AMD Confirms Delay of R9 Fury X2/Gemini to 2016 for Better Alignment with VR Market

[PlayStation 2]

Well, Pascal is on 16nm and Maxwell is on 28nm. Just due to the fact there will be way more transistors plus the HBM2, yes, there is a good chance that Pascal will be nearly 200% faster (closer to 150%).

why does this affect gpus more than cpus

[Enderman]

Just because you have space doesn't mean it's necessary.

The "spend less on something that performs better" argument doesn't make any sense. Spend $1.2K on a 980ti SLI? Spend $700 on a 970 SLI? You can't spend less and get more raw power than a 295X2.

 

The Titan Z is also a Kepler GPU, Kepler is on it's way out. A 970 already beats a 780ti.

so you're arguing that the 970 is better than a 780ti, and 780ti SLI performs about the same as 290x SLI, which is the same as a 295x2

 

then you're saying you need 980ti SLI to beat the 295x2?

 

who taught you how to do math???

 

 

 

also the 295x2 is pretty much not available anywhere, even though you can buy them used for $1000

but most people dont enjoy having an induction heater in their room

[Enderman]

I'm sure he would.

But you don't have a point. It still edges out a $1500 more expensive GPU (at both of their launch MSRPs). At $649 it fucking slaughters a 980 Ti.

yes i gets its the most powerful single card

the point is it doesn't sell well

 

and why would it

it only appeals to a very small group of people

 

and the fury X2 will be the same

only the small group of people with SFF PCs who have $1500 to spend will actually buy one...

[Kobathor]

so you're arguing that the 970 is better than a 780ti, and 780ti SLI performs about the same as 290x SLI, which is the same as a 295x2

 

then you're saying you need 980ti SLI to beat the 295x2?

 

who taught you how to do math???

 

 

 

also the 295x2 is pretty much not available anywhere, even though you can buy them used for $1000

but most people dont enjoy having an induction heater in their room

hahaahha induction heater

look at temps. It's water cooled. Linus did a video on it and why he likes it. It puts off a ton of heat out of the case, but so does a Titan X SLI (like JayzTwoCents Skunkworks.)

 

Yes, because a 780ti SLI is a 980ti SLI. Reading your post makes me feel dumber.

[PlayStation 2]

yes i gets its the most powerful single card

the point is it doesn't sell well

 

and why would it

it only appeals to a very small group of people

 

and the fury X2 will be the same

only the small group of people with SFF PCs who have $1500 to spend will actually buy one...

So the Titan Z is exempt from the "doesn't sell well because it's a dual GPU card" excuse, huh?

[Enderman]

So the Titan Z is exempt from the "doesn't sell well because it's a dual GPU card" excuse, huh?

when did i say that

of course it doest sell well because there is stuff cheaper that has newer features, uses less power, runs cooler, and performs better

[PlayStation 2]

when did i say that

of course it doest sell well because there is stuff cheaper that has newer features, uses less power, runs cooler, and performs better

Dual-GPU cards typically don't sell well for a variety of reasons, the best of them being heat and the power reasons.

Granted, the 295x2 might be one of the coolest running dual-GPU cards, but eh

[Enderman]

 

Dual-GPU cards typically don't sell well for a variety of reasons, the best of them being heat and the power reasons.

Granted, the 295x2 might be one of the coolest running dual-GPU cards, but eh

 

hahaahha induction heater

look at temps. It's water cooled. Linus did a video on it and why he likes it.

 

Yes, because a 780ti SLI is a 980ti SLI. Reading your post makes me feel dumber.

 

 

i hope you you realize that temps =/= heat...

temps has nothing to do with heat output

heat is measured in joules or watts, and it is the same whether your CPU is at -200C or at 5000C

 

it's still pumping out 600W+ of heat into the surrounding air, and liquid cooling just speeds up that process

liquid cooling does not magically make heat disappear

it just moves it to the air faster

[PlayStation 2]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i hope you you realize that temps =/= heat...

temps has nothing to do with heat output

heat is measured in joules or watts, and it is the same whether your CPU is at -200C or at 5000C

 

it's still pumping out 600W+ of heat into the surrounding air, and liquid cooling just speeds up that process

liquid cooling does not magically make heat disappear

it just moves it to the air faster

 

I know temperature doesn't equal heat. Temperature and heat have a link though. Say a laptop running at idle vs. at full load.

[zMeul]

its just two fury Xs

reading the article, it's more like two Fury Nanos 

As a reminder, Gemini Fiji, code name of the graphics card to be called R9 Fury X2 is a dual GPU version of the Radeon R9 family Fury why we expect that it corresponds approximately to a double Radeon R9 Nano.

[Enderman]

reading the article, it's more like two Fury Nanos 

yeah, so even worse than two fury Xs...

and definitely worse than the next pascal flagship which would be released half a year later

[Kobathor]

 

 

 

 

 

 

i hope you you realize that temps =/= heat...

temps has nothing to do with heat output

heat is measured in joules or watts, and it is the same whether your CPU is at -200C or at 5000C

 

it's still pumping out 600W+ of heat into the surrounding air, and liquid cooling just speeds up that process

liquid cooling does not magically make heat disappear

it just moves it to the air faster

 

So.. Because it produces heat, there's no reason why you should own it?

You should tell that to JayzTwoCentz with his SLI Titan X build (skunkworks.) It's watercooled, and spits all the CPU and GPU heat straight into his room. Guess he shouldn't do that setup, because "people don't want all that heat in their room."

[Enderman]

So.. Because it produces heat, there's no reason why you should own it?

You should tell that to JayzTwoCentz with his SLI Titan X build (skunkworks.) It's watercooled, and spits all the CPU and GPU heat straight into his room. Guess he shouldn't do that setup, because "people don't want all that heat in their room."

1) you need to learn to read without making assumptions

i never said people should not buy it because it produces heat...wtf...where did you get that shit from

 

2) if you read with your eyes instead of your feet, you will notice that I'm talking about REASONS why MOST PEOPLE buy other graphics cards

and yes, its a fact that the 295x2 is a niche product and does not sell very well

 

3) heat was ONE out of SEVERAL points i mentioned

not because it produces heat, but because it produces UNNECESSARY heat

 

4) titan X SLI performs better and produces less heat, and since j2c is not limited to one GPU he went with a better option

make sense?

 

5) why have twice as much heat than other options?

 

6) why am i even arguing with an AMD fanboy? of course someone like you won't understand why most people dont buy dual GPU cards, I'll just stop arguing with a brick wall now.

[patrickjp93]

Pascal is not around the corner. More like Q4 2016.

The Fury X2 will still be a beast after Pascal. After all, Pascal isn't some kind of magic GPU architecture that will be 200% faster than Maxwell.

Pascal is Q2 2016. The HPC clients are already being sampled. Miami has KNL, AI, and Pascal samples already since we're looking at replacing our entire cluster.

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And actually Pascal is 1000% the performance of Maxwell. CEO Jen Hsun Huang already said 10x performance gains.

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[Kobathor]

-snip-

Yes, because a Titan X SLI uses 300W.

 

It's not unnecessary heat.. It's called "the GPU is turned on." It produces as much heat (less sometimes) than two R9 290's. Because that's what it is.

 

I still don't know what your argument is. Is it that the R9 295X2 is bad? Is it the Fury X2 is bad?

 

And we have no idea how powerful Pascal will be. Again, it's not gonna be a 200% boost in performance over Maxwell. So, if it's a normal amount of processing power increase (let's say from Kepler to Maxwell) then the R9 Fury X2 will still beat the Titan X of Pascal (unless it's a dual GPU card, which I highly doubt.) Just because we know it's on a 16nm architecture, doesn't mean it's magically gonna be insanely powerful (look at how CPU's scale.)

[Enderman]

Yes, because a Titan X SLI uses 300W.

 

It's not unnecessary heat.. It's called "the GPU is turned on." It produces as much heat (less sometimes) than two R9 290's. Because that's what it is.

 

I still don't know what your argument is. Is it that the R9 295X2 is bad? Is it the Fury X2 is bad?

 

And we have no idea how powerful Pascal will be. Again, it's not gonna be a 200% boost in performance over Maxwell. So, if it's a normal amount of processing power increase (let's say from Kepler to Maxwell) then the R9 Fury X2 will still beat the Titan X of Pascal (unless it's a dual GPU card, which I highly doubt.) Just because we know it's on a 16nm architecture, doesn't mean it's magically gonna be insanely powerful (look at how CPU's scale.)

you've derailed this thread so far even YOU dont remember what the topic was

LOL

 

1) titan X = 250W TDP

290X = 290W

titan X SLI = less heat + more performance than 295x2

 

 

2) the ENTIRE POINT of this is that dual GPU cards sell very little because of their niche market, and delaying the fury X2 is hurting the sales because most people will be looking forward to the next AMD/nvidia GPU generation rather than "oh most powerful graphics card in the world for $1500 for the next year hurr durr"

 

so by waiting an extra 6 months for "better alignment with VR" they are going to be selling even fewer than they already would releasing it now

or maybe they're just using that an excuse instead of saying that its not ready yet

[Megahurt]

Maybe they didn't want to put out another product that could potentially affected by the CoolerMaster/Asetek thing.

[VagabondWraith]

Where was is stated Pascal would be q3-q4 2016? If nVidia has confirmed this somewhere I'd like to read it. TIA.

[ivan134]

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Dont cut yourself on that edge.

[Coaxialgamer]

exactly

so the fury X2 will already be outdated within half a year of release

Not really, look at the 295x2. Its old. More powerful and efficient single gpus have been released. But it is still relevant.

[SurvivorNVL]

Pascal is Q2 2016. The HPC clients are already being sampled. Miami has KNL, AI, and Pascal samples already since we're looking at replacing our entire cluster.

<s>

And actually Pascal is 1000% the performance of Maxwell. CEO Jen Hsun Huang already said 10x performance gains.

</s>

What do they seem to be leaning towards in terms of the cluster replacement, if you can share?  I am sure the testing is still early, but I am very curious.

[SteveGrabowski0]

Dont cut yourself on that edge.

 

I would do it, but that power consumption.

[Spongy141]

What is the percentage of people who actually use VR right now, it better be damn high or AMD is just being stupid right now.

[CommandMan7]

why does this affect gpus more than cpus

Because for CPU's they add bigger iGPU's and make the chip smaller overall rather than increasing the CPU size. On most CPU's nowadays, the actual CPU takes up only a small portion of the die compared to iGPU, cache, and all the I/O. For GPU's however, the full die is for GPU.

[Mr_Troll]

pascal and artic islands will come out in late Q2 or early Q3 ... august/september.... so they have a chance to sell some cards.... do you remember the 295x2? .... every one said its going to fail badly... and it still does well even now... performance on par if not faster than the titan X... so dont underestimate dual gpu cards...