Microsoft Hits a New Low - Pressing Close Will Now Install Windows 10

[lightningterror]

On 5/25/2016 at 10:03 PM, spwath said:

Why not just get windows 10?
Its newer than 7 and will have better future support and is free for now...

My experience with windows 10 was bad so I rolled back to 7. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's better.

[spwath]

41 minutes ago, lightningterror said:

My experience with windows 10 was bad so I rolled back to 7. Just because it's new doesn't mean it's better.

I love it, I find it better

[Apathetik]

1 hour ago, JoeyDM said:

I'm okay with this purely to avoid another XP. Fuck that shit. I just wish they would fix some of the privacy problems, even if they did also exist in 7.

The main privacy issues that are currently common to both Windows 10, and Windows 7 (and 8(.1)). Actually weren't always deployed in Windows 7 and 8(.1). They were only deployed to Windows 7, and Windows 8(.1) the month following the initial release of Windows 10. There are many excuses and reasons that could be made to justify it. I'm personally inclined to believe it's so they could say "Ohh, well windows 7/8(.1) has it too." if they ever needed to. But my hat is made of Tin. So we'll avoid that any further for now. lol

 

The big difference between the two cases however, is that with Windows 7 and 8(.1), because they were deployed as updates. They're generally much easier to get rid of as long as you know what each update is for (not even going to get started on the way Microsoft structures update names and info). With Windows 10 however, they're baked into the OS and in some cases what could be considered core functionality (such as Cortana). Making it much harder to locate, remove, or at least disable completely.

 

On top of which, the level users have to go to in some cases to disable things completely shows that Microsoft has intentionally buried these things into the OS to make them harder to detect and deal with. Yes, there are menu's in the general settings to disable things. But sometimes those don't even allow you to completely disable a function. Such as telemetry. Which requires a registry edit. I've also seen things requiring the use of the Group Policy Editor to deal with. Which isn't even accessible on 'Home' versions of the OS, and requires 'Professional' or higher. 

[Trik'Stari]

Microsoft, just fucking stop already. Stop trying to out apple, apple.

[Nowak]

On 5/25/2016 at 6:01 PM, Delicieuxz said:

It's a trade-off of... ...stability...

Most people I've seen complaining about Windows 10's stability upgraded. Doesn't seem like a lot of upgrades were 100% successful (thankfully I am one of those 5 people who successfully upgraded without any major issues.) Although, that's not exclusively a Windows issue, it's a Linux issue as well.

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53 minutes ago, Daring said:

Most people I've seen complaining about Windows 10's stability upgraded. Doesn't seem like a lot of upgrades were 100% successful (thankfully I am one of those 5 people who successfully upgraded without any major issues.) Although, that's not exclusively a Windows issue, it's a Linux issue as well.

The whole "stability" thing used to be a huge deal since most OSs struggled with it in the 90s, but honestly I haven't had any stability issues since XP when I think about it.

[Nowak]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The whole "stability" thing used to be a huge deal since most OSs struggled with it in the 90s, but honestly I haven't had any stability issues since XP when I think about it.

I haven't had many major issues in a while either. With Windows at least, I always seem to break something on Linux.

 

I guess having a fuckton of control isn't always a good thing.

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45 minutes ago, Daring said:

I haven't had many major issues in a while either. With Windows at least, I always seem to break something on Linux.

 

I guess having a fuckton of control isn't always a good thing.

Yeah   But I loved Linux when I started out with computers, because we had this 200Mhz Pentium (admittedly for the time pretty good spec) and it would always lag with Windows (98) and crash and freeze, but with Linux, even though it would sometimes lag just as bad, it never crashed and it would always catch-up and get through everything you requested if you had the patience.  And it was great for learning the different aspects of software, what with the OS itself, graphical environments, etc.  Windows just didn't have the same amount of stuff to explore...

[patrick3027]

On Thursday, May 26, 2016 at 1:18 PM, spwath said:

Im not opposed to socialist ideas.

 

And there is choice, they are just trying to stear you in the right direction

Sure you have choice, but after creating a Pavlov reflex in users who have been clicking that X button to avoid the update, it's downright criminal to now change the behaviour so that clicking the same button you have been clicking for the past months now will do exactly the opposite of what it did before.

[Master Disaster]

18 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

The whole "stability" thing used to be a huge deal since most OSs struggled with it in the 90s, but honestly I haven't had any stability issues since XP when I think about it.

XP was terrible when it released, SP1 didn't really help either. It wasn't until SP2 that XP became the great OS it was. 

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21 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

XP was terrible when it released, SP1 didn't really help either. It wasn't until SP2 that XP became the great OS it was. 

Well maybe I'm forgetting about that early stage but I don't remember many issues.  Coming from Windows 98 it was night and day better.  But time is a funny thing... a lot of people don't seem to realize that using XP today would be pretty much the same as using Windows 2.0 when XP was released   

[Master Disaster]

7 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well maybe I'm forgetting about that early stage but I don't remember many issues.  Coming from Windows 98 it was night and day better.  But time is a funny thing... a lot of people don't seem to realize that using XP today would be pretty much the same as using Windows 2.0 when XP was released   

Yeah, even in its stock form XP was miles ahead of 98. I remember going from 98 to ME for about 5 days before immediately going back to 98 again.  You can't mention buggy MS OSes without mentioning ME

 

Shortly after I got 2000 so I went from 2000 to XP and I remember XP having some big issues. There was a USB transfer bug which I remember really annoying me as well as loads of BSODs. 

[The_Denks]

On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2016 at 1:03 PM, spwath said:

Why not just get windows 10?
Its newer than 7 and will have better future support and is free for now...

Don't forget DX12

[Apathetik]

18 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well maybe I'm forgetting about that early stage but I don't remember many issues.  Coming from Windows 98 it was night and day better.  But time is a funny thing... a lot of people don't seem to realize that using XP today would be pretty much the same as using Windows 2.0 when XP was released   

I still have a computer running 98 SE. It's an old IBM Thinkpad 600x with a 500mhz PIII Coppermine in it.

 

6 minutes ago, UberGamerKing said:

Don't forget DX12

DX12 is certainly an improvement. But due to the lack of games that actually use it right now. It's useless to list as a "Benefit" to switching right now.

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2 minutes ago, Apathetik said:

DX12 is certainly an improvement. But due to the lack of games that actually use it right now. It's useless to list as a "Benefit" to switching right now.

It made Dolphin usable for me 

[apm]

it does say that the upgrade is scheduled,,,

the x just closes the window.

[zMeul]

 

[jaggysnake57]

just take the free upgrade my god, 7 is old and losing support, soon programs will stop working on 7 and 8 isnt far behind........10 is going nowhere, it is inevitable so save your money and get the free upgrade already

 

[Apathetik]

4 minutes ago, jaggysnake57 said:

just take the free upgrade my god, 7 is old and losing support, soon programs will stop working on 7 and 8 isnt far behind........10 is going nowhere, it is inevitable so save your money and get the free upgrade already

 

Actually, iirc the EOL date for Windows 8.1 is actually like a year before the EOL date for Windows 7. lol

 

Edit: Nvm, Was looking at the wrong date.

[Delicieuxz]

11 hours ago, zMeul said:

 

'they're for-profit company, so of course they're going to do what makes money, and I don't fault them for that.'

 

This is one common argument that is as big a logical fallacy as is possible to make. I guess he doesn't fault rapists for raping people either, because, hey they're rapists, that's what they do. Like, WTF. There is a decent way to make money, and an indecent way to make money, just as there are appropriate and inappropriate approaches to inter-human copulation. There is nothing about being a business that makes generating revenue through arrogant and abusive means appreciable and justified. Absolutely nothing. I could go out an steal some purses, and say... hey, I like money, and the guy in the video, if going by his argument for MS, would go, "OK, that makes sense. Can't fault him for robbing people then."

 

7 hours ago, jaggysnake57 said:

just take the free upgrade my god, 7 is old and losing support, soon programs will stop working on 7 and 8 isnt far behind........10 is going nowhere, it is inevitable so save your money and get the free upgrade already

At their cores, Windows 7 and 10 are mostly the same OS, so if Win 7 is old in design, then I guess so is Win 10. Also, Windows 7 offers more user control than Win 10, and has some better features, like a better start-menu. And, currently, more programs work on Windows 7 than on Windows 10, so... I guess people should be moving back to Windows 7?

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

At their cores, Windows 7 and 10 are mostly the same OS, so if Win 7 is old in design, then I guess so is Win 10. Also, Windows 7 offers more user control than Win 10, and has some better features, like a better start-menu. And, currently, more programs work on Windows 7 than on Windows 10, so... I guess people should be moving back to Windows 7?

To be fair, Windows 10 has some features that are better than in Windows 7. "Better start menu" is subjective. I do agree with you that Windows 7 offers users more control though.

 

Not sure about program compatibility but I have ran into issues on Windows 10. For example I can't use vSphere to connect to a VMware ESX server that has been self signed. On Windows 7 it gives me a warning, and an option to install the certificate. On Windows 10 it just refuses to make a connection because it can't verify the cert. I even tried to manually add the certificate in certlm, and it still gets ignored. So right now I have to use a VM, to get into my VM... If you count all the terrible Universal Platform apps that exist for Windows 10 then it probably has wider compatibility than 7.

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I feel like I've gotten really lucky with everything.  I mean, a perfect experience can't be that rare, can it?  But by all the posts of problems, I do feel lucky   My start menu works every time, it's quick, search works well, I've had very few compatibility issues and all but 1 from an obscure 2002 game* were easily solved, automatic updates have been playing by my schedule without any real work on my part... it's really gone well.

 

I know those with problems tend to be more vocal (as they should), so I just thought I'd try to balance it out

 

*If you just start it and play it works fine but there's this weird issue where if you minimize it, when you go back to the game the graphics are garbled so it's unplayable.  Luckily it runs well on a 200 MHz Pentium so I'm not exactly short of options in terms of what I can "wrap" it in to make it work