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PlayStation VR To Sell For $399, Go On Sale In October

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This is just a link. Why don't you actually share your thoughts about it instead of just showing it to us?

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1 minute ago, ZillaGames said:

This is just a link. Why don't you actually share your thoughts about it instead of just showing it to us?

Agreed OP. GIve us some more info

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Just now, ZillaGames said:

This is just a link. Why don't you actually share your thoughts about it instead of just showing it to us?

I am still forming my thoughts on it and Was allowing others to as well.

throw out content and see whats up .

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Does this include the extra upgrade needed for a PS4 to run VR?

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Does this include the extra upgrade needed for a PS4 to run VR?

PS4 has 8GB framebuffer already, so it should be capable.

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3 minutes ago, ZillaGames said:

PS4 has 8GB framebuffer already, so it should be capable.

that is like saying that just because something has 8Gb of ram it can run VR, but the PS4 doesn't have the graphics horsepower to run games even consistently at 1080p @30Hz, let alone the 1440p 90Hz ish that you need to run an oculus rift, or vive. 

So anyone buying this may be very disappointed at the lack of performance and detail compared to the rift and vive.

 

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that is like saying that just because something has 8Gb of ram it can run VR, but the PS4 doesn't have the graphics horsepower to run games even consistently at 1080p @30Hz, let alone the 1440p 90Hz ish that you need to run an oculus rift, or vive. 

So anyone buying this may be very disappointed at the lack of performance and detail compared to the rift and vive.

It has 8GB of video memory and 512mb real memory. Technically, the PS4 only needs to render what you're seeing through VR, so that could work too. We'll see

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I think with the AMD announcement on their VR product that SONY thought they needed to remind people that they will have an everyman option. I have been searching but the only thing I see that comes with are on this page. You need to buy the camera for about $60.00

Also detailed were the final consumer units specifications, giving prospective consumers the chance to compare and contrast their VR choices.

Display: OLED

Screen Size: 5.7″

Resolution: 1920 x RGB x 1080 (960 x RGB x 1080 per eye)

Refresh Rate: 120 hz, 90 hz

Sensors: 360 Degree Tracking / 9 LEDs

Field of View: Approximately 100 degrees

Latency: Less than 18s

Controller: DUALSHOCK 4 and PS Move


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2892349/playstation-vr-price-and-date-announced-will-require-playstation-camera-to-operate/#Of7XsHyTGDxi2HAu.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/2892349/playstation-vr-price-and-date-announced-will-require-playstation-camera-to-operate/

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19 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Does this include the extra upgrade needed for a PS4 to run VR?

The only upgrades needed or available are controllers and cameras, which don't seem to be included in this price. But they don't cost much anyway. 

 

This will be very popular I think, but the ps4 will hold it back some. I just hope that doesn't affect VR content for PC. 

 

19 hours ago, SLAYR said:

that is like saying that just because something has 8Gb of ram it can run VR, but the PS4 doesn't have the graphics horsepower to run games even consistently at 1080p @30Hz, let alone the 1440p 90Hz ish that you need to run an oculus rift, or vive. 

So anyone buying this may be very disappointed at the lack of performance and detail compared to the rift and vive.

The Rift and Vive are 2160x1200, not 1440p. And the PS VR runs 60Hz with frame doubling. That's fine as long as the graphics are potato enough. 30 FPS is not going to be a thing here, they're not that crazy. 

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Resolution: 1920 x RGB x 1080 (960 x RGB x 1080 per eye)

Refresh Rate: 120 hz, 90 hz

It will be interesting to see if Sony can handle the issue of the ps4 getting up to 120Hz without using the dynamic resolution system that drops resolution to improve framerate. 

 

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2 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

It will be interesting to see if Sony can handle the issue of the ps4 getting up to 120Hz without using the dynamic resolution system that drops resolution to improve framerate. 

It runs 60 FPS with frame doubling. Like those "240Hz" TVs. 

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So the three biggest VR devices will be $400, $600, and $800. Seems like a decent spread.

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22 minutes ago, ZillaGames said:

PS4 has 8GB framebuffer already, so it should be capable.

No you need performance to have 90FPS at 1440p and above. No way a PS4 can get that

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25 minutes ago, ZillaGames said:

PS4 has 8GB framebuffer already, so it should be capable.

That's like saying a GT 640 4GB has the same performance as a GTX 680 4GB

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With the entry point of $800(USD?) for the PS4 and the headset, they're doing battle with HTC Vive?

 

http://www.dailydot.com/technology/ps-vr-release-date-price/

 

I find it interesting that it uses led lights on the headset for tracking and given Sony already have a the Xperia room tracking dock. It's looking like Sony are taking everything they know and already have patented and applying it to their entertainment device.

 

Does it have the goods to bring the game developers with it?

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Here's a handy comparison chart between this, the Rift and Vive. http://www.ign.com/wikis/playstation-4/PlayStation_VR_vs_PC_Oculus_Rift_vs_Vive_Comparison_Chart

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Not mentioned here but Sony says PSVR has a general latency of 18ms which i dunno if that's great or bad since in that time space 2 120hz frames pass by.

 

IMO they compromised to much to make it work on the console, that res has 25% less pixels that the Rift/Vive and they also have a bit lower FOV, those lesser things combined could lower the bar on which at least the Vive stands on that makes enjoyable for long sessions into severely faster motion sickness to the user which in turn will make PSVR a far less enjoyable experience that could turn it into a fad that is used a couple of times and then abandoned like other big accessories like PS move and Kinect, not good at all.

56 minutes ago, ZillaGames said:

PS4 has 8GB framebuffer already, so it should be capable.

Its unified memory, most likely half of it is used as normal memory for games to use like normal RAM on a PC, also some of it its strictly reserved to the OS so technically most games would use between 3 or 4 GB for framebuffer. If they get fancy with the game and do some wizarding they could make it 5 but they would have to be light with the game functions, and like others said, that's a terrible metric for general system performance.

40 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

The Rift and Vive are 2160x1200, not 1440p. And the PS VR runs 60Hz with frame doubling. That's fine as long as the graphics are potato enough. 30 FPS is not going to be a thing here, they're not that crazy. 

They are using frame doubling, holy shit that should make it worst, TV with that shit on are really bad, i wouldn't be surprised if that's the main cause of possible motion sickness.

 

19 minutes ago, SydneySideSteveSomewheres said:

With the entry point of $800(USD?) for the PS4 and the headset, they're doing battle with HTC Vive?

 

http://www.dailydot.com/technology/ps-vr-release-date-price/

 

I find it interesting that it uses led lights on the headset for tracking and given Sony already have a the Xperia room tracking dock. It's looking like Sony are taking everything they know and already have patented and applying it to their entertainment device.

 

Does it have the goods to bring the game developers with it?

Its PS, they have have over twice units sold VS its main competitor, and they also said they have 50 games on it by the end of the year, devs won't be a problem for this thing, the thing itself will be its own killer if the experience is terrible by having lesser specs that the Rift/Vive and both are considered the good enough mark of enjoyable VR.

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IMHO this will be a massive flop. How many console gamers are willing to put out 400$ on top of what already paid for the console itself? Plus they have to add the move and camera.

People didn't even buy motion controls which were 1/4 (or even less) of the price of this thing.

I'm quite skeptical about vr in general, especially on consoles.

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I think it will sell well, assuming the experience is decent.  $800-900 for the full kit, (console, headset, camera), is not a bad price.  Especially considering the Vive and OR will be selling for that same price for just the headset and controllers, you will then still need to drop another $800+ at a minimum for the system to run it.  Considering the amount of people that already have a PS4, compared to the amount of people that have a VR ready PC, it is really a fantastic buy in price.

 

Again, this all assumes the experience is good, and works without getting most people motion sick.

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I think that if they do a good job of optimising the software they'll have no problem.

For instance they could use similar technology nvidia put in the 900 series of gpus so the ps4 wouldn't have to render the whole frame at 1080p, just the most essential parts.

 

Also I've seen the little processing box the headset comes attached to, is it confirmed that they're using he same technology as some '120fps' tvs? Has anybody actually tried one of these PSVR headsets and talked about the 120fps technology? After thinking about it I realised there is another way they could be doing it that would make more sense. They could use buffered frames (the same frames sitting there for vsync) to help generate the 'inbetween' frames for 120fps. What I mean is that instead of looking at the previous frames and trying to calculate where things have moved to (like those 120fps tvs) they could actually be comparing the last frame displayed to the next one in the frame buffer in order to generate the intermediate frame. The next frame has to be sat there anyway for vsync so it would be stupid of them not to use it in this way.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

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I just hope that the 18ms response time doesn't have ghosting problems. 

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43 minutes ago, Pesmerga said:

IMHO this will be a massive flop. How many console gamers are willing to put out 400$ on top of what already paid for the console itself? Plus they have to add the move and camera.

People didn't even buy motion controls which were 1/4 (or even less) of the price of this thing.

I'm quite skeptical about vr in general, especially on consoles.

The camera can be found cheap used and the move is even cheaper. I see no reason why vr wouldn't work on consoles as long as they prioritise the fluid experience over more detailed graphics (I realise that's the opposite of what most devs do nowadays though!)

 

I think the PSVR couldn't take off on its own but with the whole vr craze going on it could spur ps4 owners to dip in. Besides plenty of primarily pc gamers who also own a ps4 will be enticed by this because of its much cheaper buy in price and the lack of high spec requirements, myself included.

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I just hope that the 18ms response time doesn't have ghosting problems. 

It's an oled display, 18ms end to end, not on the display 

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