Are Mac computers really that bad?

[Redenderpearl]

They aren't that bad specs wise and performance wise but they cost to much

[siddharthk4498]

On 3/20/2016 at 1:21 AM, Trav_X said:

The Razer Blade Stealth will/is, but I guess it's not really an Ultrabook anymore when you add in the Razer Core dock.

well cooling a gaming notebook is a double duty. you have to cool both the cpu and the gpu and the razer blade stealth has a much better time with cooling because- 

a) the only thing that the laptop has to cool is a cpu that is muc easier

b) the cpu itself would not be that loaded since, most games in my opinion are more gpu intensive than cpu intensive.

[Trav_X]

16 hours ago, FaZeFuhrer said:

yes they really are bad dont ever buy one

But why are they bad?  

[cleb]

My thing about Apple products have always been "Why is that so expensive???" "Oh that's some nice design features, I guess if you're willing to pay a little extra for that....$300 dollars for 16gb ram instead of 8gb wtf!" "Okay well no body using these really need that so I guess technically the base product isn't terrible.....1/2 the cost of the product to repair it?!?!?!...I guess there's an insurance plan.....wtf that cost?!?!" "Only one port??? I mean I guess there's adapters for people who might need them...propitiatory costs?!!?!" 

 

At the end of the day I don't think Apple PRODUCTS are that bad I think Apple is an asshole. 

[FaZeFuhrer]

On 3/23/2016 at 0:24 PM, Trav_X said:

But why are they bad?  

Because they have to underclock the old gen intel processors so far because if they got any hotter they would melt all of the hot glue in the macbooks. true story.

and what can you do on a mac? nothing. all of their specialized software is just a worse copy of what was first out on a pc and they do get viruses unlike what they say they do. also apple phones are way far behind. my galaxy s3 is  still better than the iphone 6 with more ram....my version of the s3 has a quad core at the same frequency as the iphone and the other is a duel core like the iphone but clocked way faster. also apple is still using lcd's even thought galaxy s1 had an superamoled display which is brighter and uses less power.

[KWelz]

1 minute ago, FaZeFuhrer said:

Because they have to underclock the old gen intel processors so far because if they got any hotter they would melt all of the hot glue in the macbooks. true story.

and what can you do on a mac? nothing. all of their specialized software is just a worse copy of what was first out on a pc and they do get viruses unlike what they say they do. also apple phones are way far behind. my galaxy s3 is  still better than the iphone 6 with more ram....my version of the s3 has a quad core at the same frequency as the iphone and the other is a duel core like the iphone but clocked way faster. also apple is still using lcd's even thought galaxy s1 had an superamoled display which is brighter and uses less power.

 

It has been a while since I read anything so full of...  Well lets call it creative revision of history.  

 

Lets start with the iphone since it is the easiest to debunk.  You are comparing specs that are not comparable.   The i important factor here is overall performance.  And in that case the iPhone 6 is still pretty much top dog, trading blows with the GS6 and GS7.  By your logic an AMD CPU at 5GHZ should outperform a modern i7 since it runs at a higher clock speed.  We all know this is not the case.   

 

As for screens the plain fact of the matter is that the difference in screen quality is negligible to non existent.   1440P screens are nothing more than a number and while AMOLED screens are nice the benefits aren't really there.  Hell, one of the resons I only used a GS6 for a couple weeks was the terrible battery life compared to my iphone 6.  

 

Now, to your other points.  Care to point where the are underclocking processors to keep from melting glue in computers?  I searched and could not find a single reputable source for this claim.  And what specialized software is a worst copy of what you would find other places?   Abobe CC?   Same thing?  Chrome and office?  Same thing.   In fact most common used software is the same exact thing.   

 

Care to try again with some actual facts?

[siddharthk4498]

13 hours ago, FaZeFuhrer said:

Because they have to underclock the old gen intel processors so far because if they got any hotter they would melt all of the hot glue in the macbooks. true story.

and what can you do on a mac? nothing. all of their specialized software is just a worse copy of what was first out on a pc and they do get viruses unlike what they say they do. also apple phones are way far behind. my galaxy s3 is  still better than the iphone 6 with more ram....my version of the s3 has a quad core at the same frequency as the iphone and the other is a duel core like the iphone but clocked way faster. also apple is still using lcd's even thought galaxy s1 had an superamoled display which is brighter and uses less power.

this is the usual mac hater nonsense. they are very capable computer and like anything they have an environment within which they strive. a music producer would undoubtedly want to go with mac an so would a lot of creative professionals and that is that. 

there is something to be said about the build quality of macs and the engineering that goes behind them. even the $1000 macbook pro looks much better and is but a lot better than pretty much any of its competitors in the same price range. 

there is also the use case where if you are not a completely tech savvy person and all you want to do is just browse the web and work on basic things like office and other such productivity based tasks, you would prefer to go through the easier and unified experience that is mac os x. windows has a lot of its advantages but the truth is that now everybody is comfortable dealing with even the small intricacies in windows. as for viruses, there are some present but the goal of virus is to reach as many people as possible to be as effective as possible to the creator since macs are a much smaller share in the computer market, they are targeted less. i have been a mac and pc user for about 3 years now and in that time i have seen one virus on my mac but about a few dozens every year on my pc.

there is really no need to hate on a product for such stupid reasons. not everyone thinks in this monotonic way. people are ready to adapt if and when there is a need for it. 

[Trav_X]

12 hours ago, siddharthk4498 said:

this is the usual mac hater nonsense. they are very capable computer and like anything they have an environment within which they strive. a music producer would undoubtedly want to go with mac an so would a lot of creative professionals and that is that. 

there is something to be said about the build quality of macs and the engineering that goes behind them. even the $1000 macbook pro looks much better and is but a lot better than pretty much any of its competitors in the same price range. 

there is also the use case where if you are not a completely tech savvy person and all you want to do is just browse the web and work on basic things like office and other such productivity based tasks, you would prefer to go through the easier and unified experience that is mac os x. windows has a lot of its advantages but the truth is that now everybody is comfortable dealing with even the small intricacies in windows. as for viruses, there are some present but the goal of virus is to reach as many people as possible to be as effective as possible to the creator since macs are a much smaller share in the computer market, they are targeted less. i have been a mac and pc user for about 3 years now and in that time i have seen one virus on my mac but about a few dozens every year on my pc.

there is really no need to hate on a product for such stupid reasons. not everyone thinks in this monotonic way. people are ready to adapt if and when there is a need for it. 

Well said  it's opinion. They are undoubtedly good computers, but it's up to the consumer to choose which system they want depending on their own personal needs and preferences.

[Digital_]

I prefer not having a portable version of Linus's pizza heater, but whatever.

[Trav_X]

On March 25, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Digital_ said:

I prefer not having a portable version of Linus's pizza heater, but whatever.

Damn, Apply water to burned area.

[Trav_X]

On March 16, 2016 at 1:36 PM, samcool55 said:

Well, it is expensive for what it is, and upgrade path is limited.

And i hate closed eco systems. Absolutely hate it.

Closed Eco System? Is that just like a term for proprietary?

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Trav_X said:

Closed Eco System? Is that just like a term for proprietary?

It means it strongly pushes the customer to use other devices from the same producer to get integration you'd take for granted elsewhere.

[Trav_X]

37 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It means it strongly pushes the customer to use other devices from the same producer to get integration you'd take for granted elsewhere.

Ah, makes sense. I see how Apple does that  my sister and all her Apple products. So silly.

[Sauron]

15 minutes ago, Trav_X said:

Ah, makes sense. I see how Apple does that  my sister and all her Apple products. So silly.

It's a vicious circle. You buy a mac because it sinergises with your iphone, you buy another iphone because you already have a mac.

[Donut417]

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

It's a vicious circle. You buy a mac because it sinergises with your iphone, you buy another iphone because you already have a mac.

Your right. When you buy in to Apple or Android, to a lesser extent Windows (because we all know, no one uses the Windows Store), your buying in to an Ecosystem. I have stuff purchased on my Google Account, so I choose to stick to an Android Phone. 

[Trav_X]

1 minute ago, Donut417 said:

Your right. When you buy in to Apple or Android, to a lesser extent Windows (because we all know, no one uses the Windows Store), your buying in to an Ecosystem. I have stuff purchased on my Google Account, so I choose to stick to an Android Phone. 

That's the problem with me switching to a Galaxy phone. I had an iPhone 4 since 2011, and just upgraded to iPhone 6 last year. My sister has spent like over $1000 total over the past decade buying apps, iTunes music, etc. my family all uses the account for music and stuff. I made my own Apple ID for games and free stuff under my own name. I want to get a Galaxy, but so much of my data is still on Apple.

 

However, there are things to do. My dad has a Galaxy Note 3, and he showed me some stuff. You can convert the "proprietary" iTunes music format to playable on Android with a free app. Some apps like Clash of Clans, and games that use internet based play and servers, have a one time transfer of your data from your GameCenter Apple connected account to an Android device. There are ways around it, but there is just so much stuff I have on Apple to switch over  but it's worth it, wen my iPhone dies (hopefully soon) I'll probably pick up a Galaxy phone.

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Your right. When you buy in to Apple or Android, to a lesser extent Windows (because we all know, no one uses the Windows Store), your buying in to an Ecosystem. I have stuff purchased on my Google Account, so I choose to stick to an Android Phone. 

At least android synergises well with any os

[daniielrp]

3 minutes ago, Trav_X said:

However, there are things to do. My dad has a Galaxy Note 3, and he showed me some stuff. You can convert the "proprietary" iTunes music format to playable on Android with a free app.

That's only a problem with old stuff, Apple removed DRM from (almost) all music about 5 years ago so it will work on any device. 

[Donut417]

11 minutes ago, Sauron said:

At least android synergises well with any os

True. But Apple excels at least at something. They keep their phones up to date. Android Marshmallow came out in September and Im still waiting for the update. God help you if you have a Samsung Device, because they dont upgrade devices after they have been out 18 months. Thats the biggest issue with Android. 

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

True. But Apple excels at least at something. They keep their phones up to date. Android Marshmallow came out in September and Im still waiting for the update. God help you if you have a Samsung Device, because they dont upgrade devices after they have been out 18 months. Thats the biggest issue with Android. 

But then, that is arguably the fault of individual companies, Samsung leading the charge. Android doesn't limit you to one producer either.

[Donut417]

Just now, Sauron said:

But then, that is arguably the fault of individual companies, Samsung leading the charge. Android doesn't limit you to one producer either.

Its kinda the fault of Google, they could force these companies to do better. Also keep in mind that your Carrier is also to blame. As the update goes thru them before its pushed out. Thats why I like LG, they at least decided to support quite a few older devices with the Marshmallow update. 

[Viarx3ko]

From what I have seen so far on MACS, compatibility issues when working with office documents because of format + isn't user friendly to windows users.

[Viarx3ko]

Just now, Viarx3ko said:

From what I have seen so far on MACS, compatibility issues when working with office documents because of format + isn't user friendly to windows users.

I personally think the same thing about android vs iOS, iOS is just too restrictive

[FaZeFuhrer]

1. The only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs. There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:

1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe's that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…

2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch mac pro's starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?

3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, Most Mac' still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple Finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)

4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)

5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)

6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?…

• The clock doesn’t display a date. That’s cool, cuz I only wanted to remind myself again that today is Monday.
• The Dock concept is cute, yet still, retarded. You not only can’t see any of the windows that you have minimized, but you also can’t truly adjust the way The Dock behaves or appears. According to Stan, its based on 1984 technology when only 1 program could run at a time. Pretty sweet.
• Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it. Just like the minimize button. Except it begins to kill your CPU after you’ve done it a few times by keeping programs running as ghosts. (Total genius.)
• Trying to alt-tab through your windows cycles through every single window of every single application one at a time instead of cycling between alternative applications (read: time-killer).
• Maximizing a window doesn’t actually maximize it. This is fun, cuz then I get to constantly click on things on the Desktop that I am definitely not interested in.
• Opening 100 images in the Mac image viewer opens 100 separate windows. (No comment.)
• You can’t drag files around to new destinations such as applications on The Dock or other directories without first preparing both source and destination windows so they are both visible. (Still, no comment.)
• etc, etc, etc

7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.

8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.

9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest checkconfirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.

10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.

For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)

 

get shit on apple fans

[Dabombinable]

2 hours ago, FaZeFuhrer said:

1. The only business model for Apple is narcissism. Its true. And for what its worth, the only “geniuses” that work for Apple are the members of their marketing team, because holy hell, we all know that the best way to sell a product in this day and age, especially to Americans, is to patronize their self-righteous beliefs. There are only 2 types of people that buy a Mac:

1) Wannabe nerdy-types that are trying to prove how knowledgeable they are about everything in the tech world
2) Wannabe's that are trying to prove how knowledgeable (read: trendy and/or “not trendy”) they are about everything in general

Either way, people who are confident enough in their knowledge, self-image, and skills rarely find it necessary (or justifiable) to buy one of these disgustingly over-priced machines. Which brings us to…

2. Macs are ridiculously overpriced. Not only do you get much less for your money when you buy ANY type of Macintosh computer compared to your other options, but you get royally screwed whenever you want any halfway-decent Mac machine. Compare 17-inch mac pro's starting at an astounding $2500 with thousands of 17-inch alternatives starting at just $599. This is partly because Apple price-fixes their products so drastically, but is mostly because they’d rather tell you what packages are available instead of letting you decide what works best for you. Hmm… what does that sound like?

3. Macs regularly ignore mainstream industry trends. Where to begin? Because of all the political (read: snobby) games that Steve Jobs gets involved with, Most Mac' still don’t have HDMI ports, eSATA ports, or BluRay drives, among other mainstream technology standards. Instead of HDMI, for example, they opt for out-of-date DVI ports (but of course only on the MacBook Pro models). This attitude is best summed up by Apple’s 2-decade-long push for world-wide FireWire data ports, which Apple Finally dropped many years after its defeat to USB 2.0 was already obvious. (P.S. Apple invented FireWire…)

4. Mac OS X is merely a locked down version of open-source Linux. Its easy to assume that over 90% of Mac owners are not only unaware of this, but don’t have a clue what Linux is. Turns out that back in 1996, after Steve Jobs’ short-lived company NeXT stole its OS base from open-source (read: FREE) BSD Unix, it resold the now proprietary OS to Apple which then became OS X. Perhaps if OS X had the flexibility of Linux, or if Mac fanboys didn’t use Linux concepts (i.e. Terminal) as reasons to brag about OS X, there wouldn’t be so much smearing to do. (Warning: do NOT attempt ask any Mac fanboys about this, or they will ignore your question and start babbling about things like Firefox.)

5. There is no right-f*cking-click! Mac fanboys will respond to this by saying “actually you CAN get a 2-button mouse now!” but even when that is true, the EFFING RIGHT CLICK STILL DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. Oh, cool, I can copy and paste! Oh wait, but I can’t perform any other damn functions in Photoshop or otherwise. And crap, I forgot which combination of 5 keys I need to hold down for right click to work on my 1-button mouse? (Don’t even ask how to make the Delete button actually delete something…)

6. The Dock, and general screen layout, is retarded. Again, where to begin?…

• The clock doesn’t display a date. That’s cool, cuz I only wanted to remind myself again that today is Monday.
• The Dock concept is cute, yet still, retarded. You not only can’t see any of the windows that you have minimized, but you also can’t truly adjust the way The Dock behaves or appears. According to Stan, its based on 1984 technology when only 1 program could run at a time. Pretty sweet.
• Trying to “X” out of a program doesn’t close it, it simply minimizes it. Just like the minimize button. Except it begins to kill your CPU after you’ve done it a few times by keeping programs running as ghosts. (Total genius.)
• Trying to alt-tab through your windows cycles through every single window of every single application one at a time instead of cycling between alternative applications (read: time-killer).
• Maximizing a window doesn’t actually maximize it. This is fun, cuz then I get to constantly click on things on the Desktop that I am definitely not interested in.
• Opening 100 images in the Mac image viewer opens 100 separate windows. (No comment.)
• You can’t drag files around to new destinations such as applications on The Dock or other directories without first preparing both source and destination windows so they are both visible. (Still, no comment.)
• etc, etc, etc

7. “It just… doesn’t work.” (Macs crash, freeze, and have evil viruses.) I thought I would dispel all the Mac lies in one sentence, so there you go. If you have ever tried to open Photoshop along with a few other programs on a Mac, you will know this frustration well. More often than not the little rainbow wheel will starting spinning like crazy – that, or your Mac will simply freeze. This is because Macs can’t handle multi-tasking very well (although the issue has been improving, according to some). What hasn’t been improving though is the increasing amount of viruses being found on Macs. Sure, we could play the word game and clarify the difference between trojans and viruses, but the point is that Macs are no safer than any other computer, especially since they ship with their firewall turned off.

8. Software and hardware options for Mac are lame, or slim at best. This is not an overstatement. I am the first to admit that the iTunes/iPod combination is pretty tight (with AAC disabled!). But that’s about it. Mac Mail, iPhoto, GarageBand, iChat, Quicktime, and the rest of the bundled Mac software mostly just sucks, or is extremely limited in what it can do. Luckily some programs like VLC and CuteFTP have recently started to offer Mac versions of their software, but good luck trying to find Mac versions of most popular freeware. Not only that, but their claim that “no hunting for drivers is needed” is only true because barely any hardware is made for Macs! For example, only the Airport Extreme card works with Macs but other PCI cards will not. Thus, if someone needed 802.11a, they would need to buy a (very) costly Ethernet adapter.

9. Gaming, and graphics in general, suck on Macs. All true gamers already know this, so it really doesn’t require much explanation. Let’s just say that GizModo’s latest checkconfirmed that this is still true, even on the most expensive graphics card that MacBook Pro currently offers.

10. Macs are not flexible or customizable. This is a vague way to end things, but mostly because its the only way to sum up all the things that are wrong with Macs. We’ve already seen that you can’t customize their hardware or software, and that you can’t even use the Linux functions that *should* be present on any Linux distro. But even within Mac’s little world itself, you can barely change any options on their OS, user interface, The Dock, directory layout, etc. But hey, as long as the only thing you want to do is change your desktop wallpaper to be the photo you took at the latest indie rock show you attended, then by all means, buy a Mac.

For being so “progressive” Apple sure does seem like one stubborn-ass company. Oh, and please note that hating Macs doesn’t make you a Windows fanboy. It just makes you a reasonable person. =)

 

get shit on apple fans

Your Mac seems worse than the ones I was using when I was going to school (they were running OSX leopard at that time-and I liked them because they ran a lot better than my (even then) old laptop+desktop).