AMD RX Vega reviews

[Dylanc1500]

25 minutes ago, RelyBedGrammer said:

when is it coming anyways?

Depends on if you are referring to consumer products or not. Systems with Volta are already being implemented.

[Agosto]

12 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

it's okay to hang on to the hype train buddy, but once it's off the rails and down the clif you can just let go...

Don't get me wrong, I'm still disappointed, but you shouldn't use wrong data to say you go for the green team.

As always, Vega works out of the efficiency range because AMD got something wrong since the early versions of GCN.

[PCGuy_5960]

4 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Ryzen is still beating Intel in professional software. 

Depends, which Intel CPU are you talking about? Because the 1700/1800X doesn't beat the 7820X in professional software

5 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

480/580 is faster than 390x and 980.

Nope, the 980 is faster than both the 580 and the 1060, especially if you overclock it (Dunno about the 390X)

[goodtofufriday]

Amd needs ti lower the price of all the cards by like 100~150$ USD. Then it would be much more compelling

[ivan134]

8 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Depends, which Intel CPU are you talking about? Because the 1700/1800X doesn't beat the 7820X in professional software

Nope, the 980 is faster than both the 580 and the 1060, especially if you overclock it (Dunno about the 390X)

Go through the list of games

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_rx_vega_56_8gb_review,13.html

[Shreyas1]

ahhh my 1070 is still somewhat relevant. 

[Agosto]

3 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

Amd needs ti lower the price of all the cards by like 100~150$ USD. Then it would be much more compelling

Given the current situation, people will be lucky to find Vega cards at MSRP.

[Prox1ma]

Utterly disappointed. AMD has failed yet again with Vega.

3 hours ago, VagabondWraith said:

Wait for Navi™

 

 

[MyName13]

10 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

Lmao. Oh, man. You're such a sad person. Zen is only weaker in games because they need to be retro patched. In the games that have received Ryzen patches, performance is great. Ryzen is still beating Intel in professional software. 480/580 is faster than 390x and 980.

Zen is only weaker because it's an inferior architecture, just accept the truth and move on, if it's hard to accept then at least don't glorify zen as Intel killer, it only kills everything above i5 7500, everything below is somewhat disappointing.

[ivan134]

5 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Zen is only weaker because it's an inferior architecture, just accept the truth and move on, if it's hard to accept then at least don't glorify zen as Intel killer, it only kills everything above i5 7500, everything below is somewhat disappointing.

Not sure if troll or *this is against the CoC*

[JoeCoke]

Well. It's just like I feared. Vega is only competing or slightly winning, but at double the power usage and over a year late. The only way I would have justified that power draw is if the 56 was similar to 1080 performance. And yeah yeah, I'm sure people are already on the wait for drivers shit, but I'm done waiting. My build I'm eventually building will have a EVGA 1070, end of story. AMD done fucked up.

[dorin]

So, it is ok to buy a semi failed product just to keep the company from bankruptcy? What would stop the company from doing the same thing over and over again knowing that the money will be there every time? I'm not saying that it will be better without AMD on the market, on the contrary. The product was nowhere near the hype AMD created regarding Vega. This is what we need to boycott: the hype that AMD is creating regarding one product and then under delivers with no consequences. Remember the game preordering boycott? 

[Monkey Dust]

Somewhat disappointing. But from AMDs point of view they can probably sell every card they make to miners, so financially it's going to be a win, which is what they need.  And from our point of view the 56 combined with a 1440p Freesync monitor does look pretty appealing.

 

I wonder how much they could have lowered the price by if they went with GDDR 5 rather than HBM2?

[The Benjamins]

7 minutes ago, dorin said:

So, it is ok to buy a semi failed product just to keep the company from bankruptcy? What would stop the company from doing the same thing over and over again knowing that the money will be there every time? I'm not saying that it will be better without AMD on the market, on the contrary. The product was nowhere near the hype AMD created regarding Vega. This is what we need to boycott: the hype that AMD is creating regarding one product and then under delivers with no consequences. Remember the game preordering boycott? 

next time quote me.

 

Most of the hype is created by us not AMD.

 

All I am saying is if Vega works for you and you are fine with it using more power then go ahead and get it. just don't avoid it at all costs.

[captain cactus]

GCN us pretty much at its EoL at this point. It's great for raw compute, but at the powerdraw of SLI 1080s and equal the gaming performance it's a fail. The 56 makes more sense at this point and seems to be the optimal configuration for the Vega arch. Above 56CUs and you get a: bottlenecking front/backend and b: massive power draw increase for small perofmance gain. 

 

Also, many reviewers have already confirmed that the drivers used here are pretty basic. HBCC is turned off by default, primitive shaders are entirely absent, as is the rasterizer. While it's a good sign that Vega is equal to the competition here (despite the higer power draw) with these things disabled as it means future drivers will improve performance (FineWine in action) it's really clear here that AMD rushed Vega to market with unfinished drivers that have the really important stuff disabled. That makes them look bad on launch days and those reviews are the ones you want to be scoring great numbers in. It's pretty much a repeat of the RX480 launch. Drivers need to mature, then we have Vega on top of 1070/1080. As long as the prices stay at MSRP and don't skyrocket because of miners (first indications are good on that front, Vega can't mine a lot better than a 1070/RX480) it's a good GPU. AMD needs it badly. 

 

That said, this launch is a disaster. While US folks have some good prices at MSRP us EU folks get jack shit. We can't even pre-order any Vega here, and the stuff that is available is overpriced as fuck. Seriously. Regular Vega 64 for €1199. Get out. 

[IrshaadH]

I wish AMD and Nvidia would battle it out like they did with the HD 7900 series and GTX 670/680

[Shreyas1]

nvidia plz make the 1070 and 1080 3x faster

[dorin]

@The Benjamins Yeah, maybe you are right. Vega architecture is cumpute-centric more than game-centric. I hope those teraflops are real and can hammer the compute tasks, renderings with ease. That interests me more than gaming.

[Morgan Everett]

After all the hubbub and excitement, Vega effectively ends up in a performance stalemate with the 1070 and 1080, for about the same price (though more here in Britain, as things stand), with significantly higher power draw. And the GPU's it's competing with were released over a year ago. Still, it's nice to have some competition, if nothing else. 

[captain cactus]

2 minutes ago, dorin said:

@The Benjamins Yeah, maybe you are right. Vega architecture is cumpute-centric more than game-centric. I hope those teraflops are real and can hammer the compute tasks, renderings with ease. That interests me more than gaming.

Vega 56 is already beating a 1080Ti in Blender rendering, so there's that. 

[captain cactus]

Just now, Morgan Everett said:

After all the hubbub and excitement, Vega effectively ends up in a performance stalemate with the 1070 and 1080, for about the same price (though more here in Britain, as things stand), with significantly higher power draw. And the GPU's it's competing with were released over a year ago. Still, it's nice to have some competition, if nothing else. 

May I add that it's doing so with most of its new features still disabled by drivers (rasterizer, HBCC, primitive shaders)? Sure, it's still a half-arsed rushed launch but if it's already on-par or beating the green team I think it's save to say FineWine will start doing its thing in a month or 2-3. 

[dorin]

@lots of unexplainable lag That looks very promising. Where did you found that benchmark? 

[Morgan Everett]

1 minute ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

May I add that it's doing so with most of its new features still disabled by drivers (rasterizer, HBCC, primitive shaders)? Sure, it's still a half-arsed rushed launch but if it's already on-par or beating the green team I think it's save to say FineWine will start doing its thing in a month or 2-3. 

Yeah, things will get a little better. But nothing's going to fundamentally change, and Nvidia will be along with something new soon enough (Pascal being, as I say, over a year old at this point). 

[captain cactus]

13 minutes ago, dorin said:

@lots of unexplainable lag That looks very promising. Where did you found that benchmark? 

Reddit, don't know where he found it though. 

[Guest]

Surprised that no one is mentioning undervolting + HBM2 OC

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3020-amd-rx-vega-56-review-undervoltage-hbm-vs-core