Windows 10 upgrades to happen automatically

[Bensemus]

"They don't care about privacy, but they say they do because it's the "cool" thing to do."

Then why say this. It belittles everyone who is disagreeing with you. It's not engaging in a debate of reason. You are accusing them of being sheep.

[SmittyShmee]

So are you saying the people that have issues are the ones who only do the upgrade? Or do the issues come from doing the clean install? I'm looking at upgrading to Win10 this weekend, but if there's going to be tons of problems then I'm not sure about it....

 

I've always treated upgrade time as a time to clean up the system. Backup your stuff (at the very least), terf everything, clean install old OS, upgrade to new.

Why would you build your new building on a crappy foundation?

[Jade]

I have to disagree with you on that. I installed many linux distro on many PC and none of them had driver problems... (Aside from my PC, linux mint didnt liked the enabled IGP beside a video card... )

Nothing to disagree with, really. Linux driver support is great, if you use a hardware from small, specific groups. When you're there for gaming, though, support in general is trash. Otherwise, you'll either to to spend a lot of time tweaking to make it work. I don't have problems with Linux itself; all my servers run it (and I love it), but it's still not great for desktop usage, imo.

see: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/11/ars-benchmarks-show-significant-performance-hit-for-steamos-gaming/

[Delicieuxz]

They don't read them. Also, I'm like 99.99% sure they do NOTHING with emails outside their own service (that would be very illegal). And emails though their own services aren't read by them. If anything they just look at how many you sent.

MS claim in their ToS to use the content of emails and documents. Content means the actual readable, legible information. And the only thing keeping MS from using people's contents in any way is their own discretion, which may or may not exist, and judging by known MS decisions isn't there to a healthy degree.

 

And the claim of user anonymity is mostly just PR, because each Windows installation has an anonymous user ID, which itself is associated with a particular installation, and therefore isn't anonymous at all, if MS ever wants to match collected data to a PC. Therefore, the PR claim of it being anonymous is again an example that MS discretion doesn't exist to the level that the public expects and is largely assuming it to.

[Bensemus]

Sure you can. Use Linux if virtually unreadable and useless statistics are a problem.

I could go to linux but I currently like W7. Now I have extra work from MS to keep my computer running the OS I bought and installed.

[raphidy]

I have to disagree with you on that. I installed many linux distro on many PC and none of them had driver problems... (Aside from my PC, linux mint didnt liked the enabled IGP beside a video card... )

Fedora and mint didn't like AMD and NVidia mix in my pc, Ubuntu does not see a problem though.

[Jade]

MS claim in their ToS to use the content of emails and documents. Content means the actual readable, legible information. And the only thing keeping MS from using people's contents in any way is their own discretion, which may or may not exist, and judging by known MS decisions isn't there to a healthy degree.

 

And the claim of user anonymity is mostly PR, because each Windows installation has an anonymous user ID, which itself is associated with a particular installation, and therefore isn't anonymous at all, if MS ever wants to match collected data to a PC.

Pretty sure the reading through stuff was debunked to "only if you use their email/cloud storage services".

[christianled59]

Then why say this. It belittles everyone who is disagreeing with you. It's not engaging in a debate of reason. You are accusing them of being sheep.

Well if they are doing that then they are sheep. Doing it because it's the "cool" thing.

[Delicieuxz]

Pretty sure the reading through stuff was debunked to "only if you use their email/cloud storage services".

Things which pass through MS servers are scanned, and the contents used per the discretion of MS. But if a person has Cortana features enabled, then every keystroke is logged.

 

Also, I don't see reason to trust MS statements on what the extent of data reporting to MS servers is. I expect it's a lot more prevalent than MS publicly acknowledge. So many other things MS say have been found to be lies, and beyond their claims, and so many liberties have been taken by MS in forcing their Windows 10 and telemetry software upon people. And MS have a history of being a ruthless corporation.

 

If companies were to be judged by their known characters, then MS would be a less trustworthy company.

[freddiecannon330]

As far my personal opinion i didnt like the windows 10 ill wait few months more to get it rock solid.

[Bensemus]

Well if they are doing that then they are sheep. Doing it because it's the "cool" thing.

Except all we have is you calling it the "cool" thing. No actual data of any kind. People have every right to want less tracking. Even if they are doing nothing illegal they can want less tracking.

[Jade]

Except all we have is you calling it the "cool" thing. No actual data of any kind. People have every right to want less tracking. Even if they are doing nothing illegal they can want less tracking.

He (christianled) has a point. When there's fear mongering videos and article stuff about it, it's kinda a sheep thing to do. a-la Tek Syndicate's video about it.

 

Edit, hoping you don't respond before my edit: There's nothing wrong with a desire for privacy, but people who are blocking it just because everyone else does (when frankly it doesn't bother you) is the sheep part of things.

[SteveGrabowski0]

People need to stop with the privacy bullshit. No, microsoft doesn't care that you watch midget amputee donkey porn. Get over yourself.

 

It's not about that for everyone. It's about Windows 7 working great for me right now and me having no reason to upgrade. I prefer running a mature operating system versus something that's only a few months old and still needs some bugs worked out. Windows 10 has some things I'm looking forward to like the obvious DX12 as well as having multiple switchable desktops (how was this not in earlier Windows?). But until DX12 games I want to play start coming out there is no compelling reason for me to switch other than the money.

[Exotath]

Win 10 on 4 different machines, no issues. *shrug*

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[DevilishBooster]

I used the upgrade feature and had no problems. Although a few people have had problems. Clean install is always best with every OS.

Yeah, I know. I just wanted to make sure there weren't big issues even after a clean install.

 

I've always treated upgrade time as a time to clean up the system. Backup your stuff (at the very least), terf everything, clean install old OS, upgrade to new.

Why would you build your new building on a crappy foundation?

Yeah, that's all par for the course. It ain't my first rodeo, but like I said above, I just wanted to make sure there weren't known issues even after a clean install.

[SmittyShmee]

When there's fear mongering videos and article stuff about it, it's kinda a sheep thing to do. a-la Tek Syndicate's video about it.

 

Part of the reason I subscribe to LTT and TS as well as read other sources beyond them. Make an informed decision for yourself.

[suicidalfranco]

Do you opt out of those services? If you truely cared about those "private" statistics, then you would. I agree you should be able to opt out of microsofts services, but most people here are doing it to spite microsoft. They don't care about privacy, but they say they do because it's the "cool" thing to do.

AH!

 

And i'm supposed to be the tinfoil hat one

[GoodBytes]

Yuck. It seems like Microsoft just keeps getting shadier; forced updates are never okay, especially when they incur such major changes to the PC you're using. People -- including the ones who don't pay attention to the updates they're installing -- should be able to choose if they want to keep their current OS or change to an entirely new one.

I don't know why but I can't find my news post, but I recall reporting on Microsoft pushing Windows 10. It wont' actually force the update on you, from my understanding. But a panel will show up like if you reserved your copy of Windows 10 already, and give you the option to do it later or now.

[SmittyShmee]

Yeah, that's all par for the course. It ain't my first rodeo, but like I said above, I just wanted to make sure there weren't known issues even after a clean install.

 

The only issue I had when I clean installed my spouse's lappy and upgraded to Windows 10 was the weird Lenovo-based touchpad drivers. After upgrading to 10, there was this weird issue where it would be constantly clicking so we couldn't fullscreen YouTube or Netflix videos and the system's memory would be 25% consumed by the touchpad's driver.

Oh and her printer stopped working... but printer drivers generally suck no matter what OS you use (fortunately I fixed that for her last night).

[Bensemus]

He (christianled) has a point. When there's fear mongering videos and article stuff about it, it's kinda a sheep thing to do. a-la Tek Syndicate's video about it.

 

Edit, hoping you don't respond before my edit: There's nothing wrong with a desire for privacy, but people who are blocking it just because everyone else does (when frankly it doesn't bother you) is the sheep part of things.

I agree that there are sheep in everything but the people in this thread most likely understand what they are doing so with regards to this tread its pointless.

[patrick3027]

So I need to disable updates until August 2016?

 

That sucks ...

[asim1999]

Who the hell updates windows 7 if they have it? I sure as hell don't, except to fix security holes.

Well with their latest update, boot speed has increased by 30%. I have noticed a big jump in boot speed even though i am running flagship hardware. You can alway edit privacy using Settings or even dive a little deeper using the Group Policies. 

Also, no UEFI support in Windows 7, so 10 is more future-proof 

[LAwLz]

Also, no UEFI support in Windows 7, so 10 is more future-proof 

False. Windows 7 supports UEFI as well.

[Michael McAllister]

I don't know why but I can't find my news post, but I recall reporting on Microsoft pushing Windows 10. It wont' actually force the update on you, from my understanding. But a panel will show up like if you reserved your copy of Windows 10 already, and give you the option to do it later or now.

 

It should be noted that the upgrade to Windows 10 can be deferred even with automatic updates enabled.  On professional versions, OS upgrades can be disabled through a Group Policy change or registry change in Premium.  If you have a professional version, using the Group Policy editor is always the safest option.  Given the complexity of the registry, it should only be changed manually when absolutely necessary.