB | 4x Be Quiet! Silent Wings 140mm fans WD My Cloud 4TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 CPU: Ryzen 7 2700x, Cooling: Corsair H100i Platinum AIO MOBO: Asus Strix B450 F GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1080 Founders Edition + Arctic Accelero Xtreme III RAM: 2x8GB ThermalTake ToughRAM White 3200MHz PSU: Corsair RM850x White Storage: 250GB Samsung 970 Evo NVMe CASE: Corsair 275r Airflow White OTHER: White and Orange Cable Extensions ---- MONITOR: Samsung LC32JG5 32" WQHD 1440p VA 144Hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted October 13, 2017 2.5inch Form factor is the choice drive sized for SSDs because of the versatility they have. Either Laptop or PC will accommodate them easily. There is no point at this time to make them larger than they as there is no need. The post above mine shows why. COMMUNITY STANDARDS | TECH NEWS POSTING GUIDELINES | FORUM STAFF LTT Folding Users Tips, Tricks and FAQ | F@H & BOINC Badge Request | F@H Contribution | My Rig | Project Steamroller I am a Moderator, but I am fallible. Discuss or debate with me as you will but please do not argue with me as that will get us nowhere. Spoiler † † † Character is like a Tree and Reputation like its Shadow. The Shadow is what we think of it; The Tree is the Real thing. ~ Abraham Lincoln Reputation is a Lifetime to create but seconds to destroy. You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. ~ Winston Churchill Docendo discimus - "to teach is to learn" † CHRISTIAN MEMBER † Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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