what psu is suitable for a vega 56+r5 1600

[Lordgaben2156]

I am planning to build a PC using the vega 56 plus the r5 1600 and wondered how beefy my psu needs to be any help would be appreciated I have a pc part picker list here https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bPNhQV and a budget including a monitor of £1200 (I can push this if have to)

[Sir Asvald]

This one:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£74.11 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £74.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[Lordgaben2156]

thanks for the quick reply will look into it 

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2 minutes ago, Abdul201588 said:

This one:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£74.11 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £74.11
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-03 14:00 BST+0100

 

 

[minibois]

Alternatively you could also look into the EVGA G3 series (which is not much different from the G2) or Corsair's RMX series.

[Lordgaben2156]

3 minutes ago, Minibois said:

Alternatively you could also look into the EVGA G3 series (which is not much different from the G2) or Corsair's RMX series.

will have a look thanks 

[Lordgaben2156]

also if anyone has any improvement ideas for my build please feel free to tell me 

[Fardin]

32 minutes ago, Lordgaben2156 said:

also if anyone has any improvement ideas for my build please feel free to tell me 

choose a different mobo from asus or asrock. Msi b350 boards are known to have lot of issues & cheap Vrm . here I changed it slightly. it looks perfect now. 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£186.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£94.51 @ More Computers) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£83.97 @ BT Shop) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£80.97 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: *Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  (£389.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£76.80 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£85.31 @ CCL Computers) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (£219.90 @ More Computers) 
Total: £1337.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-03 15:00 BST+0100

[Lordgaben2156]

3 minutes ago, Fardin said:

choose a different mobo from asus or asrock. Msi b350 boards are known to have lot of issues & cheap Vrm . 

thanks I will have a look around and find an alternative unless you have any suggestions 

[Fardin]

Just now, Lordgaben2156 said:

thanks I will have a look around and find an alternative unless you have any suggestions 

done already. I chosen full modular & better psu also. goodluck

[Lordgaben2156]

thank everyone for the great advice I am pretty new to the forum and have found the community extremely friendly and helpful so far

[STRMfrmXMN]

3 hours ago, Fardin said:

choose a different mobo from asus or asrock. Msi b350 boards are known to have lot of issues & cheap Vrm . here I changed it slightly. it looks perfect now. 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£186.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£94.51 @ More Computers) 
Memory: *Team - Vulcan 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£119.50 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (£83.97 @ BT Shop) 
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£80.97 @ CCL Computers) 
Video Card: *Sapphire - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  (£389.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Case: NZXT - S340 Elite (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£76.80 @ Aria PC) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£85.31 @ CCL Computers) 
Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  (£219.90 @ More Computers) 
Total: £1337.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-03 15:00 BST+0100

The MSI PC Mate has a better VRM realistically when the Asrock's 3-phase has such tremendously bad Vdroop and no LLC settings that the voltage will drop to 1.2V under load...

 

Source: dealt with this Asrock B350 VRM and overclocking is a no-go.

[Fardin]

6 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

The MSI PC Mate has a better VRM realistically when the Asrock's 3-phase has such tremendously bad Vdroop and no LLC settings that the voltage will drop to 1.2V under load...

 

Source: dealt with this Asrock B350 VRM and overclocking is a no-go.

okay I am slight confused as it seems in forum Msi is no for recommendation. so far all recommend asrock & asus .specially @dave_k seems to dig alot about b350 vrms. but my personal knowledge asrock should be fine for ryzen 5. 

however @Lordgaben2156 if you don't feel safe, go for asus 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus . I am sure nobody would disagree for this board

[just_dave]

26 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

The MSI PC Mate has a better VRM realistically when the Asrock's 3-phase has such tremendously bad Vdroop and no LLC settings that the voltage will drop to 1.2V under load...

 

Source: dealt with this Asrock B350 VRM and overclocking is a no-go.

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ASRock has higher efficiency and power capabilites than both horrible Gigabyte 4+3 and MSI 4+2. In this case it matters probably more than Vcore control.

All B350s are bad for R7 OC but R5 and R3 are fine

Edited September 3, 2017 by dave_k
i am dumb sorry lel

[STRMfrmXMN]

1 minute ago, dave_k said:

You are wrong and dont recommend anything.

 

You're a little pushy, aren't you? That's incredibly rude.

 

I've actually spent multiple weeks trying to OC a Ryzen 5 1600 on an Asrock B350M Pro4. The Vdroop is tremendously bad and this is well-documented all over the internet. There's no load line calibration settings and no voltage offset to speak of. Believe me, I'm aware that the power delivery design should theoretically be better than most of the other VRM designs bar things like the Asus Strix and MSI Krait and Carbon, but the vdroop is so horrendously bad you cannot OC. The voltage, while running AIDA64 with the Vcore set at 1.325V and the clock at 3.7GHz drops to 1.21V because the board can't handle it. The whole system because unusable if OCing via the BIOS while, if using Ryzen Master, the system will restart when an OC fails. Looking at documentation in AIDA shows that the board shuts down due to voltage not being pumped to the chip.

[just_dave]

Just now, STRMfrmXMN said:

You're a little pushy, aren't you? That's incredibly rude.

 

I've actually spent multiple weeks trying to OC a Ryzen 5 1600 on an Asrock B350M Pro4. The Vdroop is tremendously bad and this is well-documented all over the internet. There's no load line calibration settings and no voltage offset to speak of. Believe me, I'm aware that the power delivery design should theoretically be better than most of the other VRM designs bar things like the Asus Strix and MSI Krait and Carbon, but the vdroop is so horrendously bad you cannot OC. The voltage, while running AIDA64 with the Vcore set at 1.325V and the clock at 3.7GHz drops to 1.21V because the board can't handle it. The whole system because unusable if OCing via the BIOS while, if using Ryzen Master, the system will restart when an OC fails. Looking at documentation in AIDA shows that the board shuts down due to voltage not being pumped to the chip.

Wow. I thought there was LLC setting.

Gonna change my list.

Sorta thanks.

[STRMfrmXMN]

9 minutes ago, Fardin said:

okay I am slight confused as it seems in forum Msi is no for recommendation. so far all recommend asrock & asus .specially @dave_k seems to dig alot about b350 vrms. but my personal knowledge asrock should be fine for ryzen 5. 

however @Lordgaben2156 if you don't feel safe, go for asus 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fPDzK8/asus-prime-b350-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-b350-plus . I am sure nobody would disagree for this board

People don't like the X370 Titanium because the power delivery design is idiotic for the price tag. It's not tremendously bad but the B350 Krait is as good for nearly half the price. 

 

The Asus is alright with a decent 4-phase but, from what Buildzoid has described, isn't tremendously efficient. Still would recommend it over the Asrock board if OC is your priority.

[Stefan Payne]

4 hours ago, Lordgaben2156 said:

I am planning to build a PC using the vega 56 plus the r5 1600 and wondered how beefy my psu needs to be any help would be appreciated I have a pc part picker list here https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bPNhQV and a budget including a monitor of £1200 (I can push this if have to)

550W is fine.

 

But for Ryzen I'd recomend a good 6 Layer board and great memory for highest possible clock rate. 

That can give you something like +20% more performance...

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 minutes ago, dave_k said:

Wow. I thought there was LLC setting.

Gonna change my list.

Sorta thanks.

Yeah, lack of LLC and offset means you literally cannot OC on this board. I've seen people claim they managed to overclock to 3.8 GHz at 1.35V on 1700s and things like that on this board but I have my doubts that they ever run a stress test that the board would be able to take the abuse. The VRMs don't even get that hot, they just cannot handle voltage when you have no LLC settings.

[Fardin]

2 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

People don't like the X370 Titanium because the power delivery design is idiotic for the price tag. It's not tremendously bad but the B350 Krait is as good for nearly half the price. 

 

The Asus is alright with a decent 4-phase but, from what Buildzoid has described, isn't tremendously efficient. Still would recommend it over the Asrock board if OC is your priority.

I have not much investigate about vrm, so I can't really argue. but I wish to recommend the best so that the person don't face frustration. thank you so much. so it seems pc mate & krait board from msi are recommendable?  

[just_dave]

14 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Yeah, lack of LLC and offset means you literally cannot OC on this board. I've seen people claim they managed to overclock to 3.8 GHz at 1.35V on 1700s and things like that on this board but I have my doubts that they ever run a stress test that the board would be able to take the abuse. The VRMs don't even get that hot, they just cannot handle voltage when you have no LLC settings.

Exactly, dumb people see someone on youtube overclocking Ryzen 1800X on the cheapest B350 in Best Buy and think it can do wonders so why would they bother getting X370 Taichi or Crosshair 6 Hero

15 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

People don't like the X370 Titanium because the power delivery design is idiotic for the price tag. It's not tremendously bad but the B350 Krait is as good for nearly half the price. 

 

The Asus is alright with a decent 4-phase but, from what Buildzoid has described, isn't tremendously efficient. Still would recommend it over the Asrock board if OC is your priority.

You've got it wrong, the Asus 4 phase is the for other efficient. I did calculations, see the pic. B350 Krait/Carbon (and rest of X370 crap from MSI except Titanium) have really bad heatsinks (i had carbon) and they output heat somewhere between Tomahawk and Strix. "rest" means other minor losses. Over 0.5 is rounded up, under 0.4 is rounded down. The Strix was confirmed and approved by buildzoid, so i used the exact same formula.

 

[just_dave]

6 minutes ago, Fardin said:

I have not much investigate about vrm, so I can't really argue. but I wish to recommend the best so that the person don't face frustration. thank you so much. so it seems pc mate & krait board from msi are recommendable?  

PC Mate (Tomahawk VRM) absolutely not, it has crappy small 4+2. Krait has bit better VRM but strix is the same or very similiar. I had Carbon and it had extremely shitty BIOS and memory support

[Stefan Payne]

17 minutes ago, dave_k said:

PC Mate (Tomahawk VRM) absolutely not, it has crappy small 4+2. Krait has bit better VRM but strix is the same or very similiar. I had Carbon and it had extremely shitty BIOS and memory support

And?
Does it really matter for Ryzen?! 

The best you can get out of it is 4.1GHz, if you're lucky 4.2GHz. That's totally irrelevant.

 

What's much more important is memory clock.

And a Board that allows for high memory clock and is optimized for this.

The talk about VRM is just wayne...

You won't put 200W through the CPU...

[just_dave]

6 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And?
Does it really matter for Ryzen?! 

The best you can get out of it is 4.1GHz, if you're lucky 4.2GHz. That's totally irrelevant.

 

What's much more important is memory clock.

And a Board that allows for high memory clock and is optimized for this.

The talk about VRM is just wayne...

You won't put 200W through the CPU...

Haha. It does matter much more than you think

All VRMs found on B350 and few X370s overheat- 80-100°C on Heatsink (that means 120+ °C inside the mosfet) when powering Ryzen 7 at 1.4V which means 100A - Total 140W power consumptiom. The VRMs are junk and most manafacturers instead of heatsinks add only pure blocks of aluminium.

If you want, i can post thermal imaging and graphs to prove it.

@jdwii post the video from chew (B350)

[Stefan Payne]

5 minutes ago, dave_k said:

when powering Ryzen 7 at 1.4V which means 100A - Total 140W power consumptiom.

And you do that for how much more Core Frequency?? 100MHz? if you are lucky?
And that for at least 50W more power consumption...

 

Ryzen is NOT designed for high frequency and comes out of the box at the upper end. 

You can see that the 1800X, 1700X and 1700 are different.

 

And in the end we are talking about something like 0,125V for 200MHz more or so.

So why bother with the core frequency when you don't have any room to increase it??

[just_dave]

6 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

And you do that for how much more Core Frequency?? 100MHz? if you are lucky?
And that for at least 50W more power consumption...

ffs, people understand, electricity isnt measured in GHz, Talking about GHz in the case of VRM overheating is completely irrelevant. Voltages matter.

Tomahawk runs 80°C heatsink with R7 at 1.35V, thats 100+ on the VRM Tc and over 120°C on mosfet Tj.

I can show you the pics.

R7 eats as much power as 7700K and thats 8 vs 4 cores.