Did I make a mistake in putting in a 980 Ti for my client?

[ybriK]

They wanted this system to last at least 5 years being able to play at high-max settings 1080p. They don't plan to ever upgrade the monitor at all. Considering the facts that majority of DX12 test shows huge gains for AMD, was it a wrong choice for putting in an Nvidia card for my client? Because what made me chose the 980 Ti was the guaranteed better performance than the Fury X at DX11. I was still hesitant at DX12 results as we're still in the starting ground for DX12 era...

 

Or did I just make a huge mistake and fucked them up for the upcoming future...

 

I still have the option to swap the card for a Fury X.

[Tieox]

I think a 980ti if the rest of the components are similar in quality will suit them just fine.  Especially at 1080p

 

 

[Morgan MLGman]

Why not a 1070?

[Notree]

Swap for 1070/1080 or just keep 980ti. The fury x isnt worth the price they want right now..

[Duskie]

Well, considering if you look at the 780Ti vs 290X nowadays, I would've definitely gone with a 390X. (can't go wrong with 8gb vram if you're talking about future gaming)

[don_svetlio]

5 years time? Yep, you fucked up. 980 Ti is better now but it certainly isn't under DX12/Vulkan and in 2-3 years most games will be DX12. 1070/Fury X are better for DX12

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

Even when games use Async the 980ti will be very close to the Fury X. The only mistake you made was if you paid more than $400 for it to put in the system.

[ybriK]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Why not a 1070?

Going a bit over their budget. They had a set budget placed and told me they can't go further beyond.

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

Even when games use Async the 980ti will be very close to the Fury X. The only mistake you made was if you paid more than $400 for it to put in the system.

Not really. Check DOOM - Fury X has a massive 35% gain whereas the 980 Ti has 1% gain. It gets absolutely demolished

[Tieox]

Also, their needs may change in the next few years.  If I had a tenner for each client who claim to have very limited requirements, who then in a years time has evolved their requirements for 4k video editing, or VR capable machines, I would be a very rich man.

 

 

[don_svetlio]

Vulkan performance

 

[Sauron]

The wrong choice was buying a 650$ card for 1080p instead of buying something that makes sense and upgrading down the line. It takes 5 minutes to change a graphics card.

[Delicieuxz]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Not really. Check DOOM - Fury X has a massive 35% gain whereas the 980 Ti has 1% gain. It gets absolutely demolished

Doesn't the 1070 also currently get like no or negative performance increase in DOOM? I think I read that id hasn't implemented Vulkan support for Nvidia yet, and that because their version of those features is driver-driven, that it's a different process. But that id are working to get Nvidia's approach to it implemented.

[LeapFrogMasterRace]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Not really. Check DOOM - Fury X has a massive 35% gain whereas the 980 Ti has 1% gain. It gets absolutely demolished

Yeah by like 10fps not what I consider demolished. 

[don_svetlio]

1 minute ago, Delicieuxz said:

Doesn't the 1070 also currently get like no or negative performance increase in DOOM? I think I read that id hasn't implemented Vulkan support for Nvidia yet, and that because their version of those features is driver-driven, that it's a different process. But that id are working to get Nvidia's approach to it implemented.

980 Ti does not support any form of A-sync so drivers are useless. At most we've seen a 1% increase in Maxwell whereas Pascal gets a steady 10-15% increase under DX12.

 

1 minute ago, LeapFrogMasterRace said:

Yeah by like 10fps not what I consider demolished. 

Fury X is usually 20fps behind in DX11 - that's a massive jump friend. And it will only get larger as Nvidia abandon Maxwell in favor of Pascal/Volta

[valhalen]

For 1080p gaming I wouldn't worry at all, you gave them what they requested and more to be honest.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, valhalen said:

For 1080p gaming I wouldn't worry at all, you gave them what they requested and more to be honest.

Ther eis no way in hell a 980 Ti will last for 1080p max settings for 5 years. The 680 came out 5 years ago and at best it can do medium-high today. Nowhere near max and nowhere near stable 60fps

[valhalen]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Ther eis no way in hell a 980 Ti will last for 1080p max settings for 5 years. The 680 came out 5 years ago and at best it can do medium-high today. Nowhere near max and nowhere near stable 60fps

You might be right there but the card is still capable of delivering some satisfying gameplay.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, valhalen said:

You might be right there but the card is still capable of delivering some satisfying gameplay.

Now - yes. In 5 years - I doubt it. Keep in mind - we are getting Volta and Navi next year and those are looking very promising. I doubt the 980 Ti will be able to keep up with a 580/1160

[Jon Jon]

I never recommend going with a last generation GPU, but I can see why you did.

 

However, you can't expect 5 year performance "on a budget".

 

If you want zero need to upgrade for a 5 year span, you need to go high end all the way.

 

The only card on the market right now that I can see delivering great performance at 1080P 5 years from now is the 1080.

[valhalen]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

Now - yes. In 5 years - I doubt it. Keep in mind - we are getting Volta and Navi next year and those are looking very promising. I doubt the 980 Ti will be able to keep up with a 580/1160

Oh there's no doubt in my mind that the later releases are gonna leave all we know behind and rendered pretty much obsolete for high end gaming. That's just the way it goes.

[xgn]

The motherboard on my pc is 6 years old. But i build a new system soon. It will be great

5 years for a pc is old. I defently notice my pc is somehow reduced. Not just outclassed. Also run into some issues.

They can after 5 years. If that was the only issue just change the GPU.

[LooneyJuice]

Can't stress enough how use cases play into this. Sure DX12 and Vulkan are super duper awesome, but we don't know for a fact that everything will be DX12/Vulkan in a few years. Not to mention your client may have certain staples and may indeed not venture into the entire gaming spectrum in the future. So assuming a 980ti is very roughly in 1070 ballpark, it's by no means a bad purchase, it's just a previous generation. And just being current is worth it for me when you're talking about driver support and such. And no, I don't mean "NV gimps older cards yada yada", I mean any manufacturer will focus primarily on the current architecture.

 

So no, you didn't outright fuck up, and you could possibly get 5 years out of a 980ti (no one knows for sure, and no one knows everyone will be adopting low-level APIs or even if the implementation will really even matter depending on the title). You may not be able to pump ultra settings into everything for ever, but for 1080p, it should work fine for a while. Hell, even most modern titles still list the 970 under recommended specs for crying out loud.

[Cracklingice]

Personally, I would go RX470 when it launches or 480 if it fits the budget and then when the next gen comes out go with the more promising brand (AMD / Nvidia) mid tier of that generation if the gains are worth it.  Used video cards seem to hold value fairly well so sell the old one to offset the upgrade cost (or use it in multi adapter if that catches on and works well).  Another option might be 1050 / 1060.
I don't feel it's a grave error as the 980ti is still a good card for now (infact, better than what I would do with the rx4 and upgrade) and will probably be good for 1080 gaming for 2 to 3 years at least.  5 years is really too far to try to stretch a graphics card in my opinion unless it's the biggest baddest thing of it's day.  The obvious exclusion to this is if the games they play don't get updated - they will continue to work similarly as long as Microsoft doesn't screw things up.

Basically - no matter what card you go with aside from 1080 or higher performance, I would factor in an upgrade before 5 years is up, unless they're ok with lower graphics settings.

[App4that]

3 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

Vulkan performance

 

And that's with the 980ti not overclocked. Stop spreading lies Don. You know that once the 980ti is overclocked it overtakes the Fury X.