AMD Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 Specifications leak

[Sky Daddy]

im holding off for vega/1080ti

[WereCat]

6 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Not sure how many of you know this, but I believe AMD is planning on going a different route with their high-end GPUs. Instead of using bigger GPU dies, which cost more due to lower yields and higher defects (per die), they might be going a different direction and start using multiple smaller GPU dies, per card. Think of it like 2 or 4 Polaris 10 chips on one card that work together as one larger single GPU chip. The result would be a more powerful card but potentially at a lower cost due to higher yields and lower defects (per die). 

 

I think this is what we might see with Vega. AdoredTV made a video on this and it actually makes a lot of sense, IMO.  

 

 

I doubt it. 

Because memory management would get hella more expensive.

[Prysin]

58 minutes ago, Enderman said:

They're moving it up because of competition

 

And no, they aren't doing great in terms of good chips apparently

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Say-it-aint-so-AMD-Polaris-may-not-shine-Computex

that was a rumor. One that has been officially debunked by AMD.

for a company to come out and say "ok, enough is enough. The bullshit ends" means people are going WAY overboard with the "Oh AMD is gonna fail" rumors.

 

From the Guru 3D article that PCPer is basing THEIR article on

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Okay before I start on this news-item, I really need to state that this is based on a vague rumor, nothing has been confirmed or denied otherwise

Meaning someone is just after page-views.

 

 

[MEC-777]

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

I doubt it. 

Because memory management would get hella more expensive.

Not necessarily. Just need to allow each die access to all the memory. Would be easier to do this using HBM2 or ? than GDDR5/X.

[TheMissxu]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

GTX 1070 - 6.5 TFlop - $379 MSRP

It's going to release at $449. You are only going to get cheap heat sink and fans at $379 (cheap plastic blower style) probably a couple weeks later. Those will only be looked at for non-overclocking or for "reference" watercooling.

 

Just nVidia's clever marketing going at it...

[Memories4K]

3 minutes ago, TheMissxu said:

It's going to release at $449. You are only going to get cheap heat sink and fans at $379 (cheap plastic blower style) probably a couple weeks later. Those will only be looked at for non-overclocking or for "reference" watercooling.

 

Just nVidia's clever marketing going at it...

$380 for AiB partner designed cards on release.

 

Sounds like a good deal to me.

[Prysin]

@Enderman

Reading through the Nordic Hardware's article, which is in a language I CAN SPEAK.

 

Nordic Hardwares article basically say AMD is keeping extra quiet this time, because last year at computex, when they tried to keep quiet pre 300 series and Fury launch, some board partners (XFX and Powercolor), decided to leak info behind closed doors BEFORE the NDA.

 

So this time, AMD is keeping their cards even closer to their chest. And you know what? I totally understand.

AMD is strapped for cash, and having a booth, let alone a press conference costs LOTS of money. So when you are spending money on a reveal, and some board partner decides to ruin your whole event by leaking all the info ahead of your event. Well, why did you spend all that money on PR and hosting a fucking event? Knowing how expensive a E3 press release can be, it wouldnt surprise me AT ALL if a computex booth + press conference would cost AMD upwards of 250,000 dollars or more. That is A LOT of money.

 

I bet you, Sapphire (which designs and manufacture all the Reference Radeon and Firepro cards), MSI and ASUS already have the full specs of the Polaris chips. I bet you the "whiny source" is probably XFX, because they never know how to shut the fuck up and leaks images left and right.

 

 

EDIT: reading through Nordic Hardware, the site is quite possibly the sweedish version of WCCFTech. Their articles are so fucking sensationalist and speculative, and the "WOW factor" is through the fucking roof. They claim Playstation NEO will get a ZEN "Lite" APU. Which is highly unlikely since ZEN isnt launching before next year.

Their Nvidia posts are sort of like reading sections from a fanboy love-letter... and they dont cite their sources.

[TheMissxu]

5 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

$380 for AiB partner designed cards on release.

 

Sounds like a good deal to me.

$380 for this:

And probably $400-450 for something more robust like this

(Note: That's a 970...)

[DXMember]

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/gpu_displays/gtx_1080_overclocked_3dmark_performance_leaked/1

pcper says there's no drivers for the 1080 yet, so it's a paperweight, and that really lowers any credibility of graphs drawn in paint by like a factor of 1298371982739817 billion percent minimum

[WereCat]

1 hour ago, MEC-777 said:

Not necessarily. Just need to allow each die access to all the memory. Would be easier to do this using HBM2 or ? than GDDR5/X.

Except that having memory chips near each die would increase latency if memory near die one wanted to communicate with die two. And you also don't want each die to work on the same stuff so they also need to communicate which is another latency increase.

[MEC-777]

4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Except that having memory chips near each die would increase latency if memory near die one wanted to communicate with die two. And you also don't want each die to work on the same stuff so they also need to communicate which is another latency increase.

Latency over a few mm's distance isn't going to make any difference. All the dies would be working together to render the same image as if they were one larger whole die/GPU. It's not like CF or SLI so I don't think it would be all the difficult.

 

It is a possible method to get away from manufacturing much larger single GPU dies which are more expensive with lower yields per wafer and susceptible to more defects per die. I'm not saying it is what AMD will do, they might not, just that it could be a possibility.   

[Briggsy]

They should probably not jump to performance conclusions based on Flops alone, especially if they are comparing it to an architecture from 2 generations ago. There are serious upgrades to color compression, graphic command processor, Geometry processor and potential clock speeds (although I doubt these will overclock much further than 1.5-1.6Ghz). Its pretty clear these are not going to be enthusiast chips, but beating a 390x/980 at 150w for under 300 dollars is still a great budget card.

 

I'm surprised those rumors from 2 days ago are still floating around, here of all places. I though LTT forums were ahead of the curve, not days behind. 

[TidaLWaveZ]

1 hour ago, TheMissxu said:

$380 for this:

And probably $400-450 for something more robust like this

(Note: That's a 970...)

 

THE GALAX GTX 1080 FOR $380!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[awesomeness10120]

3 hours ago, Prysin said:

you know you can adjust firestrike settings? You also know that none of the slides are validated.

Thus we both know this is just smoke being blown up our asses.

Do you have like a Spider Man fetish or something? 

 

 

[Sakkura]

2 hours ago, Enderman said:

They're moving it up because of competition

 

And no, they aren't doing great in terms of good chips apparently

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Say-it-aint-so-AMD-Polaris-may-not-shine-Computex

That's Polaris, not Vega.

[WereCat]

25 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Latency over a few mm's distance isn't going to make any difference. All the dies would be working together to render the same image as if they were one larger whole die/GPU. It's not like CF or SLI so I don't think it would be all the difficult.

 

It is a possible method to get away from manufacturing much larger single GPU dies which are more expensive with lower yields per wafer and susceptible to more defects per die. I'm not saying it is what AMD will do, they might not, just that it could be a possibility.   

But HOW do you tell each die to do different workload independently of each other without running into latency increase over memory communication if they have to work together like a single die.

 

[Coaxialgamer]

Meh . Seems i'll be waiting for Vega

[Coaxialgamer]

1 hour ago, TheMissxu said:

$380 for this:

 

 

Wait ... 380$ for a 1080 ? That can't be right ...

[FratStar]

11 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Wait ... 380$ for a 1080 ? That can't be right ...

The 1080 starts at $599 USD.

 

The 1070 starts at $379 USD 

Those prices are for non founders editions only.

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, FratStar said:

The 1080 starts at $599 USD.

 

The 1070 starts at $379 USD 

Those prices are for non founders editions only.

i know this . This is why a 380$ 1080 is most likely an error

[TheMissxu]

12 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

i know this . This is why a 380$ 1080 is most likely an error

Yeah. I'm talking about the heatsink and fan as it relates to the 1070.

[SteveGrabowski0]

4 hours ago, Prysin said:

and if that comes at 249-299 USD, that is a DAAAAAAMN good deal

Why? You could get a new 290X for that price a year and a half ago, and you got three free games through the Never Settle: Space Edition bundle in addition to a code for Civilization: Beyond Earth.

[SteveGrabowski0]

4 hours ago, Enderman said:

problem is that AMD is having problems producing good vega chips

Hasn't that rumor been shot down already? I be waiting for Q4 anyways to see if Vega 10 can beat 1080 before buying a gpu, I don't have any allegiance to Nvidia with how badly their cards age.

[Briggsy]

10 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Hasn't that rumor been shot down already? I be waiting for Q4 anyways to see if Vega 10 can beat 1080 before buying a gpu, I don't have any allegiance to Nvidia with how badly their cards age.

Its sad how far behind the news LTT forums gets sometimes.

 

If vega 10 is 4096 cores and Vega 11 is 6000+ cores (one or both cards using 2+ dies together on a single module that is recognized as a single GPU die by windows), Im sure even V10 will beat a 1080. If not, AMD are wasting their time in the gpu industry. 

[WereCat]

23 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Why? You could get a new 290X for that price a year and a half ago, and you got three free games through the Never Settle: Space Edition bundle in addition to a code for Civilization: Beyond Earth.

Believe it or not but there are countries outside of US where used 290 is still worth a lot more than that.