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[App4that]

The difference between nazis and the US and Jews and Muslims is the fact that Jews didn't have terrorist claiming to be Jews, and the the nazis pushed a genocidal ideology to achieve for a perfect race; and for land expansion. The US is not in the business of land expansion, and while we can agree that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, there is the large percentage who remain extreme and act in accordance to what we define as terrorism. That is why we cannot accept undocumented Muslims, that is why we must eradicate the infection. What is the easiest way to get rid of an infection? Cut it off. Sometimes you take healthy living flesh when you do this but you save the world from self destruction.

There are Americans claiming to be terrorist, Christian Americans in fact. And if you're not suggesting we close our boarders to refugees, what does "cut it off" mean? Further violence? Because that's how we got into this position in the first place.

[SansVarnic]

Have you seen his record as president? History will not shine favorably on you my friend.

I have and it sucks.

 

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The US is not a democracy for one, it is not a socialist country either secondly.

Obama has not done one thing to help in any manner to speak of. If you want to use social programs as example of things he has done good luck there, Johnson, Nixon and Carter are not known as a good Presidents either. Not to mention the national debt. He tries to do things outside his ability (meaning he as President has limits by Law). I don't think I need to continue.

Edited December 9, 2015 by SansVarnic

[App4that]

I have and it sucks.

:lol: Riiiight.

[Jaybird]

There are Americans claiming to be terrorist, Christian Americans in fact. And if you're not suggesting we close our boarders to refugees, what does "cut it off" mean? Further violence? Because that's how we got into this position in the first place.

maybe you should educate yourself with the word "undocumented". you seem to be lacking in your english. 

[Sauron]

He wants to stop illegal immigrants from flooding this country with their anchor babies leeching off of our welfare systems. How is that racist? 

 

And how exactly does he plan on doing that? It's easy to say it, it's not as easy to do it. Also, a little compassion from a country of almost purely immigrants and descendants of immigrants couldn't hurt.

[Xenift]

The difference between nazis and the US and Jews and Muslims is the fact that Jews didn't have terrorist claiming to be Jews, and the the nazis pushed a genocidal ideology to achieve for a perfect race; and for land expansion. The US is not in the business of land expansion, and while we can agree that the majority of Muslims are peaceful, there is the large percentage who remain extreme and act in accordance to what we define as terrorism. That is why we cannot accept undocumented Muslims, that is why we must eradicate the infection. What is the easiest way to get rid of an infection? Cut it off. Sometimes you take healthy living flesh when you do this but you save the world from self destruction.

I have this bad feeling that doing this is what the terrorists wanted.

Also undocumented? How do you define undocumented. They would just sneak in with another one of those fake passports

[App4that]

maybe you should educate yourself with the word "undocumented". you seem to be lacking in your english. 

:lol: That didn't take long, I had you pegged for a 8 posts before resorting to insults kind of person.

 

Documentation has a historic and well earned connotation. Germany has the right idea by making them safe, and then sorting things out.

[SansVarnic]

:lol: Riiiight.

I sure hope you have a better argument than that.

[App4that]

I sure hope you have a better argument than that.

Should I argue? You're not using logic, a healthy debate relies on logic. Obama's presidential record is public knowledge. So I could go on a long winded retort on the many things that have improved over his presidency, but this isn't about me, Obama, or our country. It's about you, and your biases. I have no interest in attempting to tackle your biases.

[Jaybird]

:lol: That didn't take long, I had you pegged for a 8 posts before resorting to insults kind of person.

 

Documentation has a historic and well earned connotation. Germany has the right idea by making them safe, and then sorting things out.

that could be a significant downfall for germany. the risk of another pairs greatly increases. 

 

 

 

ultimately, sitting this one out might be a better option for America. its not our side of the world and its not our continent. 

[App4that]

that could be a significant downfall for germany. the risk of another pairs greatly increases. 

True, worked out great for the native Americans huh?

 

But the best way to convert a Vegan is a friendly BBQ and bacon. Not hate.

[SansVarnic]

Should I argue? You're not using logic, a healthy debate relies on logic. Obama's presidential record is public knowledge. So I could go on a long winded retort on the many things that have improved over his presidency, but this isn't about me, Obama, or our country. It's about you, and your biases. I have no interest in attempting to tackle your biases.

I prefer you debate and present your argument.

My only bias is how this country was designed to run.

[Jaybird]

True, worked out great for the native Americans huh?

 

But the best way to convert a Vegan is a friendly BBQ and bacon. Not hate.

like i said, peaceful is a better resolution but id rather not sit idly and watch countries burn.

[App4that]

I prefer you debate and present your argument.

My only bias is how this country was designed to run.

What's your level of education on how this country was designed to run? Our constitution has lasted longer than any other because it is framework, not stone. Our president has done the job we elected him to perform, and managed to leave things better than they were when he gained office. This partisan bull shit that threatens everything our country was founded to be is not because we elected a Democrat, it's the exact same mentality that created ISIS. The all or nothing extremist ideology. To the trained observer there's no telling the two apart. A gun, a religious book, and a flag.

[App4that]

like i said, peaceful is a better resolution but id rather not sit idly and watch countries burn.

Problem is we started the fire. Well to be fair we fed the flames would be more accurate.

[Jaybird]

Problem is we started the fire. Well to be fair we fed the flames would be more accurate.

I dont think the US started this one. I know the muslims have been fighting long before the existance of america. some how I doubt us hunting for WMD and taking out the worlds most wanted leaders would have started this fire. 

[stconquest]

Just to clarify:  16 million is one percent of 1.6 billion, not 160 million.  I don't think it is right to run around saying 160 million muslims are terrorists.  These numbers are based off of nothing BTW... just saying.

[Mbarton]

I kinda wish this thread was never started its created allot of arguments and i feel like a few people here are just trolling. but its off topic so what can you do.

[App4that]

I dont think the US started this one. I know the muslims have been fighting long before the existance of america. some how I doubt us hunting for WMD and taking out the worlds most wanted leaders would have started this fire. 

The Christians have a fine history of conflict themselves. Religion is just a means of validating violence.

 

We are way past the hunt for WMD's being a reason we entered the middle east. Let's keep this a serious discussion.

[ALwin]

I like Trump a lot less than I like diarrhea.

[SansVarnic]

What's your level of education on how this country was designed to run? Our constitution has lasted longer than any other because it is framework, not stone. Our president has done the job we elected him to perform, and managed to leave things better than they were when he gained office. This partisan bull shit that threatens everything our country was founded to be is not because we elected a Democrat, it's the exact same mentality that created ISIS. The all or nothing extremist ideology. To the trained observer there's no telling the two apart. A gun, a religious book, and a flag.

 

Level of education. Hmm. I have studied the US constitution for sometime now. I have quite the understanding about what it is, what it says and the history on how it was written, and the designers intent.

So I consider myself fairly well educated. I also served for 12 years up til a year ago so I have some extra insight on how some thing are.

I think you need to hop down off you high horse for a moment and have a civilized conversation. You are being very defensive here. Take a moment to see where exactly I stand and why before making the remarks you have so far. As far I see it you don't know where you stand. You defend the current POTUS and his actions and then you make remarks about the constitution. If you rally know the history of and the contents of the Constitution then you would not defend the POTUS actions. (For the record, before you mention it, I am not taking sides, I am sticking to facts.)

[App4that]

Level of education. Hmm. I have studied the US constitution for sometime now. I have quite the understanding about what it is, what it says and the history on how it was written, and the designers intent.

So I consider myself fairly well educated. I also served for 12 years up til a year ago so I have some extra insight on how some thing are.

I think you need to hop down off you high horse for a moment and have a civilized conversation. You are being very defensive here. Take a moment to see where exactly I stand and why before making the remarks you have so far. As far I see it you don't know where you stand. You defend the current POTUS and his actions and then you make remarks about the constitution. If you rally know the history of and the contents of the Constitution then you would not defend the POTUS actions. (For the record, before you mention it, I am not taking sides, I am sticking to facts.)

I admit to being bias myself when it comes to what I see as extreme right wing statements. I asked your level of education not to judge, but to have an understanding as to who I was speaking with. Please tell me where, when, or how our president has violated the constitution, but expect to be corrected.

[SansVarnic]

I dont think the US started this one. I know the muslims have been fighting long before the existance of america. some how I doubt us hunting for WMD and taking out the worlds most wanted leaders would have started this fire. 

 

The first encounter the US had with Muslim's as a country was in 1801 with the Muslim warship Tripoli. This encounter occurred because Muslim pirates were raiding American trading ships at the time and the USS Enterprise was the ship to face off with the Tripoli.

[stconquest]

Personally, the berating of the current US president because he is a democrat is ridiculous.  Obama has some deep black marks on his record as president, but also has gold stars for attempts to better the nation he governs over.  The effort to make life better for US citizens is ignored a lot of the time, and his truly egregious actions are often set aside in order to promote an anti-democrat agenda. 

 

Anyways, he is a sincere president that has made some bad decisions (really bad ones)... but god damnit you idiots... George W. Bush was his predecessor, holy fuck.  That fucker was dumb as shit and did not give a flying fuck about any of you.

[SansVarnic]

I admit to being bias myself when it comes to what I see as extreme right wing statements. I asked your level of education not to judge, but to have an understanding as to who I was speaking with. Please tell me where, when, or how our president has violated the constitution, but expect to be corrected.

I can accept that, but in the future you should be wary how you speak to people with a difference of opinion to yours.Your attitude towards me was unwarranted.

I have a long fuse and had all the right reasons not to engage with you but I will anyhow. Give me sometime to put together my argument for you and I'll post.

(I have to leave my desk for a while,its a job thing so I will have get back to this later.)