Haswell i3 + 1070 = heavy bottleneck?

[ChuckMaurice]

I want to upgrade my current GPU (GTX 670, specs in signature). I originally planned to go for either a GTX 1060 or a RX480 but I found an almost new GTX 1070 for ~350€. In France it's quite a steal but I didn't planned to upgrade anything other than GPU, as I want to wait for 10nm CPUs and possibly DDR5 RAM to do a full upgrade.

 

Will bottleneck be very high with this GPU and my i3-4310? I play in 1440p, games like Overwatch, The Witcher 3, Battefield series, The Division... mostly FPS and RPG

[DocSwag]

It should be fine except for very CPU demanding games.

[Herman Mcpootis]

there's gonna be a big bottleneck, but you can always just deal with it for the time being and upgrade it to an i5/7/xeon when you get the money.

[TVwazhere]

7 minutes ago, jldjul said:

I want to upgrade my current GPU (GTX 670, specs in signature). I originally planned to go for either a GTX 1060 or a RX480 but I found an almost new GTX 1070 for ~350€. In France it's quite a steal but I didn't planned to upgrade anything other than GPU, as I want to wait for 10nm CPUs and possibly DDR5 RAM to do a full upgrade.

 

Will bottleneck be very high with this GPU and my i3-4310? I play in 1440p, games like Overwatch, The Witcher 3, Battefield series, The Division... mostly FPS and RPG

In the Witcher 3 and Battlefield you'll see a bottleneck for sure. Also in games like GTAv and hitman. Overwatch not as much. Not sure about The Division.

[RuLeZ]

Its gonna be a really big botteneck, almost in every game will botteneck, some will perform even worse than a GTX 1060 with a i5.

PS: DDR5 will probably just be available to normal consumers in 2020.

[Guest]

Here see for yourself, Techspot did benchmarks of some games paired with GTX 1080 and G4560 which is similar to an i3 haswell http://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html

[Princess Luna]

It will be fine for the most since 1440p part but you'll hardly ever max out your GPU especially in the titles stated above which are very CPU demanding

[RuLeZ]

1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Here see for yourself, Techspot did benchmarks of some games paired with GTX 1080 and G4560 which is similar to an i3 haswell http://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html

Still the i3 should be considerable slower, its 2 generation older and it has 100mhz less.

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Here see for yourself, Techspot did benchmarks of some games paired with GTX 1080 and G4560 which is similar to an i3 haswell http://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html

Also good to have a general idea ^

[ChuckMaurice]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

It will be fine for the most since 1440p part but you'll hardly ever max out your GPU especially in the titles stated above which are very CPU demanding

So 1440p uses less CPU than 1080p? How so?

[RuLeZ]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Also good to have a general idea ^

You cant compare 1:1 a Kaby Lake 3,5Ghz to a Haswell 3,4Ghz, the difference may be small, but 40 fps to 33 fps is a big deal.

[RuLeZ]

1 minute ago, jldjul said:

So 1440p uses less CPU than 1080p? How so?

It doesnt, it uses more, but 1440p uses way more GPU than 1080p.

[Tiwaz]

19 minutes ago, jldjul said:

I want to upgrade my current GPU (GTX 670, specs in signature). I originally planned to go for either a GTX 1060 or a RX480 but I found an almost new GTX 1070 for ~350€. In France it's quite a steal but I didn't planned to upgrade anything other than GPU, as I want to wait for 10nm CPUs and possibly DDR5 RAM to do a full upgrade.

 

Will bottleneck be very high with this GPU and my i3-4310? I play in 1440p, games like Overwatch, The Witcher 3, Battefield series, The Division... mostly FPS and RPG

in your signature it says u also have a i5 4690k, why not just put the new card in there and play on that rig?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, RuLeZ said:

You cant compare 1:1 a Kaby Lake 3,5Ghz to a Haswell 3,4Ghz, the difference may be small, but 40 fps to 33 fps is a big deal.

No no no  you don't compare clock speed that's not how you compare stuff

[ChuckMaurice]

Just now, Tiwaz said:

in your signature it says u also have a i5 4690k, why not just put the new card in there and play on that rig?

Excellent point, but I can't. I actually used the i5 before but kinda "sold" it as the server build mentioned is shared with some friends. As I was away for half a year I figured out I wouldn't have time for gaming so I gave the i5 away as a participation to the costs of the build (along other things). I then got an i3 for cheap to keep the computer usable. Getting the i5 back would mean I would have to pay for another CPU for the server.

[RuLeZ]

Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

No no no  you don't compare clock speed that's not how you compare stuff

Thats what I am saying... you cant just pick a Haswell 3,4 Ghz and says that it performs the same as a 3,5Ghz Kaby Lake.

[Dabombinable]

19 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

It should be fine except for very CPU demanding games.

 

12 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Here see for yourself, Techspot did benchmarks of some games paired with GTX 1080 and G4560 which is similar to an i3 haswell http://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1325-intel-pentium-g4560/page4.html

 

11 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It will be fine for the most since 1440p part but you'll hardly ever max out your GPU especially in the titles stated above which are very CPU demanding

Its an i3 4130, and it gets beaten in all games by my i5 4440 which is set to run all 4 cores at 3.3GHz at full load (even in Prime95-god I love my H87M Pro). And my i5 4440 in games such as Fallout 4 without mods was bottlenecking my GTX 970. Since a GTX 1070 is around twice as powerful as my GTX 970, the bottleneck will be huge.

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

 

 

Its an i4 4130, and it gets beaten in all games by my i5 4440 which is set to run all 4 cores at 3.3GHz at full load (even in Prime95-god I love my H87M Pro). And my i5 4440 in games such as Fallout 4 without mods was bottlenecking my GTX 970. Since a GTX 1070 is around twice as powerful as my GTX 970, the bottleneck will be huge.

But what resolution?

 

And it's not 2x, more like 60-70% faster 

[ChuckMaurice]

15 minutes ago, RuLeZ said:

PS: DDR5 will probably just be available to normal consumers in 2020.

Damn, I wanted to wait 2018 for 10nm CPUs and new gen RAM. What other milestones would be worth waiting for? PCIE 4?

[RuLeZ]

Just now, jldjul said:

Damn, I wanted to wait 2018 for 10nm CPUs and new gen RAM. What other milestones would be worth waiting for? PCIE 4?

PCIE  4 is maybe worth waiting, since PCIE 4 graphics cards will not be compatible with PCIe 3 motherboards, and will probably be available next year.

But if I needed a PC right now, I would upgrade to a Ryzen R5 1600, for me is not worth the waiting.

[Dabombinable]

5 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

But what resolution?

 

And it's not 2x, more like 60-70% faster 

1080p, and it will be the same at 1440p with the i3 4130 since it is that weak a CPU. As it is even Ryzen 7 can bottleneck a GTX 1070 at 1440p.

Edit: Look at the GTX 970's SLI results-it can get very close to the performance of a 980ti.

[Dabombinable]

2 minutes ago, jldjul said:

Excellent point, but I can't. I actually used the i5 before but kinda "sold" it as the server build mentioned is shared with some friends. As I was away for half a year I figured out I wouldn't have time for gaming so I gave the i5 away as a participation to the costs of the build (along other things). I then got an i3 for cheap to keep the computer usable. Getting the i5 back would mean I would have to pay for another CPU for the server.

This is were I recommend getting a second hand i7 4790K, and either getting a GTX 1060 6GB (RX 580 8GB if you can find one-damn crypto coin miners) or leave off the GPU upgrade (withstand the iGPU for a while) until you have the funds for a GTX 1070.

[ChuckMaurice]

1 minute ago, RuLeZ said:

PCIE  4 is maybe worth waiting, since PCIE 4 graphics cards will not be compatible with PCIe 3 motherboards, and will probably be available next year.

But if I needed a PC right now, I would upgrade to a Ryzen R5 1600, for me is not worth the waiting.

I mean, I have a computer that's working well, but I have to do a lot of compromises: lot of noise/heat while gaming, and I have to do content creation on my laptop (Dell XPS though, pretty great)

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

1080p, and it will be the same at 1440p with the i3 4130 since it is that weak a CPU. As it is even Ryzen 7 can bottleneck a GTX 1070 at 1440p.

Edit: Look at the GTX 970's SLI results-it can get very close to the performance of a 980ti.

1440p pushes the bottleneck off the CPU a bit.

 

Source for Ryzen bottlenecking 1070 at 1440p?

[ChuckMaurice]

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

This is were I recommend getting a second hand i7 4790K, and either getting a GTX 1060 6GB (RX 580 8GB if you can find one-damn crypto coin miners) or leave off the GPU upgrade (withstand the iGPU for a while) until you have the funds for a GTX 1070.

This was my original plan but a few people told me that Ryzen was a much more interesting alternative since the Haswell is getting old, I still have DDR3 RAM and such...

However Ryzen doesn't seems mature at this point, so waiting seemed more interesting to me.