The AMD hype train

[manikyath]

Just now, Prysin said:

yes, they reliably fail.

anyway, back on topic. ZEN and VEGA isnt going to be "magical" and people should start realizing this before their dreams are crushed.

 

Also, as a sidenote. If you have a negative look on things, you can only be positively surprised.

i've never had intel HD fail on me tbh... i'd dare say even less issues than nvidia, aside from intel hiding their drivers in an indiana jones maze where every wrong corner goes back to the homepage.

 

no one i've seen has mentioned it'd be magical, there's no dreams to be crushed, ZEN to me has proven to be one of the most down to earth realist view hype trains in a decent while.

 

as a sidenote, one person can only handle so many salt before they dehydrate and die. if you're gonna pull the be negative to be positively surprised card, being salty isnt the way to do it. be negative about it in your dark little corner, and let the realists have their talks about it on the respective news and discution threads.

[Lord Nicoll]

57 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Can you people just calm yer damn tits? shits getting way outta hand around here and all you are going to achieve is disappointing the shit out of the product by overestimating it grossly. Same applies to VEGA.

 

ZEN is a stepping stone. It is not a instant competitor. It is a "NOS" injection to catch up, they still doesn't have the horsepower to WIN.  ZEN+ is the real "competitor" to Intel. understand that.

Realistically this is AMD's catch up, I assume they're going for within 20% performance for 80% of the price. Given that the older FX CPU's still work okish, I'd imagine Zen to be fairly well received, but you're right, it's not an Intel killer per say, it's price/performance might make it a competitive alternative for budget builders (what seems to be AMD's core market) but Zen+ will probably be AMD's attempt to overthrow Intel. In order to beat someone you have to catch up first. 

[Prysin]

2 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i've never had intel HD fail on me tbh... i'd dare say even less issues than nvidia, aside from intel hiding their drivers in an indiana jones maze where every wrong corner goes back to the homepage.

 

no one i've seen has mentioned it'd be magical, there's no dreams to be crushed, ZEN to me has proven to be one of the most down to earth realist view hype trains in a decent while.

 

as a sidenote, one person can only handle so many salt before they dehydrate and die. if you're gonna pull the be negative to be positively surprised card, being salty isnt the way to do it. be negative about it in your dark little corner, and let the realists have their talks about it on the respective news and discution threads.

you're not a realist, nor are the rest of the people riding that hype train.

That hype train is just that, HYPE. Yes predictions say it could be faster then Haswell (in theory it could match skylake) but anyone who knows anything about AMD knows that this isnt the case. Sure it will match Haswell performance. Great!!... then again, pricing? Pricing isnt going to be "cheap". They will have a relatively competitive and modern product, so they will clearly price it thereafter.

 

AMD i5? That isnt going to be sub 200 dollars unless they HAVE to. Which they might, as Kaby Lake should see intel increase its lead AND its clocks (if the leaked clocks and IPC improvements of the next i5 is true, then AMD is going to have a hard time just matching it with ZEN).

 

People are thinking ZEN will be amazing, yet you forget the most crucial part. We know its a SoC, meaning SB and NB is on chip. Meaning more heat, worse overclocking headroom, more concenctrated heat due to 14nm and last but not least, a socket and board design that nobody has seen a single fucking glimpse of yet (actual boards, not the ES boards used for showcasing)

 

You talk about salt, yet you clearly have no idea what salt means. I am far from salty, there is nothing about the hype train that causes envy, hatred or "fanboy" feelings for me. I feel nothing. However i also do not want people to grow their expectations disproportionally to the product at hand, because this only leads to disappointment. Disappointment leads to actual salt, and if ZEN is any good at all, these salty individuals will make it nigh impossible to suggest a ZEN build to anyone without the thread drowning in "buy Intel i5 cuz reasons"....

 

ZEN doesnt need such a stigma, it just needs to sell, and whilst the hype train helps build expectations, it does NOT guarantee sales. Benchmarks however, DOES.

 

If anything, i think the salty one is you. Salty because i am here ruining peoples dreams before they even started. Salty because you bought into a Intel platform that did not live up to expectations. But really, what DID you expect? you bought a "K" sku. It isnt meant for 24/7 server loads, nor is the motherboards you put a "K" sku in. They are made for consumer workloads, expectations should be set accordingly.

 

[manikyath]

21 minutes ago, Prysin said:

you're not a realist, nor are the rest of the people riding that hype train.

That hype train is just that, HYPE. Yes predictions say it could be faster then Haswell (in theory it could match skylake) but anyone who knows anything about AMD knows that this isnt the case. Sure it will match Haswell performance. Great!!... then again, pricing? Pricing isnt going to be "cheap". They will have a relatively competitive and modern product, so they will clearly price it thereafter.

 

AMD i5? That isnt going to be sub 200 dollars unless they HAVE to. Which they might, as Kaby Lake should see intel increase its lead AND its clocks (if the leaked clocks and IPC improvements of the next i5 is true, then AMD is going to have a hard time just matching it with ZEN).

 

People are thinking ZEN will be amazing, yet you forget the most crucial part. We know its a SoC, meaning SB and NB is on chip. Meaning more heat, worse overclocking headroom, more concenctrated heat due to 14nm and last but not least, a socket and board design that nobody has seen a single fucking glimpse of yet (actual boards, not the ES boards used for showcasing)

 

You talk about salt, yet you clearly have no idea what salt means. I am far from salty, there is nothing about the hype train that causes envy, hatred or "fanboy" feelings for me. I feel nothing. However i also do not want people to grow their expectations disproportionally to the product at hand, because this only leads to disappointment. Disappointment leads to actual salt, and if ZEN is any good at all, these salty individuals will make it nigh impossible to suggest a ZEN build to anyone without the thread drowning in "buy Intel i5 cuz reasons"....

 

ZEN doesnt need such a stigma, it just needs to sell, and whilst the hype train helps build expectations, it does NOT guarantee sales. Benchmarks however, DOES.

 

If anything, i think the salty one is you. Salty because i am here ruining peoples dreams before they even started. Salty because you bought into a Intel platform that did not live up to expectations. But really, what DID you expect? you bought a "K" sku. It isnt meant for 24/7 server loads, nor is the motherboards you put a "K" sku in. They are made for consumer workloads, expectations should be set accordingly.

 

lets dissect this...

"Great!!... then again, pricing? Pricing isnt going to be "cheap". "

havent seen anyone expect zen to be bottom of the barrel cheap, i'd be happy it was, but i honestly expect an AMD quad core to be around the price of an intel quad core when zen rolls out.

"worse overclocking headroom"

compared to my locked intel i7 in my server? not everyone does the overclocking thing, you know?

"You talk about salt, yet you clearly have no idea what salt means."

i havent seen anyone get so fed up about a hype train as you are now, that is the very definion of satly. maybe you're just trying to defend your purchase of an i7 and a stupidly expensive motherboard, maybe you just really havent seen a hype train get off track so you interpret the hype around zen wrongly.

"ZEN doesnt need such a stigma, it just needs to sell, and whilst the hype train helps build expectations, it does NOT guarantee sales. Benchmarks however, DOES."

which stigma? we dont have benchmarks yet, so all we can do is guess how it'll perform compared to current to market products based on AMD's claims. and that's how forums work, forums are a platform of debate and comparison, unlike reddit we usually manage to do sensible things before shouting loud and high that this must be the greatest thing ever, or that it'll be doomed to fail like you seem to be doing now.

" i am here ruining peoples dreams"

the only one here with a dream about zen is you. get lost.

"Salty because you bought into a Intel platform that did not live up to expectations. But really, what DID you expect? you bought a "K" sku. It isnt meant for 24/7 server loads, nor is the motherboards you put a "K" sku in."

 

my server is an i7 4770 (non-k), and in fact the only thing not falling apart is the processor and the motherboard.

i got the box that is now my server as a "stepping stone" when my HD5770 died and i decided that an i3 560 with 4GB ram was a throwaway of a main rig as well, so i went for a cheapskate stepping stone which has since been replaced by the rig on my profile, where you blatantly started to rant about the K sku (which in fact, isnt overclocked because i dont care, i got the K sku to piss off a friend ) 

 

the system that is currently my server was never meant to be ran like this, but it honestly runs like a dream compared to how i expected it to last, but when you cheap out on hardware, no matter what it's designed for, it's not a long term solution. after it was my stepping stone main rig, it became my stepping stone server, but it's just not as maintenance friendly as i'd want it to be now i work full-time in a datacenter, where swapping out pretty much anything but the network cards, cpu, or ram doesnt require the machine powering down, or even stopping it from doing it's work.

 

since my server isnt in an airconditioned, filtered room, dust is an issue, and i prefer not to do full disassembly to my server to de-dustify it, lack of actual hard drive bays and less than desirable fans (that dont even have mounting locations) are slight issues as well.

[ScratchCat]

All we need is ZEN and VEGA to be half decent so there is a reason to buy them.

If AMD can ship a boat load to make profit for R&D....

[minibois]

The hype train only has one stop; disappointment town.

 

Stop hyping up shit.

[manikyath]

29 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

All we need is ZEN and VEGA to be half decent so there is a reason to buy them.

If AMD can ship a boat load to make profit for R&D....

thats kind of the deal OP isnt getting.

 

we're not hyped about ZEN being the new jesus, we're hyped about ZEN putting amd back on the cpu market.

[i_build_nanosuits]

 

[Prysin]

7 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

 

that chart needs editing.

 

its Moar cores more clocks. The Z axis is TDP

[TetraSky]

Wait, who exactly is getting hyped for Zen? Other than in the Tech News, I'm not really seeing topics about it. (To be fair, I'm also not actively looking for them)

 

Though quite frankly, I'm not expecting anything out of Zen. Bulldozer was a massive disappointment and look at how much it was hyped... Wait for real benchmarks to be released, none of that pre-release manufacturer propaganda. 

[Dabombinable]

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I heard a rumor that AMD will literally cure cancer if you buy a system with Zen and Vega inside it, as well as make 10 negative posts about Nvidia and Intel.

But this laptops trinity APU is soldered on though, so Zen can't cure it

[Bhav]

Yawn AMD.

 

I had loads of AMD CPUs up until the Athlon 4400, and then they just sucked forever and until the end of time.

[CtrlAltELITE]

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[Bhav]

Cant wait until AMD makes a 24 core CPU that performs worse than an I3.

[Godiwa]

I must admit I look forward to ZEN, but I hold my judgement til I see it tested for real.

We shall see... Even if it is slightly lower performance then it can be very interesting IF the price is right. AMD is usually known for good prices, where INTEL has kept quite high prices for a while + they have sorta stalled in performance (minor improvements)

[Fetzie]

On 26/08/2016 at 6:07 PM, SherifsDog22 said:

AHA I GET THE PUN BECAUSE AMD COOLERS ARE LOUD!.... right?

At least AMD still gives you one Intel charge another 25 bucks for their cooler (which performs worse than AMD's wraith cooler to boot).

[Prysin]

52 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

At least AMD still gives you one Intel charge another 25 bucks for their cooler (which performs worse than AMD's wraith cooler to boot).

it performs worse then almost ALL of AMDs stock solution, bar the old FM2+ ones.

[Fetzie]

4 minutes ago, Prysin said:

it performs worse then almost ALL of AMDs stock solution, bar the old FM2+ ones.

I haven't used an AMD stock cooler for over a decade, so I just went with the one I knew was definitely better

[PlayStation 2]

idk why people are thinking zen's gonna be the intel killer

personally I just wanna see how amd pans it out

[Swndlr]

On 8/26/2016 at 4:32 PM, i_build_nanosuits said:

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I speak the on the level of language in which this image presents. Wish school was this simple, Id ace it.

[PlayStation 2]

On 8/26/2016 at 2:52 PM, Minibois said:

The hype train only has one stop; disappointment town.

 

Stop hyping up shit.

no man's sky

the whole r9 fury line

meet your match update

overwatch

 

just listing things that help your argument lol