With out B.s engineering diploma, can you become successful?

[keavlar]

Hey guys, this days, allot of people, says, that they earn more money then the people with the B.s degree.

I wasted 5 years of my life, 3 in army, and i didn't had other options, its or 3 years in army, or go to jail.

And 2 years to get marks to go to university  .

What you think guys? Also, maybe you will suggest so study some specific course  .

[christianled59]

Success in the US is bullshit. It's luck. Increase your chances by trying hard, but that dumbass with a soundcloud might become a famous rapper making millions one day while anyone with a degree is stuck in debt.

 

Statistically, I'd say it's best to get a degree. I'm studying for a bachelors in Computer Science, but I've already found a career in the industry before even finishing it. 

 

Before I took CS I considered a Computer Engineering degree. I'm not sure what kind of engineering you're into, but if you can stick it out for one, you have a good chance of making some good cash.

 

A buddy of mine is studying Computer Engineering at Rolla. The college has something like a 80% success rate within like a year of graduation. Keep in mind, it's a very difficult college as well.

 

I'd say take the degree, and then make something with your life afterwards. It'll be a lot easier with that degree. Besides, the army should help you out, right?

 

 

[laminutederire]

2 hours ago, keavlar said:

Hey guys, this days, allot of people, says, that they earn more money then the people with the B.s degree.

I wasted 5 years of my life, 3 in army, and i didn't had other options, its or 3 years in army, or go to jail.

And 2 years to get marks to go to university  .

What you think guys? Also, maybe you will suggest so study some specific course  .

That may be because engineers from overseas have masters degree equivalent? 

[keavlar]

46 minutes ago, christianled59 said:

Success in the US is bullshit. It's luck. Increase your chances by trying hard, but that dumbass with a soundcloud might become a famous rapper making millions one day while anyone with a degree is stuck in debt.

 

Statistically, I'd say it's best to get a degree. I'm studying for a bachelors in Computer Science, but I've already found a career in the industry before even finishing it. 

 

Before I took CS I considered a Computer Engineering degree. I'm not sure what kind of engineering you're into, but if you can stick it out for one, you have a good chance of making some good cash.

 

A buddy of mine is studying Computer Engineering at Rolla. The college has something like a 80% success rate within like a year of graduation. Keep in mind, it's a very difficult college as well.

 

I'd say take the degree, and then make something with your life afterwards. It'll be a lot easier with that degree. Besides, the army should help you out, right?

 

 

This army game 13 k to spend and good bye, you spent 13k just to get to university but after that you pay your self. 

As well, the idea is, i want to move from this country . I always wanted to live in Germany or Canada. or some where around, Specialy i love London region 

[christianled59]

9 hours ago, keavlar said:

This army game 13 k to spend and good bye, you spent 13k just to get to university but after that you pay your self. 

As well, the idea is, i want to move from this country . I always wanted to live in Germany or Canada. or some where around, Specialy i love London region 

I agree. I'd love to live in Canada. If only their dollar was worth a bit more. I've also considered Sweden, then again they're socialists so..

[Speedyv]

You can't get an engineering job without a degree. For computer science I know people who have graduated high school and gone straight into jobs because of their skills but this isn't the norm. And it isn't possible for you to know everything without going to college and learning it. You learn while on the job but the degree is what gets you in. 

[Nuluvius]

13 hours ago, Speedyv said:

You can't get an engineering job without a degree. ... You learn while on the job but the degree is what gets you in. 

This is simply not true at all. I have worked with plenty over the years who have had no degrees at all. Harder to get in? Of course but it's not impossible by any means.

[Speedyv]

11 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

This is simply not true at all. I have worked with plenty over the years who have had no degrees at all. Harder to get in? Of course but it's not impossible by any means.

It's already hard enough finding a way in from what I can see. I wouldn't recommend anybody to make long term plans of becoming an engineer (unless you are self employed) without a college degree. 

[TopDollar]

1 hour ago, Speedyv said:

It's already hard enough finding a way in from what I can see. I wouldn't recommend anybody to make long term plans of becoming an engineer (unless you are self employed) without a college degree. 

Ehhh, finding an Engineering job with an accredited degree isn't too hard. Also, being an engineer without a degree isn't uncommon; especially in production based facilities. Usually they'll be hired as a shop mechanic (or apprentice if there is a program for that) at first and work their way up to engineering through experience alone. In my industry they're called Engineering Technicians and have a different occupation series, but their pay is the same as engineers with degrees.  Takes hard work of course, as does earning an engineering degree. In the end, you get a really valuable engineer because they have so much experience turning wrenches and executing the work the engineers specify. They're the best people to go to if you want to know if something you want to do will actually work or not.

[xentropa]

You dont need a degree to be successful.  But you need an original idea to be successful.  Gates and Jobs were drop outs because they had a vision, an idea to shape the future of computing.  

 

College should be about finding your original idea and more importantly, building connections with experienced people who believe your idea.  If you just pass your classes and get your degree but have no idea what you want to do after, you will find it hard.

[handymanshandle]

"Success" is pretty vague though. Frankly, when I finish high school in 2018. I'm thinking I'll just go to a local tech school/community college get an associates in probably generals or maybe something specific. But probably generals, and then maybe I'll for a BA or BFA at a state college/university or maybe go to some decent college in France or Québec.

 

College for me though is kinda a maybe thing, considering the costs associated with it. It also being a risky investment with the potential of having no ROI or a low ROI. From an investment standpoint the costs of uni/college it's a risky investment. (Repeating myself to get my point across, that's an option ) 

 

But I mean if you're careful with what degree you pick and what studies and employment opportunities that exists in your area, a degree could also have a high ROI, but that's more often than not the case with most college grads in an undergrad or grad program.

[Mark77]

In Canada, 2/3rds of people with engineering degrees can't find jobs in engineering or relevant to engineering.  This is a proven fact based on StatsCan data:

 

https://www.ospe.on.ca/public/documents/advocacy/2015-crisis-in-engineering-labour-market.pdf

 

So at least in Canada, getting an engineering degree has a pretty big chance of making an otherwise successful person unsuccessful. 

 

My advice, follow your passion, whatever it may be.  And don't worry about your time in the IDF.  Everyone in Israel of conscription age has to go through that, so its not like you're at any disadvantage compared to your peers.

[keavlar]

3 hours ago, Mark77 said:

In Canada, 2/3rds of people with engineering degrees can't find jobs in engineering or relevant to engineering.  This is a proven fact based on StatsCan data:

 

https://www.ospe.on.ca/public/documents/advocacy/2015-crisis-in-engineering-labour-market.pdf

 

So at least in Canada, getting an engineering degree has a pretty big chance of making an otherwise successful person unsuccessful. 

 

My advice, follow your passion, whatever it may be.  And don't worry about your time in the IDF.  Everyone in Israel of conscription age has to go through that, so its not like you're at any disadvantage compared to your peers.

Thx to all who answered. Regarding what you saying. Well i can not agree with you my friend, 3 years in army, game me nothing,. Lets say i was working in full time job all this 3 years, i could of get enough money , to study with out working. 12k 1 year,* 3 =36k $  its more then 3.3k$  also, there was a lot of bad times. Its is true that, half of Israel is russians, and other nations. But my self, as a Russian, i hate them, i wont explain why, but same negative feeling i experience to israelian people. Of course not to all, but , most of them.  And about my passion, travel, computers, games, in other words!   LINUS MEDIA GROUP  =   i don't even care if they pay less , then other places, just to look  at how much fun they have!  

[keavlar]

On Sunday, June 26, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Speedyv said:

You can't get an engineering job without a degree. For computer science I know people who have graduated high school and gone straight into jobs because of their skills but this isn't the norm. And it isn't possible for you to know everything without going to college and learning it. You learn while on the job but the degree is what gets you in. 

Would you suggest me move to Canada, and study here?  Every one says that its more expensive then in some other countries. If i would finish degree in Canada, as international student, would it give me advantage in some sort of? Or If i came from other country to live and work in Canada? What sounds better?