AMD to provide Polaris Hardware to Apple and New PS4

[Paragon_X]

According to Various sources on the net. AMD will supply Polaris hardware to Apple and PS 4.5

 

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AMD's Polaris GPUs look set to be very popular if various news reports published earlier today pan out. Firstly AMD has"secured wins" for Polaris chips to go into new Apple Mac desktops and laptops, reports WCCF Tech. Secondly AMD will supply a Polaris GPU with 2,304 stream processors to Sony for the PlayStation 4.5 /PS4K, reports TechPowerUp.

I called it  Seems AMD is gonna have a nice year in 2017 if they don't screw up ZEN.

 

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WCCF Tech says that its sources have "confirmed" that AMD has secured a major contract win to supply GPUs to Apple for its desktop and laptop computers. "Both of its upcoming Radeon 400 series 14nm FinFET graphics chips, Polaris 10 and Polaris 11" will be snapped up by Apple to provide its iMacs and MacBooks with energy efficient graphics acceleration, says the source.

I wont be surprised if in 2017 Apple will start using some Zen APUs for its products.

The article also mentions that there might be 480 is the new PS4 Neo, this might actually atlast bring enough performance for some beefy graphics on consoles.
 

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According to TPU's information dissection the GPU "sounds an awful lot like the specs of the Polaris 10 'Ellesmere' chip in its Radeon R9 480 configuration". It is notable that the stream processor count will be double that of the PS4 currently on the market. Furthermore the new SoC is rumoured to have a 256-bit GDDR5 memory interface with 8GB of memory increasing system memory bandwidth from 176GB/s to 218GB/s.

 

[BrinkGG]

1 minute ago, Paragon_X said:

According to Various sources on the net. AMD will supply Polaris hardware to Apple and PS 4.5

 

I called it  Seems AMD is gonna have a nice year in 2017 if they don't screw up ZEN.

 

I wont be surprised if in 2017 Apple will start using some Zen APUs for its products.

Seriously...? Don't trust WCCF unless you can find another source that DOESNT QUOTE WCCF in the article.

I do want to see what apple and Sony do with them though.

[Paragon_X]

Just now, Brink2Three said:

Seriously...? Don't trust WCCF unless you can find another source that DOESNT QUOTE WCCF in the article.

I do want to see what apple and Sony do with them though.

It seats pretty nice though, Its a logical move. AMD has partnered with apple in the last generations of their products. With all the improvements they introduced with Polaris i dont see why apple would not want the cheaper product with probably really good performance.

[BrinkGG]

1 minute ago, Paragon_X said:

It seats pretty nice though, Its a logical move. AMD has partnered with apple in the last generations of their products. With all the improvements they introduced with Polaris i dont see why apple would not want the cheaper product with probably really good performance.

I would LOVE to see Apple break away from Intel as the CPU provider as well. But there are also speculations that Apple will be making their own CPUs for the Macbook Air. 

[byalexandr]

Why the hell don't they just call is a PS5. This naming scheme is retarded, it just shows how stupid the console makers were for not making it powerful enough in the first place.

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, byalexandr said:

Why the hell don't they just call is a PS5. This naming scheme is retarded, it just shows how stupid the console makers were for not making it powerful enough in the first place.

But that would mean that they would be kind of making a new console , which would make console users their precious potato has been discontinued , and sony doesn't want them to think that . And it will be maintaining compatibility with PS4 , so technically  it isn't a full new generation

[byalexandr]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

But that would mean that they would be kind of making a new console , which would make console users their precious potato has been discontinued , and sony doesn't want them to think that . And it will be maintaining compatibility with PS4 , so technically  it isn't a full new generation

Implementing and making 'backwards compatibility' the main selling point along with better hardware would work.

[Enderman]

9 minutes ago, Brink2Three said:

I would LOVE to see Apple break away from Intel as the CPU provider as well.

That would make apple worse than it already is...

intel CPUs are great because their iris pro graphics are better than anything on the market and their CPUs are very power efficient

they also have far better core performance than AMD

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, byalexandr said:

Implementing and making 'backwards compatibility' the main selling point along with better hardware would work.

but don't forget the ps4 has to be able to play ps4.5 games , making it more than simple backwards compatibility , and probably a headache for devs.

[byalexandr]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

but don't forget the ps4 has to be able to play ps4.5 games , making it more than simple backwards compatibility , and probably a headache for devs.

That's why this was stupid in the first place

[BrinkGG]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

That would make apple worse than it already is...

intel CPUs are great because their irios pro graphics are better than anything on the market and their CPUs are very power efficient

they also have far better core performance than AMD

IF AMD can pull off a mobile chip as powerful as the Intel chips... We wouldn't want Apple laptops to get worse...

Seriously though, I want that to be a competition. Not my 5 year old i3 still keeping up with their "top of the line" FX series. 

[Suika]

"AMD has secured wins"

 

I wouldn't call selling your chip at or below cost a win. Apple's Mac Pro is such an epic performance per dollar device because AMD is selling them their workstation cards for dirt cheap while consumers pay a more honest price for them.

[Paragon_X]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

That would make apple worse than it already is...

intel CPUs are great because their iris pro graphics are better than anything on the market and their CPUs are very power efficient

they also have far better core performance than AMD

As it stands now i totally agree on the CPU front. But its all about Zen, thats why i said if the dont screw it.

[Coaxialgamer]

4 minutes ago, byalexandr said:

That's why this was stupid in the first place

if only there was a way to agree with a post multiple times ...

The whole idea of an "upgraded" console is stupid in the first place.

[dmegatool]

3 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

but don't forget the ps4 has to be able to play ps4.5 games , making it more than simple backwards compatibility , and probably a headache for devs.

That's the latest rumors. Games released after october 2016 will need to feature two "modes", normal mode and NEO mode which would be the newer console. Game won't be able to release without the base mode and can't split the user base between them. 

 

http://kotaku.com/more-details-emerge-on-ps4-5-which-reportedly-wont-get-1771708549

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, dmegatool said:

That's the latest rumors. Games released after october 2016 will need to feature two "modes", normal mode and NEO mode which would be the newer console. Game won't be able to release without the base mode and can't split the user base between them. 

 

http://kotaku.com/more-details-emerge-on-ps4-5-which-reportedly-wont-get-1771708549

yes . And we can expect console optimization to suffer , as they will now have multiple hardware configurations to deal with . That and sony probably kneecapping the ps4 as hard as it can to push people to get the new model.

[dalekphalm]

34 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

yes . And we can expect console optimization to suffer , as they will now have multiple hardware configurations to deal with . That and sony probably kneecapping the ps4 as hard as it can to push people to get the new model.

Agreed. They're fragmenting the userbase no matter what.

 

Even if Sony forces Devs to make games compatible with the PS4 and the "Neo", the PS4 will inevitably run worse, probably a lot worse. Devs won't be able to optimize as well, because they'll now have to split their time optimizing for two configs.

[Thony]

This could help AMD a ton ! Even more so if it kicks Xboxes ass in the performance department

[GirlFromYonder]

2 minutes ago, Thony said:

This could help AMD a ton ! Even more so if it kicks Xboxes ass in the performance department

and even the ps4. Optimization will be shit now.

[Thony]

1 minute ago, DeezNoNos said:

and even the ps4. Optimization will be shit now.

I think new PS is aimed at higher end market (upscaled 1080 to 4K) and VR. 

 

PS4 is not the hot console with all the latest and greatest releases so yeah it will keep falling behind and probably be the 2nd  in the line when it comes to Sony's focus. 

 

I don't blame them, it might suck for all PS4 owners but be honest, everyone knew how behind of PC the console were before they even came out. AMD they were pretty cheap. I'm sure 4.5 will cost more, no doubt but it won't be $999. My guess is around $199 more than current gen.

[Tomsen]

It is going to be interesting. If AMD can win over apple, they can get a whole lot of volume through, issue might be that apple end up taking to much..

For PS4 and PS4.5/K or whatever they decide to call it, very much doubt they will change a whole lot to the hardware configuration. Twice as many SP (and this is with improved architecture), and it would obviously have to be a zen APU (if polaris is presented), seems like a little to much change meanwhile trying to sustain backwards compatibility with older hardware. 

 

52 minutes ago, Suika said:

"AMD has secured wins"

 

I wouldn't call selling your chip at or below cost a win. Apple's Mac Pro is such an epic performance per dollar device because AMD is selling them their workstation cards for dirt cheap while consumers pay a more honest price for them.

You know AMDs cost for manufacturing their chips? You know the deal apple and AMD went through?

You are also not just selling chips, but support for drivers (and perhaps allow the costumer to do some custom things with your drivers) and more.

It is not going to be like AMD is going to see huge profit per individual chip sold to apple, but the overall partnership will be a big plus to their finances.

[Kompira]

May be the new Playstation will run the same games at 60fps. It won't fragment the market and developers job isn't gonna be that much harder.

[CTR640]

WCCFTech, the only place where AMD and nVidia fanpeople drill each other in the butthole.

 

A better GPU may be nice but if Sony stick with their low-shit CPu, it won't help them any better.

[Agent181]

You guys want to hear a joke? 

 

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[Humbug]

2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Agreed. They're fragmenting the userbase no matter what.

 

Even if Sony forces Devs to make games compatible with the PS4 and the "Neo", the PS4 will inevitably run worse, probably a lot worse. Devs won't be able to optimize as well, because they'll now have to split their time optimizing for two configs.

How hard is it? On PC devs do a much more complicated job of optimizing for much more different combos.

 

The new PS4 Neo GPU is supposed to be as powerful as an R9 390. While the old PS4 is the equivalent of a 7870.

 

Is it really that difficult to have two different graphical presets. If a dev does not want to really take advantage of the new GPU they can just can use the same assets, and they can just have the PS4 Neo run everything at 1080p 60fps and use some high quality anti-aliasing / post-processing.

 

Probably the CPU enhancements will be more difficult to take advantage of. Because if you start having more things on screen, more AI, more physics etc it becomes more difficult to scale that down to regular PS4.