PSU Tier List [OLD]

[Amazonsucks]

I meant from whoever reviewed the Prime and X series not their new budget models.

 

Still nothing better than Murata either. I really shouldnt have bought this X850 Gold. I feel dirty

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

I meant from whoever reviewed the Prime and X series not their new budget models.

Which were reviewed out of screened PVT units and not shipped from Newegg like the Focus with the cold solder joints.

[Biggerboot]

10 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

garbage tier Chinese made Xbox360s etc.

I know it's off topic, but the design was what made those bad.

 

11 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

Very true especially nowadays in the Amazon age of lowest bidder trash but i still try.

It's super convenient for some things.  But I won't try to convince you otherwise.   

[Amazonsucks]

34 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

Which were reviewed out of screened PVT units and not shipped from Newegg like the Focus with the cold solder joints.

So Seasonic is so bad they send special units like AMD used to?

[Amazonsucks]

34 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

I know it's off topic, but the design was what made those bad.

 

It's super convenient for some things.  But I won't try to convince you otherwise.   

What made all the Made in Japan consoles so good? Just the design?

 

You couldnt pay me to buy anything from Jeff Clownshoe Bozos

[Biggerboot]

3 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

What made all the Made in Japan consoles so good? Just the design?

 

You couldnt pay me to buy anything from Jeff Clownshoe Bozos

Nintendo and Sony outsource to China too.

[Amazonsucks]

26 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

Nintendo and Sony outsource to China too.

Yeah not when i was a kid. My old consoles are Made in Japan and still work 30 years on, unlike the red ring garbage from China. Anything from a Japanese brand made in China doesnt count. The first gen PS2s were Japan and they were great. Last good console i owned. Im actually old enough to remember when everything wasnt made in China trash.

[MrNiceOne]

And for tis setup? 550wat will be enough? (different Cpu Mobo)

Cpu>AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

GPU>GeForce GTX 1080 ( normal or maybe TI )

MoBo>Asus ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO

Cooler> Be Quiet Dark Rock 4

Ram>2x8GB DDR4

SSD>240GB

HDD>2TB

[MEC-777]

3 minutes ago, MrNiceOne said:

And for tis setup? 550wat will be enough? (different Cpu Mobo)

Cpu>AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

GPU>GeForce GTX 1080 ( normal or maybe TI )

MoBo>Asus ROG CROSSHAIR VII HERO

Cooler> Be Quiet Dark Rock 4

Ram>2x8GB DDR4

SSD>240GB

HDD>2TB

Yes, just pick something good. From tier 1 or 2 if you can. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Yeah not when i was a kid. My old consoles are Made in Japan and still work 30 years on, unlike the red ring garbage from China. Anything from a Japanese brand made in China doesnt count. The first gen PS2s were Japan and they were great. Last good console i owned. Im actually old enough to remember when everything wasnt made in China trash.

My ColecoVision was made in the U.S.. So take that.

 

[Amazonsucks]

10 minutes ago, jonnyGURU said:

My ColecoVision was made in the U.S.. So take that.

 

Probably still works too?

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

So Seasonic is so bad they send special units like AMD used to?

Not typically bad.  Just typically not as good as most review units.

 

Like I said:  Manufacturers often have to do touch ups, etc.  They don't always look good, but they do the job.  I'd rather have some sloppy touch ups than cold solder joints though.  I think Jeremy graded a little too nicely in that review by giving that PSU a 9 for build quality.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

Probably still works too?

Yes.  It does.

 

[Amazonsucks]

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16817171104

 

FML it was on sale and its sold out. Someone harass CoolerMaster to make a $500 600W MIJ please?

[STRMfrmXMN]

7 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16817171104

 

FML it was on sale and its sold out. Someone harass CoolerMaster to make a $500 600W MIJ please?

Is a Corsair AX not good enough for you? 

[Biggerboot]

3 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Is a Corsair AX not good enough for you? 

If it's not fully made in Japan then no. 

[Amazonsucks]

3 minutes ago, Biggerboot said:

If it's not fully made in Japan then no. 

Precisely. Id happily pay $500 for a 600W MIJ if they made it. Not so crazy about 1200W when i dont need half that really.

 

Are any enterprise level PSUs made in USA, Japan or pretty much anywhere other than China?

[Biggerboot]

14 minutes ago, Amazonsucks said:

Precisely. Id happily pay $500 for a 600W MIJ if they made it. Not so crazy about 1200W when i dont need half that really.

 

Are any enterprise level PSUs made in USA, Japan or pretty much anywhere other than China?

Germany is probably your best bet, but I don't know if they're completely built there either, maybe just designed/assembled.  @Stefan Payne might know.

[awesomegamer919]

6 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

I mean Murata is made in Japan so its basically not the same planet as all the Chinese stuff.

Murata quality is still not much better, if at all, than Delta/Liteon/Zippy etc... If you are willing to put in the effort you can still build quality products, even in China. 

6 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

He definitely endorsed CWT over Seasonic trash(ill still take Seasonic over CWT any day personally) there but basically disappeared after admitting that he doesnt like to piss off the Chinese manufacturers hes somehow beholden to.

1: CWT is a better OEM for someone who's in Jon's position, he has an excellent engineering team behind him, so he requires a more consistent OEM with better QC and equipment than an OEM with better engineers. (IIRC back when Corsair used both CWT and Seasonic, the Seasonic units had a higher RMA rate) 

6 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

I mean i personally wouldnt give a shit if i was in it to help people pick a PSU, which is apparently exactly what the site that bears his name(but isnt his) isnt for!

1: it's not his site, he hasn't owned it for years

 

2: if you ask, you will generally get PSU recommendations there... There's even a stickies thread about how to word things and what info will be needed. 

6 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

I actually thought his site was legit until he talked to me in that thread. Then i realized its pandering useless bullshit like the rest and not to trust a word he says.

:thinking:

 

Methinks he said something you don't like and that's why you dislike him...

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

I mean Murata is made in Japan so its basically not the same planet as all the Chinese stuff.

 

 

 

I actually thought his site was legit until he talked to me in that thread. Then i realized its pandering useless bullshit like the rest and not to trust a word he says.

Then you're the fool that knows nothing about manufacturing processes or quality control. 

 

[Amazonsucks]

6 hours ago, jonnyGURU said:

Then you're the fool that knows nothing about manufacturing processes or quality control. 

 

An ironic accusation given my particular background ?

[Amazonsucks]

10 hours ago, awesomegamer919 said:

Murata quality is still not much better, if at all, than Delta/Liteon/Zippy etc... If you are willing to put in the effort you can still build quality products, even in China. 

1: CWT is a better OEM for someone who's in Jon's position, he has an excellent engineering team behind him, so he requires a more consistent OEM with better QC and equipment than an OEM with better engineers. (IIRC back when Corsair used both CWT and Seasonic, the Seasonic units had a higher RMA rate) 

1: it's not his site, he hasn't owned it for years

 

2: if you ask, you will generally get PSU recommendations there... There's even a stickies thread about how to word things and what info will be needed. 

:thinking:

 

Methinks he said something you don't like and that's why you dislike him...

China is not known for making quality products at all. Its just the cheapest place to outsource to and their predatory dumping practices,combined with global companjes' greed and disregard for the consumer has made them the place to have your junk assembled or manufactured. Maybe in another 50 years their reputation can change.

 

And wait, what do you mean "he has an excellent engineering team behind him"? Behind him doing or making what exactly? I must be very out of the loop on this one.

 

To the last part you brought up: it was the accusation that i was trolling when i wasnt. Then i was enlightened to the fact that the truth was disclosed in a private section of that sites forum, then leaked, which in my mind is a service to consumers.

 

See, i dont really trust any of these tech review sites because they are worlds away from the way comprehensive analysis is done in the HPC or mission critical computing space. BUT that info doesnt exist for consumer level electronics, because well consumer level stuff is geared to the ignorant masses and usually lowest bidder level junk. So you rely on sites like Jonnyguru, LTT, PCPer, HardOCP etc to do SOME level of objective and truthful analysis.

 

Instead he made it sound like not pissing off Chinese OEM companies was worth more to him than letting the truth be known to consumers of the products being reviewed.

 

Also came to find out that Seasonic sends specially prepared units for review. At lesst when AMD pulled that shit SOME places like PCPer called them out for it.

 

Its always when an apparently principled person or institution's facade reveals a lack of principles.

 

 

 

 

[Stefan Payne]

14 hours ago, Biggerboot said:

Germany is probably your best bet, but I don't know if they're completely built there either, maybe just designed/assembled.  @Stefan Payne might know.

I don't know if there are any factorys. But as far as I know, its possible that TDK Lambda might do some stuff in Germany. 

 

But Germany was in the 50s and 60s what China is today, what Japan was in the 70s and 90s...

 

19 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Its not a joke tbh. Japanese quality then all Chinese made junk with fake Japanese capacitors(according to Jonnyguru).

its not Fake, its made in China, big difference...

 

And to say that all things Japan are better than all things China is pretty racist.

Because there is no reason whatsoever why chinese shouldn't be able to make decent stuff. You just have to give them a couple of Ben Franklin instead of Tubman/Jackson for each unit and they will build it for you. 

 

[awesomegamer919]

2 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

China is not known for making quality products at all. Its just the cheapest place to outsource to and their predatory dumping practices,combined with global companjes' greed and disregard for the consumer has made them the place to have your junk assembled or manufactured. Maybe in another 50 years their reputation can change.

Turns out most PSU OEMs are based in China and most brands cannot afford to build their own factories. Even if they could, China is the logical place to put the factories due to price. These are businesses and PSUs, especially lower end units, don't always have great margins, so saving a few $ on labour/component shipping here and there could be x00% more margins wise.

2 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

And wait, what do you mean "he has an excellent engineering team behind him"? Behind him doing or making what exactly? I must be very out of the loop on this one.

Corsair employs their own PSU engineering team, most current  units are either fully custom platforms (RMi, HX, HXi, AXi, CXm <750w, SF) and the few that aren't are still modified. 

2 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

To the last part you brought up: it was the accusation that i was trolling when i wasnt. Then i was enlightened to the fact that the truth was disclosed in a private section of that sites forum, then leaked, which in my mind is a service to consumers.

 

See, i dont really trust any of these tech review sites because they are worlds away from the way comprehensive analysis is done in the HPC or mission critical computing space. BUT that info doesnt exist for consumer level electronics, because well consumer level stuff is geared to the ignorant masses and usually lowest bidder level junk. So you rely on sites like Jonnyguru, LTT, PCPer, HardOCP etc to do SOME level of objective and truthful analysis.

 

Instead he made it sound like not pissing off Chinese OEM companies was worth more to him than letting the truth be known to consumers of the products being reviewed.

Turns out Corsair (And other brands for that matter) rely on these factories to build the units, Jon works for Corsair, therefore he can't piss off the OEMs otherwise he could have some seriously bad issues down the line. I personally have not seen the subforum that he is referring to (That was before I joined jonnyguru.com).

 

As for not trusting review sites, TomsHW/TPU (Aris) do have some really good reviews, going into great depth on component choice and performance/reliability/protections, it's hard to do meaningful tests on longevity without stressing the PSU for a long time, at which point your review is months late and the PSU has been on sale for ages.

2 hours ago, Amazonsucks said:

Also came to find out that Seasonic sends specially prepared units for review. At lesst when AMD pulled that shit SOME places like PCPer called them out for it.

 

Its always when an apparently principled person or institution's facade reveals a lack of principles.

Lots of companies send modified units to reviewers/Ecova, EVGA are notorious for doing this (off the top of my head I can think of at least 3 series that have either fake ratings or were modified to send to reviewers).

[Amazonsucks]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

I don't know if there are any factorys. But as far as I know, its possible that TDK Lambda might do some stuff in Germany. 

 

But Germany was in the 50s and 60s what China is today, what Japan was in the 70s and 90s...

 

its not Fake, its made in China, big difference...

 

And to say that all things Japan are better than all things China is pretty racist.

Because there is no reason whatsoever why chinese shouldn't be able to make decent stuff. You just have to give them a couple of Ben Franklin instead of Tubman/Jackson for each unit and they will build it for you. 

 

Bwahahaha oh man this is great!? 

 

Youre the second person in two days who has said im racist for pointing out that Japan typically makes better quality goods than China.

 

First off Chinese isnt a race. Its a country of origin. I didnt say anything about Chinese people either(my Chinese friends would laugh at your accusation of racism btw).

 

Secondly, pretending that China is known for their high quality goods rather than their Communist party run cheap labour is a joke. If youre among the rich in China, youd know they love imported luxury goods from Europe and elsewhere. Buying domestic is proletarian.

 

Japanese is also not a RACE. And the nation of Japan has long been known for exceptional quality manufactured goods, particularly electronics.

 

S. Korea is as well. Is it racist to say that the South Korean manufacturers are more advanced and make better stuff than the North Korean communist regime's quality? ?

 

And personally it seems like a lot of the myth of German quality went down the tubes in the 90s when the joke became that their cars are in the shop more than on the road.

 

To the last part about money. You basically came full circle and unintentionally agreed with me and reinforced my point.

 

China has a big problem with domestic slave labour. You might have heard about it? In addition to their literal slave labour, they also have a perverse economic incentive structure that results in: fake and contaminated goods with the real item substituted for one of less quality(like dirt instead of pepper or deadly melamine added to fake the protein content of baby forumula with deaths as a result).

 

That corner cutting to reach the lowest price point is fine if youre a western fatcat businessman who has little to no contact with such cheap dangerous products, and theyre often the ones profiting at the expense of people working in horrible conditions in China, like all those people who hated their life enough to jump off the roof of iPhone maker Foxconns factory in protest.

 

Things are pretty bad when you say "well jumping to my death is better than being a factory slave!" Personally, i think youd have to be incredibly evil to support such practices by purchasing from manufacturers like that, hence i wont buy from shit companies like Apple who have billionaires laughing while their workers commit suicide.

 

If you want to live in a delusional fantasy where giving a damn about quality and the working conditions of the people who make what you use is "racist", by all means call me whatever you like. 

 

Countries like Japan, USA, most of the EU, Aus, NZ dont have the kind of inhumane working conditions and as a result, they also tend to make much better stuff. Although thanks to Amazon which makes trash like Walmart seem tame, the Chinese Communist Party style of inhumane working conditions and slave driving mentality is coming to the USA.

 

So hey, if you wanna support slavery and the inhumane treatment of people who are out of sight out of mind, its apparently legal in 2018 to support slavery. Then if you wanna race bait because you dont care if your stuff is made by people treated as expendable robots, say whatever floats your boat.