Windows 10 upgrades to happen automatically

[Dabombinable]

Used Windows 10 for a month. Its shit and does not warrant upgrading to over Windows 7 and 8.1. So they can piss off.

[winningsince1337]

They're still forcing an entire broken ass OS on you.

Works just fine fore me and everyone I know lol

[Albatross]

Title is misleading. People have a choice. No rapture of Win7/8 is coming.

 

People need to stop with the privacy bullshit. No, microsoft doesn't care that you watch midget amputee donkey porn. Get over yourself.

 

People need to stop with this stupid ass argument. Stop thinking your lack of concern for people's privacy > their rights and concerns.

[peanutsrevenge]

People need to stop with the privacy bullshit. No, microsoft doesn't care that you watch midget amputee donkey porn. Get over yourself.

 

It's not about protecting our privacy right now, it's about protecting our privacy for those who currently need that privacy.

Activists, protesters, journalists, businesses and possibly YOU in a few years when finally policy has affected you directly in a way that's given you something you'll stand up and shout about. When that time comes and before you've finished typing out a letter to your representative, you're carted off as an economic terrorist, or you have an ingenous business idea and your communications with others to set the business up are leaked to the internet because M$ was storing everyone's information, they got hacked and all information leaked to the net, you'll only have yourself and those like you to blame, 

[GoodBytes]

False. Windows 7 supports UEFI as well.

Not fully, and very iffy.

[GoodBytes]

Used Windows 10 for a month. Its shit and does not warrant upgrading to over Windows 7 and 8.1. So they can piss off.

Try again.

[Dabombinable]

Try again.

What? It is shit, its more restricted than any previous versions of Windows, a lot of the driver fixes that I've been using since Windows 95 no longer work, the start menu is there just like 8.1 yes, but its still not as good as it used to be, nearly all of the features that were "added" have better iterations in the programs that were needed for previous versions of Windows. The only advantage of Windows 10 over 7 and 8.1 is the way it handles multiple screens.

[Nowak]

What? It is shit, its more restricted than any previous versions of Windows, a lot of the driver fixes that I've been using since Windows 95 no longer work, the start menu is there just like 8.1 yes, but its still not as good as it used to be, nearly all of the features that were "added" have better iterations in the programs that were needed for previous versions of Windows. The only advantage of Windows 10 over 7 and 8.1 is the way it handles multiple screens.

Have you tried build 10586, aka the build that should have been the RTM release? Fixes a lot of the glitches and other shit in Windows 10.

[GoodBytes]

What? It is shit, its more restricted than any previous versions of Windows, a lot of the driver fixes that I've been using since Windows 95 no longer work, the start menu is there just like 8.1 yes, but its still not as good as it used to be, nearly all of the features that were "added" have better iterations in the programs that were needed for previous versions of Windows. The only advantage of Windows 10 over 7 and 8.1 is the way it handles multiple screens.

So then it is fine, you just don't like the look of it.

[Quincy15]

People need to stop with the privacy bullshit. No, microsoft doesn't care that you watch midget amputee donkey porn. Get over yourself.

Sure let microsoft (and everyone who they share the info with) know that you like donkey porn if you like.

 

Not me

[Dabombinable]

So then it is fine, you just don't like the look of it.

No its not fine:

its more restricted than any previous versions of Windows, a lot of the driver fixes that I've been using since Windows 95 no longer work, the start menu is there just like 8.1 yes, but its still not as good as it used to be, nearly all of the features that were "added" have better iterations in the programs that were needed for previous versions of Windows.

 

That's not UI related (well the start menu is-but its still missing functionality from previous iterations).

 

Have you tried build 10586, aka the build that should have been the RTM release? Fixes a lot of the glitches and other shit in Windows 10.

I reverted back to Windows 7 a week or so ago.

[LAwLz]

Not fully, and very iffy.

Please elaborate.

[BloodySinner]

They're still forcing an entire broken ass OS on you.

 

It's perfectly functional and much faster than the previous iteration of Windows. Stop trolling.

[GoodBytes]

Please elaborate.

Windows 7 doesn't fully support UEFI system. They are many systems you can't get UEFI to work on it with Windows 7. (critical hardware BSOD error at startup happens or gets stuck), while no problem under Windows 8 and up.

Also, Windows 7 does not support UEFI Fast Boot, not Secure Boot.

[GoodBytes]

No its not fine:

its more restricted than any previous versions of Windows, a lot of the driver fixes that I've been using since Windows 95 no longer work, the start menu is there just like 8.1 yes, but its still not as good as it used to be, nearly all of the features that were "added" have better iterations in the programs that were needed for previous versions of Windows.

 

That's not UI related (well the start menu is-but its still missing functionality from previous iterations).

 

Explain yourself.

I reverted back to Windows 7 a week or so ago.

So then you did not try it.

[Dabombinable]

 

Explain yourself.

So then you did not try it.

I did, I tried it for a month as I'm the only one in my entire family with decent internet. And what the hell do you mean by "try again" and "explain yourself".

[SansVarnic]

Let me take a stab at this. (@GoodBytes let me know if I overstep  )

 

WIn10 does some minor reporting and don't read between the lines here. And don't believe everything you read, it is the internet people...

I have been involved in the preview since Oct 2014 so I have some knowledge on what I speak too here.

 

Windows 10 monitors mostly the same thing that Google and iOS does. Win10 does not log any personal info with exception to location of use and sites visited for the SOLE purpose that a server filters the information for general advertising, improved search function, location specific ads, speech recognition and few other things. Human eyes ONLY sees the demographic results of the combined information received. About 60% or so of the information forwarded on the MS is operational information for improved services and OS development, debugging, error reporting and so on, so forth.

 

There is a lot of mis-information and conjecture out there about what Win-10 does. MS has been up front about all this during the development of Win10 and the only reason people are giving a hoot is because they are now realizing this is happening. I do recall that in another thread I pointed out that Both Google and Apple did this on their OS's without telling anyone they were going to do it before hand. Google and Apple was taken to court to and was forced to go public about the practice. (no I won't link it right now - look it up, it has been linked before).

 

For the Upgrade stuff this is a bit underhanded for MS to do. And yes it is a work around for one right to chose, BUT those who have the know how can prevent it from happening.

The auto update to Win 10 is designed for those that want to but do not know how to. I cannot tell how many time I have been asked, how many time I have seen on this forum alone on how to upgrade. MS gets thousands of calls about this every day. This is a umbrella way to upgrade for those that want it but do not know how or do not understand how to do the upgrade. Granted MS is being a bit pushy here but you still have the ability to deny the upgrade if you so chose to. Remember you (the user) signed a user agreement to have the software and MS has the right to "modify, change, or otherwise improve the software" as it see fit to. Nobody complained about receiving SP1 or SP2 for Vista, XP, etc..

 

As far as MS sees it the same thing applies here. It is Legal and falls within the confines of the agreement you accepted when using a Windows OS.

MS is not in anyway deleting, changing, removing, copying or any other nefarious things to your personal files. Anything going on here is happening to Windows Property and they do have the right to make changes to their software as they see fit to in order to improve (as they see) the user experience.

 

Disclaimer: I am in no way defending MS actions here but stating the fact that this is the way that it is.

If you do not like the agreement then do not use Microsoft Windows Software.

 

MS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

 

Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

[PlayStation 2]

It's perfectly functional and much faster than the previous iteration of Windows. Stop trolling.

Windows 8.1 was really good, don't know why people still hated on it.

[Dabombinable]

Windows 8.1 was really good, don't know why people still hated on it.

Its the stigma of Windows 8.

[Albatross]

Windows 10 actually is really nice. My complaints are few; privacy, the stupid search system (searches online and takes forever) and no way to fully customize the interface. Beyond that I thought it was a sound OS (or haven't yet encountered anything else that is questionable)—a rather huge improve at the very least over Windows 8, which was complete and utter trash.

 

@SansVarnic

 

Straight forward? And when, pray tell, was it argued otherwise for their user agreement? We (well, most of us) are very much aware MS can get away with their activities as long as people just sign or hit "accept"—that once you sign, you can't complain. But most of us find it a problem they can do it in the first place and that MS blatantly lied about it and continues to lie about it and the "options" to turn it off easily via the Settings Panel.

     And just because MS uses my data for "itself" doesn't make what it is doing okay (which, by the way, is very naive to accept just because they say it) or that they should have a "right" to dig through your information (I am aware you are not defending them; I am just babbling on now). Nor should the fact that Google or any other company's activities share a heavy similarity make MS' activities any less damning or concerning. None of them should be able to do what they do, but they can get away with it because so many people don't care. They don't understand or value the importance of security and privacy, and if its integrity is so much as questioned on which parts of it matters or not, we will lose it all. It isn't a matter of "if" but a matter of "when".

 

 

[SansVarnic]

Windows 8.1 was really good, don't know why people still hated on it.

Win8 was glitchy... somewhat.

Win8.1 was solid. The UI was the problem that most people did not like and it did not integrate into the desktop atmosphere very well. The biggest thing about Win8/8.1 is the drastic change, most people don't like that much change.

 

Win8 and 8.1 is essentially the stepping stone to Win10. MS had to to have something to compete in the tablet arena. Win8 was rushed and Win8.1 is the refined version.

I liked it on my tablet but was irritated with it on the desktop.

[SansVarnic]

Windows 10 actually is really nice. My complaints are few; privacy, the stupid search system (searches online and takes forever) and no way to fully customize the interface. Beyond that I thought it was a sound OS (or haven't yet encountered anything else that is questionable)—a rather huge improve at the very least over Windows 8, which was complete and utter trash.

 

@SansVarnic

 

Straight forward? And when, pray tell, was it argued otherwise for their user agreement? We (well, most of us) are very much aware MS can get away with their activities as long as people just sign or hit "accept"—that once you sign, you can't complain. But most of us find it a problem they can do it in the first place and that MS blatantly lied about it and continues to lie about it and the "options" to turn it off easily via the Settings Panel.

     And just because MS uses my data for "itself" doesn't make what it is doing okay (which, by the way, is very naive to accept just because they say it) or that they should have a "right" to dig through your information (I am aware you are not defending them; I am just babbling on now). Nor should the fact that Google or any other company's activities share a heavy similarity make MS' activities any less damning or concerning. None of them should be able to do what they do, but they can get away with it because so many people don't care. They don't understand or value the importance of security and privacy, and if its integrity is so much as questioned on which parts of it matters or not, we will lose it all. It isn't a matter of "if" but a matter of "when".

 

I guess I am just a simple minded individual...

 

I do agree it is a dig/grind to get to the settings to do what you want. I really don't like it myself but I have become content to deal with it I guess since I have been going through all the different preview versions. Honestly at the beginning it was way worse, but you pretty much wanted it turned on for ms to have to have all the reporting since it was a preview.

If I had to chose between the new and old control panels I would chose the old one, it is much more specific and user friendly, but I understand what ms is trying to do here with it and they have plans to continue improving the new one while moving thing over to it from the old one. Ms has plans to remove the old one entirely.

[Albatross]

I guess I am just a simple minded individual...

 

I do agree it is a dig/grind to get to the settings to do what you want. I really don't like it myself but I have become content to deal with it I guess since I have been going through all the different preview versions. Honestly at the beginning it was way worse, but you pretty much wanted it turned on for ms to have to have all the reporting since it was a preview.

If I had to chose between the new and old control panels I would chose the old one, it is much more specific and user friendly, but I understand what is trying to do here with it and they have plans to continue improving the new one while moving thing over to it from the old one. Ms has plans to remove the old one entirely.

 

You shouldn't "just deal with it" though. If it bothers you, you should show how much. They know most people care more about convenience than the fact that they are being spied on etc etc. Until that changes, they won't change. And they can get their feedback in other ways if it means so much to them (surveys etc). And if not and most people don't care, they could have easily really made the options easy to get to and actually disable the privacy issues for those who would rather not have their privacy violated...

[Delicieuxz]

Let me take a stab at this. (@GoodBytes let me know if I overstep  )

 

As far as MS sees it the same thing applies here. It is Legal and falls within the confines of the agreement you accepted when using a Windows OS.

MS is not in anyway deleting, changing, removing, copying or any other nefarious things to your personal files. Anything going on here is happening to Windows Property and they do have the right to make changes to their software as they see fit to in order to improve (as they see) the user experience.

 

Disclaimer: I am in no way defending MS actions here but stating the fact that this is the way that it is.

If you do not like the agreement then do not use Microsoft Windows Software.

 

MS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

 

Sounds pretty straight forward to me.

 

Rather than "it is legal", it is untested. What MS does goes a bit further than what Google does.

 

Also, the EULA is not the full story. Also read the Privacy Statement: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/

 

Part of it says:

 

Content. We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. For example, if you receive an email using Outlook.com, we need to collect the content of that email in order to deliver it to your inbox, display it to you, enable you to reply to it, and store it for you until you choose to delete it. Examples of this data include: the content of your documents, photos, music or video you upload to a Microsoft service such as OneDrive, as well as the content of your communications sent or received using Microsoft services such Outlook.com or Skype, including the:

• subject line and body of an email,
• text or other content of an instant message,
• audio and video recording of a video message, and
• audio recording and transcript of a voice message you receive or a text message you dictate.

 

 

And then also expand and read the "How we use personal data" section. MS essentially claims a carte blanche to do whatever with a person's data. There also is no assurance that data won't be used for anything beyond what MS have listed in their Privacy Statement, and the PS is simply a general concept. There is nothing in the EULA or PS that puts limitations on what MS might do with the data they collect. What MS present is the basic guarantee of how data will be used, and not the upper limit of what data might get used for.

 

So, is Windows 10 and MS data collection and usage straight-forward? Only if the direction you're looking to head in it ubiquitous and indiscriminate use of all your data by MS.

[SansVarnic]

You shouldn't "just deal with it" though. If it bothers you, you should show how much. They know most people care more about convenience than the fact that they are being spied on etc etc. Until that changes, they won't change. And they can get their feedback in other ways if it means so much to them (surveys etc). And if not and most people don't care, they could have easily really made the options easy to get to and actually disable the privacy issues for those who would rather not have their privacy violated...

 

No argument from me.

I have made my opinion made to MS about the ease of access and all that. You should see the amount of complaints about this issue on the ms suggestion thread from previewers.

The thing is (like here) if you going to complain (this to those that do) do right. Give ms a detailed 'informed' opinion of the what and why, they tend to ignore ranting opinions that offer no forethought into why it 'sucks', I know I would.