RYZEN 3 NDA LIFTED

[PCGuy_5960]

It's going to be interesting to see how Coffeelake i3s compare to Ryzen 3

[You_are_a_cunt]

8 minutes ago, Billy_Mays said:

Yep and A320 exists for super budget users

A320 doesn't let you overclock afaik. It's mostly intended for the upcoming APUs, imo

[Fonzie92]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

You bought used, buddy. We’re comparing the new Ryzen lineup to Intel’s current offerings. In the used market, AMD doesn’t have any CPUs that can beat Intel’s since they had FX and Athlon and other mediocre CPUs. That’s why Ryzen is such big news, since they’re forcing Intel to be competitive again. And competition is always good for the consumer, 

And none of their R3s even beat the i3 7350k, lol. Check Gamer's Nexus` new video. The entire R3 lineup is unfortunately a still birth. See my previous post too

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Fonzie92 said:

Not only cheaper, but performs far better than a current gen R3. (See Gamer's Nexus video right now). R3 is a flop.

 

The i3 7350k performs far better than gaming and Intel recently lowered its price. And the g4560 is like 54-60$ and performs similarly to the R3s.  Intel should release a g4560 unlocked variant to put the R3s at peace. The entire lineup is useless.

 

Only good thing to come out of AMD recently is the R5 1600. Which is a monster.

Bruh, stop quoting used prices. And G4560s are hard to find, and more expensive if you pair them with a Z270 mobo so you can upgrade to a more expensive unlocked CPU down the line. With Ryzen, you just pick up any CPU and B350 mobo, and overclock away. 

[Taswell]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

You know that i3s use the same socket as i7's and i5s, right?

the point was amd user haven't had an upgrade path in forever 

[YedZed]

11 minutes ago, Billy_Mays said:

Yep and A320 exists for super budget users

OEMs probably will use those.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Fonzie92 said:

And none of their R3s even beat the i3 7350k, lol. Check Gamer's Nexus` new video. The entire R3 lineup is unfortunately a still birth. See my previous post too

You’re being a fanboy. Nothing wrong with that, but you need to stop saying the same thing over and over. Intel makes killer CPUs, but they’re being beat in price-to-performance by Ryzen right now. And how much is a 7350K + Z270 mobo + 16GB or DDR4, vs a similar Ryzen combo. B350 mobos are waaaaay cheaper than Z270 ones, and the entire Ryzen lineup can overclock. 

[alexyy]

Just now, Fonzie92 said:

Not only cheaper, but performs far better than a current gen R3. (See Gamer's Nexus video right now). R3 is a flop.

 

The i3 7350k performs far better than gaming and Intel recently lowered its price. And the g4560 is like 54-60$ and performs similarly to the R3s.  Intel should release a g4560 unlocked variant to put the R3s at peace. The entire lineup is useless.

 

Only good thing to come out of AMD recently is the R5 1600. Which is a monster.

 

The 7350k costs more, requires z chipset, still a dual core.

Intel won't unlock the G4560 or make an unlockable version, they already lowered production because it beats the i3 line out in sales.

 

It's also not just about gaming where R3 line up beats the i3 lines easily in multicore performance which actually matters. 

[Fonzie92]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Bruh, stop quoting used prices. And G4560s are hard to find, and more expensive if you pair them with a Z270 mobo so you can upgrade to a more expensive unlocked CPU down the line. With Ryzen, you just pick up any CPU and B350 mobo, and overclock away. 

Or, just buy a used i7 2600k for $100 off ebay and do the same thing, and get much more value out of your money.

 

I can quote whatever I want.  Intel lowered its 7350k because they knew R3 was coming up. 7350k is still ahead price:perf now. Also, just because the availability of a g4560 is low, doesn't mean my point isn't valid. And you don't even need a z270 mobo for the g4560 anyway. Also the g4620 and 4600 can compete too. At a much lower price than R3s

 

 

[Guest]

If you look at the prices between the pentium G4560 and the core i3-7350k, it looks like ryzen 3 is priced in between those 2 CPU's.

[PCGuy_5960]

Why are we even talking about the 7350K? Lol, that CPU costs as much as Ryzen 5s/i5s which perform much better. 

[porina]

Haven't had a chance to analyse in detail yet, but skimming through PCPer's written review I was hoping they'd do better (at stock). It didn't seem to pull away from Intel 2c4t as much as I thought it would, but that might be due to clock differences. Of course, if you OC, that will help a lot.

[Fonzie92]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Why are we even talking about the 7350K? Lol, that CPU costs as much as Ryzen 5s/i5s which perform much better. 

Because Gamer's Nexus foamed about it at the mouth during his new R3 video. He apparently said Intel lowered its price

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

It's going to be interesting to see how Coffeelake i3s compare to Ryzen 3

Well since te coffelake CPU's are going to have higher clockspeeds and more cores, it would be interesting to see how R3 stacks up in the benchmarks.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Fonzie92 said:

Or, just buy a used i7 2600k for $100 off ebay and do the same thing, and get much more value out of your money.

 

I can quote whatever I want.  Intel lowered its 7350k because they knew R3 was coming up. 7350k is still ahead price:perf now. Also, just because the availability of a g4560 is low, doesn't mean my point isn't valid. And you don't even need a z270 mobo for the g4560 anyway. Also the g4620 and 4600 can compete too. At a much lower price than R3s

 

 

To have an upgrade path like Ryzen on Intel, you need a Z270 board so you can OC. And I know you can quote anything you want, but the i7 you’re quoting is outdated and uses DDR3 RAM, AFAIK. I’ve got an LGA1155 rig now, with an i5 2400. It’s great, but I’m eyeing Ryzen for my next build because it’s much cheaper buying new, not used. The AM4 platform also has been promised a lot longer if a support lifetime than Intel’s platfroms, so it’s (dare I say it) more futureproof. Have the same mobo, just upgrade CPU and GPU every couple years. Like I said before, Intel beats AMD in the used market, because AMD never had a competitive CPU performance wise. And like others have said, you beloved i3 is a dual core, when the least you can get on Ryzen is 4 physical cores. 

[AvocadosGuac]

22 minutes ago, Fonzie92 said:

Haha. i7 2600k still far better and cheaper. Hilarious. AMD is a mess.

 

Intel should release the g4560 unlocked variant to put these silly R3s out of their misery 

What r u on about lmao

[Fonzie92]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

To have an upgrade path like Ryzen on Intel, you need a Z270 board so you can OC. And I know you can quote anything you want, but the i7 you’re quoting is outdated and uses DDR3 RAM, AFAIK. I’ve got an LGA1155 rig now, with an i5 2400. It’s great, but I’m eyeing Ryzen for my next build because it’s much cheaper buying new, not used. The AM4 platform also has been promised a lot longer if a support lifetime than Intel’s platfroms, so it’s (dare I say it) more futureproof. Have the same mobo, just upgrade CPU and GPU every couple years. Like I said before, Intel beats AMD in the used market, because AMD never had a competitive CPU performance wise. And like others have said, you beloved i3 is a dual core, when the least you can get on Ryzen is 4 physical cores. 

Yes, but that 7350k has HT remember.

 

I understand where you are coming from, from the upgrade path. And yeah, used is not a fair comparison but honestly I cannot see buying a R3 if I knew down deep in my heart, I could just get a i7 2600/k off ebay for around the same price and get FAR more value for money. I'm a frugal kind of person, but that's my view of it.

 

Now, objectively here in the benchmarks form GN's new video. R3 should be priced the same as the g4560 if you wanna know the truth. It's not looking good.

 

Example:

 

 

Look at the g4560 stock. 59$ compared to the 1300X which is 130$ That's $71 dollars more, for what, 5-7 more fps?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

To have an upgrade path like Ryzen on Intel, you need a Z270 board so you can OC. And I know you can quote anything you want, but the i7 you’re quoting is outdated and uses DDR3 RAM, AFAIK. I’ve got an LGA1155 rig now, with an i5 2400. It’s great, but I’m eyeing Ryzen for my next build because it’s much cheaper buying new, not used. The AM4 platform also has been promised a lot longer if a support lifetime than Intel’s platfroms, so it’s (dare I say it) more futureproof. Have the same mobo, just upgrade CPU and GPU every couple years. Like I said before, Intel beats AMD in the used market, because AMD never had a competitive CPU performance wise. And like others have said, you beloved i3 is a dual core, when the least you can get on Ryzen is 4 physical cores. 

True, there are lots of different cheap AM4 motherboards currently priced in the mid 50's to $60 in which do provide some additional features for expandability in the future. And suprisingly enough, ryzen 3 just happens to be compatable with AM4 motherboards, bundle them together, and your paying a decent price altogether.

[Fonzie92]

6 minutes ago, Jrock said:

What r u on about lmao

I'm breaking the conditioning of this false hype around R3. #G4560LivesMatter

[Ganz]

5 minutes ago, Fonzie92 said:

I'm breaking the conditioning of this false hype around R3. #G4560LivesMatter

There's something you are missing.  And that is 75+% aren't going to spend the time to look for used hardware, and aren't going to spend the time to try and find and or snipe a g4560.  That leaves the R3 in a great spot, not a "it's a flop."

[Arc_Jester]

29 minutes ago, Fonzie92 said:

I'm breaking the conditioning of this false hype around R3. #G4560LivesMatter

R3 delivers i5 level performance when OC'ed with just the stock cooler.

 

 

P.S. I'd like to know where you're going to find a G4560 for less than $80.

[Fonzie92]

4 minutes ago, Ganz said:

There's something you are missing.  And that is 75+% aren't going to spend the time to look for used hardware, and aren't going to spend the time to try and find and or snipe a g4560.  That leaves the R3 in a great spot, not a "it's a flop."

Took me less than 2 hours to find me a i7 2600/k and 1155 mobo off ebay thank you very much.

 

R3 is not in a great spot when a g4560 which costs more than 2x less money than a 1300x & competes with it. Nice try though 

[Zando_]

25 minutes ago, Fonzie92 said:

Yes, but that 7350k has HT remember.

 

I understand where you are coming from, from the upgrade path. And yeah, used is not a fair comparison but honestly I cannot see buying a R3 if I knew down deep in my heart, I could just get a i7 2600/k off ebay for around the same price and get FAR more value for money. I'm a frugal kind of person, but that's my view of it.

 

Now, objectively here in the benchmarks form GN's new video. R3 should be priced the same as the g4560 if you wanna know the truth. It's not looking good.

 

Example:

-snip-

Look at the g4560 stock. 59$ compared to the 1300X which is 130$ That's $71 dollars more, for what, 5-7 more fps?

Stock though, the Ryzen 3s beat or match the i3 7350K, and can OC on a much cheaper mobo. 

[Ganz]

Just now, Fonzie92 said:

Took me less than 2 hours to find me a i7 2600/k and 1155 mobo off ebay thank you very much.

 

R3 is not in a great spot when a g4560 which costs more than 2x less money than a 1300x & competes with it. Nice try though 

Congrats, YOU found one.  But most when looking for upgrades won't even look.  Stop talking in circles. I said majority of users won't look at used, so why does it matter if you found one or not, no matter how easy.

 

I too can show a benchmark:

 

There's a couple things to note, the G4560 costs in the neighborhood of $80 at the moment.  That makes the R3 1200 cost about 35% more.  If we look at the two benchmarks the R3 has pretty much 35% on the numbers of this benchmark.  

 

Yes, the G4560 is an amazing CPU for what it costs, but the R3 competes with Intel's new offerings at that price point which is more than what they've done in the past few years which is why this is so significant.  

[jeffery7466]

21 minutes ago, Fonzie92 said:

I'm breaking the conditioning of this false hype around R3. #G4560LivesMatter

Over-hyped? Possibly.

Flop? I wouldn't go that far. Physical cores is better than threads in this case. And upgradability is strong for AM4 combos. Even you agreed with that.

And yea current games love core performance, so Intel wins there. Though that cannot be said for the future.

 

And nice find for the i7 2600/k and 1155 mobo.